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Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by ocdtrekkie on Monday May 21, 2018 @01:37PM (#17120164)
> Specifically, Google used a bit of JavaScript code – the workaround – to bypass Safari’s default blocking of third-party cookies (set by domains other than those being visited) in order to allow sites within its DoubleClick ad network to track users.

https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2017/11/30/google-sued-over...

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by noncoml on Monday May 21, 2018 @02:32PM (#17120585)
> Specifically, Google used a bit of JavaScript code – the workaround – to bypass Safari’s default blocking of third-party cookies

IMHO this clearly breaks their "Don't be evil" principle.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by sp332 on Monday May 21, 2018 @02:36PM (#17120625)
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by 21 on Monday May 21, 2018 @04:20PM (#17121505)
"Don't be evil" is discriminatory against evil persons. As long as you don't break the law, being evil is not illegal.

They have a right as anyone else not to be discriminated against or presented in a bad light.

I applaud the courage of Google to increase diversity by appealing to and allowing evil persons in it's midst.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by sp332 on Monday May 21, 2018 @04:31PM (#17121583)
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by gervase on Monday May 21, 2018 @06:06PM (#17122264)
I applaud these steps, and I hope they include concrete plans for addressing the good-evil hiring gap in their next diversity report. Perhaps a community outreach program to get middle schoolers more interested in becoming evildoers?

Not enough companies are addressing this issue!

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by ssambros on Monday May 21, 2018 @03:32PM (#17121104)
https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct.html

"And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!

Last updated April 5, 2018"

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by mtgx on Monday May 21, 2018 @02:54PM (#17120775)
Google: "Being evil is now officially an option."
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by maxxxxx on Monday May 21, 2018 @03:28PM (#17121065)
The new principle is "Don't get caught".
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by endymi0n on Monday May 21, 2018 @05:26PM (#17121971)
Playing the devil’s advocate here: Depending on whether you think that 3rd party tracking cookies are a feature that should be opt-out or a bug that should be opt-in, it‘s just as plausible to classify this move as a fair defense against Apple, who unilaterally decided to both not allow any other browser on „their“ ecosystem (in case you don‘t know, iOS Chrome is basically just another skin on a decelerated version of Safari because that‘s all they allow) – and then generally blocking all third-party cookies in order to sabotage their competitors.

Apple‘s behaviour here is clearly the protectionism of an ecosystem monopolist that’s just as misguided, thinly disguised as privacy feature.

Some prior art was when Microsoft made the Do-Not-Track header opt-out instead of opt-in in order to get a consumer edge. The ad industry as a whole decided to ignore the flag just for IE, but there wasn‘t ever a legal case on that disregard of intended behavior IIRC.

I‘m not sure though who‘s more evil here and if this kind of circumvention was fair game or went too far.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by ams6110 on Monday May 21, 2018 @01:51PM (#17120263)
While I don't condone bypassing a users intent, I'm struggling to see the damage claim here. So some Safari users got more targeted ads than they would otherwise have seen. Does that merit financial compensation?
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by jhayward on Monday May 21, 2018 @02:39PM (#17120648)
> So some Safari users got more targeted ads than they would otherwise have seen.

So, some users had their browsing habits illegally harvested, stored, analyzed, and sold to an unknown number of parties for an unknown number of purposes, many of them adverserial in nature to the well-being of the individual. So what?

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by fixermark on Monday May 21, 2018 @03:10PM (#17120911)
It will be interesting to see how many of the items on that list the plaintiffs can prove in a court of law, as such proof would be necessary to claim of damages... Well, in US law at least, as I understand it. I'm a lot less familiar with the UK.

But even under a civil-court "preponderance of evidence" standard, wouldn't you have to prove some material harm to be eligible for damages (not just the potential of the data perhaps maybe being misused possibly)?

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by whydoineedthis on Monday May 21, 2018 @03:18PM (#17120980)
prove it. and when i say prove it - you actually need to show damage and harm done, that's what the law requires. If you can't prove a single occurrence of the "adverserial in nature to the well-being of the individual", then there is no real grounds to sue on. legally speaking.
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by jhayward on Tuesday May 22, 2018 @07:41AM (#17125194)
First of all, screw this attitude of "prove it in court". If you or your company is so sociopathic that you can't see the wrong here, well, just screw.

Second the problem statement I made above itself shows harm.

The fact that consumers have to worry about who got their private information, what was done with it, what harms happened that they aren't aware of, such as not getting a job, housing discrimination, loan discrimination, etc. is itself a harm.

That these things happen, in general, is eminently provable and that fact causes worry, anxiety, and changes in behavior which is itself a harm.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by jononor on Monday May 21, 2018 @03:27PM (#17121061)
Buying things that are not needed harms the persons economy. And gambling practically always a bad deal. Taking medicine that is not needed can be bad for the individual.
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by sli on Monday May 21, 2018 @05:31PM (#17122013)
Before you get a response about personal responsibility and all that, everyone should have the psychological side of marketing and advertising firmly in mind. People are not in complete control of their responses to advertisements.
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by fixermark on Monday May 21, 2018 @05:53PM (#17122172)
... but from a legal standpoint, personal responsibility is basically a cornerstone. We throw out a lot of legal fundamentals if we re-frame the decision to purchase a product voluntarily as "the ads mind-controlled you."

There might be some precedent in the space (cigarette ad campaigns were severely curtailed during the "Big Tobacco" crackdown in the US), but ads in general? Good luck.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by monetus on Monday May 21, 2018 @05:57PM (#17122205)
I've always thought this needs to be much more prevalent in any conversation about how ads should be used.

I assume ads targeted towards children would be a good case study.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by samb1729 on Monday May 21, 2018 @01:56PM (#17120285)
> So some Safari users got more targeted ads than they would otherwise have seen. Does that merit financial compensation?

Given that the way it occurs is by allowing Google to more accurately profile the users, I'd say yes.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by newscracker on Monday May 21, 2018 @02:00PM (#17120341)
It's more about being tracked and profiled through third party cookies than just seeing targeted ads. In my view, it merits compensation for the users and stiff penalties and punishments for the perpetrator (Google, in this case).
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by pyrale on Monday May 21, 2018 @02:06PM (#17120391)
On the other hand, does violating human rights (such as the right to privacy) deserve punitive litigation ? Yes, certainly.
Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by CaptainZapp on Monday May 21, 2018 @03:45PM (#17121206)
Compensation?

Probably not. But how about a fine? Something in the 5 - 10 Billion € range?

That may help to cool a few hot heads who think pulling off shit like that is a good idea.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by abiox on Monday May 21, 2018 @05:27PM (#17121980)
> Does that merit financial compensation?

to me, this seems like the wrong question.

in a broad sense, it makes more sense to ask how harsh the penalty should be. generally, for actions like this, the penalty is expressed as a monetary forfeiture.

whatever the penalty is, the relinquished funds have to go somewhere, and those who can demonstrate being harmed seems like a sensible destination.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by s73v3r_ on Monday May 21, 2018 @05:50PM (#17122144)
"Does that merit financial compensation?"

It merits Google being punished. And really, the only way to punish a large company is by fining them.

Re:Google sued for 'clandestine tracking' of UK iPhone users... by tzahola on Monday May 21, 2018 @03:55PM (#17121295)
Yes.