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Re:Has wine gone bad? by baxtr on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @06:14PM (#17078372)
Is this really news? That’s the same with Pepsi and Coke and many other things.

People don’t buy a drink. They buy an experience. A feeling. A story. Why do you criticize people for being human? We’re not scientists nor robots (most of us at least).

Re:Has wine gone bad? by estebank on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @07:00PM (#17078648)
When I see comments like this I wonder if some people are just as blind to some tastes as I am in sight. (EDIT: I'm not saying I've got great sense of taste/smell, I'm just guessing I'm somewhere in the bell curve with enough people to the left for this to be noticeable. I could be in 30th lower centile for all I know.)

I understand that price does not correlate to taste or even quality, but being told by people that they can't differentiate between Coke and Pepsi, different Milk brands, different cheeses or different wines is as alien to me as tritanopia.

I've had people find it very surprising that I could recognize which of the two glasses containing different wines were which, but unless you have very diminished sense of taste/smell it should be obvious as long as you have already tried both that day. (Of course, I could not have recognized what each were, had the possibilities reduced to a handful of bottles.)

The reason I'm writing this is because even though I cannot relate, I can and must acknowledge that people have different sensory experiences to myself.

Re:Has wine gone bad? by jerf on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @09:58PM (#17079427)
I have wondered how many people don't realize how important it is to literally inhale their food if they really want to taste it. I was raised so heavily on keeping my mouth closed when I eat that it wasn't until I was in adulthood that I was properly tasting food. Coke and Pepsi are night and day if you take the time to inhale their aromas and taste them, as an active verb involving deliberate effort. They're the fizzy sugary battery acid that people sometimes claim they are if you just straight-up chug them.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by bollockitis on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @06:47PM (#17078580)
Exactly. Taste is subjective. If you remove the color, the packaging, the story, and dull the flavor by chilling it, you haven't eliminated variables in some pseudo-scientific taste test, you have effectivity eliminated the taste itself. Isn't it a bit absurd to deprive people of their senses and then tell them their senses are lying?
Re:Has wine gone bad? by gowld on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @06:38PM (#17078526)
Pepsi and Coke consistently taste different from each other and same as themselves.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by baxtr on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @12:38AM (#17080043)
That’s what I thought. Go and do a blind test. Or read the papers

https://daily.jstor.org/the-coca-cola-wars-can-anybody-reall...

Re:Has wine gone bad? by drblast on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @02:30AM (#17080401)
I've done the blind test between Coke and Pepsi with a third unnamed diet soda thrown in as a red herring. I can identify each just by the smell. It's not even close.

I literally can't comprehend how blind people must be to tastes that they can't tell the difference.

I also can't comprehend how people can eat anything with vinegar in it or drink IPAs, so maybe I'm just sensitive.

Another anecdote...I know no French, but I had a French wine at a restaurant and commented it reminded me of the smell of the beach in the morning near where I grew up. A more thoroughly educated companion told me that the word Cotes (with some accent I don't know how to type) means "coast" in French, and that was in the name of the wine.

I'm the first one to call BS on elitist snobs but the people who really know wine aren't BSing.

I've found cheap wines to have a higher likelihood of tasting like vinegar Easter egg dye. After about $14 that quality is rare.

That's not to say wine at $60 a bottle is "better." My personal favorite is $18 at Costco. But being able to tell the difference is not BS.

Re:Has wine gone bad? by cs02rm0 on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @03:52AM (#17080697)
A more thoroughly educated companion told me that the word Cotes (with some accent I don't know how to type) means "coast" in French, and that was in the name of the wine.

Côtes.

The circumflex, at least in French AIUI, often means there used to be an 's' after that letter, i.e. costes which gets you a little closer to coasts (and the Spanish costas).

Re:Has wine gone bad? by namdnay on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @10:30AM (#17082675)
Your friend was nearly correct. "côtes" has several meanings, in the case of wine it refers to the slopes of a hill/valley (as opposed to the valley floor). Nothing to do with the beach unfortunately :)
Re:Has wine gone bad? by gowld on Wednesday May 23, 2018 @08:14PM (#17139725)
My memory is from this: http://www.trustmeimascientist.com/2012/01/01/the-zen-art-of...

claiming that in the 1980s, Pepsi was sweeter than Coke, which had an effect in (pseudo-)scientific taste tests.

Note that (not) recognizing which is which, and label biasing, are different from being able to recognize that they are different.

Re:Has wine gone bad? by dx034 on Wednesday May 16, 2018 @04:50AM (#17080916)
Also did blindtesting with my family. Coke and Pepsi was easy. I always thought no one could tell Coke Zero and Diet Coke apart but two in my family could identify it correctly 5 out of 6 times (I couldn't). We blind-tested several drinks and sweets that day, gives you a good idea where you can stop buying the brand product and where it's actually important.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by vkou on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @06:55PM (#17078625)
I can easily tell the difference between Pepsi and Coke. I don't have a strong preference for either. I have maybe 10 sodas/year.
Re:Has wine gone bad? by greglindahl on Tuesday May 15, 2018 @10:23PM (#17079543)
The difference is how the Pepsi Challenge works: Pepsi is sweeter, so after one sip, most people like it better, but after a whole can, most people prefer Coke because they're tired of all that sweetness.

If you chill them enough it's probably a lot harder to tell, but at the normal temperature of a "cold drink", it's pretty obvious.