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Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by jerf on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:25PM (#16961936)
"Cronin’s YouTube channel was up to about 22,000 subscribers when he received a notice from YouTube about one of his videos, “Relax and Improve Your Sleep with Natural Calm Magnesium.” The notice said the video had been removed for violating YouTube’s community guidelines, but didn’t specify further."

Magnesium isn't even a nootropic. That is, while it may have some ability to boost cognition, it isn't a substance primarily ingested for that reason. It is a substance primarily ingested so that the person ingesting it will stay alive.

A quick cruise around Duck Duck Go suggests that while science isn't saying you should use magnesium for sleep per se, it isn't necessarily a crazy idea in desperate need of being censored. Certainly the idea that magnesium is generally deficient is widespread, with estimates around 50% not meeting the US RDA for magnesium in the US, and while magnesium may not be a good solution for insomnia qua insomnia, it can be a good solution for many things that may be causing you to be "unable to sleep"[1], whether or not that is "insomnia".

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_deficiency_(medicine...

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by jrhurst on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:34PM (#16962036)
Problem is medical claims are highly regulated in the West. So there is a likely legal liability for youtube in the US and in the UK. In fact, they might have already had pressure from regulators.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by jerf on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:35PM (#16962047)
That would make sense.

It would help if YouTube would say so. I'm not sure Google's usual total opacity is going to play to their favor here. As I said in another comment, I personally see no reason to trust their judgment in these matters, but if they said "Hey, we're getting regulatory pressure from X about Y and we need to remove your stuff" that would be a step in the direction of restoring my trust. (I've got other reasons I'm very unlikely to ever trust them very much overall, but I am capable of nuance, so I have no problem saying I would at least trust them more.)

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by dghughes on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:50PM (#16963188)
Meanwhile MontrealHealthyGirls' YouTube channel is far worse. Her cancer and diabetes "cures" she's downright dangerous, and nuts.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by corobo on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @06:11AM (#16965774)
Have you reported the channel?
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by dghughes on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @10:58PM (#16973704)
Yes, often. And the same for Twitter.

I don't understand how she keeps escaping being shutdown or even arrested.

The Canadian government just banned a Naturopath product with actual rabies saliva in it which was used to treat children. At least there's progress.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by swirepe on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:51PM (#16962756)
Did you know that Pepsi is made from dead babies? I didn't, before YouTube [1]. It turns out you can say almost anything you want on video without it being a legal issue. I don't think regulators care about this small-time stuff.

[1]: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d72KsFEenz8

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by haZard_OS on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:42PM (#16964027)
groan I actually had to address that claim during a lecture once. Ridiculous.

For the record, I think anyone peddling pseudoscience regarding medical conditions should be shutdown hard and fast. People who suffer from chronic pain or incurable illness can become desperate and turn to charlatans whose snake-oil can produce terrible effects. It isn't harmless to prey on such insecurities.

http://whatstheharm.net/

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by zxcmx on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @07:30AM (#16966146)
I think this is tricky because as soon as you shut down the obvious stuff (ok, dead babies...) you will quickly arrive at barely or non provable stuff, acai berry level things, and medical claims (fructose intolerance! real thing btw!) which you are going to need a phd to sort out. I am not sure how youtube or any general content site could realistically be expected to have a policy on all these things.

You can't eradicate the nonsense you can just change its nature. In some ways I think having complete nonsense out there is healthy in terms of promoting skepticism amongst normal people.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by jerf on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @10:12AM (#16967147)
It's a harder problem than it appears. As I've written about before on Hacker News, I have Celiac disease and over my lifetime I've suffered from a variety of nutritional deficiencies.

In the past year I've gone from suffering heart problems so bad that I was becoming completely unable to sleep at night to having them nearly fixed [1]. (Point here being, we are waaaay beyond anything "placebo" could possibly do. Bright, shining, clear-as-day signals here.) I've done this by finding information from various sources about supplements that can address these problems.

Now, being a HN denizen and reasonably rational, I've done this by figuring out nutritional deficiencies and reading various papers. So I'm not taking random herbs or anything; I'm taking amino acids and magnesium and some other things that I can find various papers that suggest that they may help. I can even find actual doctors who seem to be quite reasonable and respected in their field recommending the core of regimen I'm on, so I'm far away from looney-land. However, in strict scientific terms, that is as far as science has gotten... some papers that suggest that further research is necessary, but said further research has not (as far as I can tell) been done yet, and substantial case reports from doctors but not much in the way of formal studies.

Everything I've tried, generally speaking the worst case scenario is that Nothing Happens, the upside is "maybe my heart will start working better", and the monetary cost has been negligible to me, so I've been able to work through things and figure out what helps, and the things that didn't help my particular problem.

(It is often pointed out that drug companies have little incentive to study the effectiveness of unpatentable substances on disease. My Celiac may be skewing the results, but based on the digging I've done into may various issues over the years, I have to say that it certainly appears to me that there is good reason to believe that there are a lot of cures, treatments, and ameliorations available for a whole host of diseases that are often studied in a cheap paper with a small sample size, or even in the form of case studies, but that are never followed up on because nobody's got the funding if it isn't going to produce a drug. If you've got something even slightly rare and you aren't getting a good treatment, I highly recommend trawling through the sludge of the internet and filtering it through a scientific understanding. You may be surprised at what you can find. You'll certainly find sludge, but there may be unexpected diamonds in there. Very often many of the interventions carry little risk beyond not working and are very cheap to try. I always double-check and triple-check the risks first, but sometimes it's as simple as "have you tried vitamin B supplements?" or something, where the risks are generally very well understood.)

But drawing a bright shining line between the resources I used to do this and "psuedoscience" is going to be very, very difficult. In fact at times the two were outright mixed together, and I had to untangle them myself. Yes, we know the worst stuff when we see it, absolutely, and I am not suggesting this space should be unregulated. However, I am suggesting that free speech is still a concern here, and I will personally be very unhappy if you lop what could very well be 30 years off my life in the name of "protecting" me.

Is it a challenge to filter this stuff correctly? Yeah. Nobody said life would be easy.

[1]: Conventional medicine put me on a heart monitor for a month and proceeded to announce to me that it was all normal that my heart was beating so wrongly that it was literally keeping me up at night. I have to admit this was definitely a bit of a blow in my confidence in the medical field. It all worked out for the best in the end anyhow; fixing the underlying deficiencies is a better idea that trying to take any medication to patch over the broken system, which is probably what would have happened. As my own further digging into the problem revealed, heart arrhythmia medicine can be a lifesaver in some circumstances, but it is also almost as like to cause the problems as to improve them. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have helped me, because my problem was, again, missing nutrients, and generally you can't medicine over that.

(So, for the aforementioned reasons, I don't have an official diagnosis, but I'm pretty sure it would be called "Vagal Paroxysmal Atrial Fibrillation". My mother suffers from AF, though I'm not sure of the exact subclassification, and I get my celiac from my father, so... yay genes.)

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by warent on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:13PM (#16963329)
Absolutely bogus. I just spent 30 minutes verifying this claim. They used HEK 293 cells combined with taste receptors as a tool in the development of a totally unrelated molecule by Senomyx called Sweetmyx.

Sweetmyx has zero embryo cells in it. The embryo cells were used to test how the human taste receptors would respond to Sweetmyx.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/senomyxed-messages/

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by swirepe on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:22PM (#16963384)
Yes, it is bogus. That's the point, actually. You can just say whatever bogus stuff you want on YouTube.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by vertexFarm on Monday April 30, 2018 @04:59PM (#16962267)
“Nothing illegal, no medical advice offered, I've always been incredibly careful about this.”

The article then goes on to name several videos with titles like "increase energy," "improve concentration and memory," "improve sleep," etc.

Are there any lawyers around who know of a legal definition for "medical advice" or "medical claims?" Because these videos sound a lot like medical advice despite his insistence that they aren't.

Youtube censorship sucks sometimes, but this guy experimenting on himself is not nearly rigorous enough to figure out what's really happening when he is taking these supplements. When a person sets out to improve themselves with drugs, test the process on themselves, and interpret and analyze those results themselves, it's a viper's pit of biases. Obviously the experimenter has a huge personal stake in the experiment (arguably the largest; his person is the experiment!) and that generally is great for motivation but bad for science.

I like playing with nootropics but I'm also relatively healthy and I can't imagine how damaging it might be for a seriously ill person who is taking advice from youtube in a desperate and futile attempt to improve their condition and survive. The ethics are pretty complex, above my pay grade for sure.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by Bartweiss on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:22PM (#16962496)
> a legal definition for "medical advice"

If you're talking about the FDA, the basic rule is that you can't claim a product treats or cures any diagnosable condition it hasn't been certified for. Claims like "improve concentration" and "improve sleep" are generally permissible, where specific statements like "helps with ADD" and "cures insomnia" are not.

Based on those video titles, I don't see anything which constitutes medical advice in the narrow sense. Someone could well have decided the overall effect was tacit medical advice, but these titles in isolation aren't clear violations.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by driverdan on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:43PM (#16963799)
Those are called non-functional claims and are allowed in the US.

Any time you see something non-specific like "boosts the immune system" or "increases energy" it means the product is likely worthless because those claims don't actually mean anything.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by p1necone on Monday April 30, 2018 @09:18PM (#16963951)
How do those claims not mean anything? They sound pretty clear to me.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by X-Istence on Monday April 30, 2018 @11:08PM (#16964327)
Because the FDA has very specific rules as to what constitutes medical advice and what doesn't. The claim of "helps you sleep" is not medical advice and not regulated.

It's the reason so many "nutrition" companies can get away with claiming all kinds of things such as "burn fat faster". That statement means something to you and I, but it's not a medical statement.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by p1necone on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @09:58PM (#16973485)
The comment I was replying to said the claims had no meaning, not referring to the FDA.

They might be "meaningless" to actual medical professionals or people with decent knowledge of the ways that companies skirt product labelling laws. But the average layperson who might buy these products is probably neither of those things and is more likely to interpret them literally.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by corobo on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @06:14AM (#16965785)
Because if the products actually worked they'd be allowed to claim they work for actual diagnoses (e.g. "Fixes Insomnia from dose 4" vs "Promotes sleep")
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by scott_s on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @11:43AM (#16968006)
I agree with the other two replies, but I wanted to add: the claim is going to be the strongest they think they can get away with. If they’re not making specific claims about specific outcomes, that implies they know they can’t get away with it. And, if they could make those claims, it would no longer be a “supplement,” but a “drug.”
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by stevecronin on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:40PM (#16963786)
While I disagree that the titles are medical advice, I do see your point. It's funny because actually my YouTube mentor suggested use titles like that so people who didn't know what the products were could get an idea for what they were used for. I still made disclaimers in my videos.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by serf on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:03PM (#16963267)
>Problem is medical claims are highly regulated in the West.

so highly regulated that I can buy a one-time dose vial of mystery liquid at my local liquor store that promises harder erections and improved cognition, without the active ingredients printed anywhere.

If this was triggered by pressure from any group like the FDA, i'd sure be curious why they decided to start regulating medical woo-woo at the YouTube level, and not at the "homeopath that can cure any cancer" level, which is totally prevalent in the U.S.

When I had a commute I used to count the car windshield banner stickers that advertised the sale of miracle juices, berrys, extracts, whatever. Those 'Avon-esque' pyramid schemes are dangerous from both sides -- both for suckers that get pulled in as sellers , and for the folks consuming the stuff hoping to cure colon cancer, but that stuff is still as prevalent as ever..

When, exactly, does western medical regulation kick in? It seems to be when you're making lots of money on-shore.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by stevecronin on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:39PM (#16963781)
I always made it very clear not to make medical claims.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by dbasedweeb on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:47PM (#16963813)
Relax and Improve Your Sleep with Natural Calm Magnesium

If that’s your version of very clear, maybe you shouldn’t be giving people advice.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by stevecronin on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:32AM (#16965197)
So does adding a question mark at the end of the title fit your position? It's a title and you did not watch the video, it's the same when you buy that product at whole foods and the label says something, then you turn it over to see it's not medical advice.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by jmcqk6 on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @10:03AM (#16967079)
Here is how you can state it without ambiguity:

Learn how magnesium may relax and improve your sleep

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by girvo on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:33AM (#16965215)
Y’know, he’s right: that’s technically not a medical claim, it’s a “non-functional” claim. Of course, I also get what you mean; to you and I, that looks exactly like a medical claim! The regulations for all this are slightly mental, which is why things like homeopathy and those bullshit “skinny tea” pyramid schemes survive
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by Barrin92 on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:53PM (#16963200)
>while science isn't saying you should use magnesium for sleep per se, it isn't necessarily a crazy idea

taking nutritional supplements without any evidence that they accomplish anything useful and without a physician's advice is generally a bad idea (the default mode is not 'take until suggested otherwise' but 'only take if necessary'), and trying to make money off it by marketing them on youtube is even more miserable.

I'm very much in favour of youtube taking a proactive stance here. As a related note on nootropics, most of the products advertised under that label don't actually do anything at all. There's two very well known nootropics, caffeine and nicotine. So the next time someone tries to sell you weird nutrition supplements, just get a good old cup of coffee.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by jimrandomh on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:11PM (#16963322)
Check the Wikipedia page on magnesium deficiency, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnesium_deficiency_(medicine... . It has solid citations and says:

"Symptoms of magnesium deficiency include ... insomnia" and "57% of the US population does not meet the US RDA for dietary intake of magnesium."

I don't know what was in the video beyond its title, but the title is solidly inside the bounds of established science.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by vkou on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:26PM (#16963399)
The difference between established science, and medical advice is that the latter needs to look at the body as a holistic system.

Magnesium deficiency may be a documented problem, with documented symptoms. Taking magnesium to correct it may have unfortunate side effects, due to other drugs that you're taking, or other conditions that you may have.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by Barrin92 on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:15PM (#16963674)
And beta-blockers lower blood pressure, that doesn't mean you should take them because someone on youtube tells you to. You should take drugs or supplements when a physician tells you that something is wrong that needs fixing.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by walshemj on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:58PM (#16963237)
Exactly last Autumn I was in a renal clinic recovering from surgery.

One of the patents on my ward was an OAP who had been taking a lot of Zinc which reacted with the meds he was on and it Totally shut down his Kidneys FFS.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by thenergo on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:43PM (#16963499)
therefore consuming a lot zinc totally shuts down your kidneys...

or maybe you have a sample size of one?

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by walshemj on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:49PM (#16963531)
It was recklessly consuming vast amounts of "supplements" that did it.

You want to try risking total renal failure go ahead - or are you a pusher with no concern for your punters health.

Btw they put you on the transplant list way before you get to this point which this person did to himself.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by jeremyt on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:22PM (#16963700)
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by nyrulez on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @11:39AM (#16967953)
So any advice or opinion on YouTube that isn't backed by a scientific study should be simply removed?
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by scott_s on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @11:45AM (#16968030)
No, but medical advice falls into a special category of the law.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by stevecronin on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:42PM (#16963789)
It was really just my intent to share my experience, and I wasn't selling the magnesium.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by chillingeffect on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:33PM (#16962615)
really? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=magnesium+sleep+research&t=ffsb&ia...

First result: The effect of magnesium supplementation on primary insomnia in elderly: A double-blind placebo-controlled clinical trial.

CONCLUSION:

Supplementation of magnesium appears to improve subjective measures of insomnia such as ISI score, sleep efficiency, sleep time and sleep onset latency, early morning awakening, and likewise, insomnia objective measures such as concentration of serum renin, melatonin, and serum cortisol, in elderly people.

btw I was a fan of Steve Cronin's channel and of reddit's nootropics subreddit. Steve's stuff was hardly experimental. Lots of this stuff is heavily researched. Youtube probably has input from Big Pharma. What's next, eliminating smoothy and juicing videos? Vegan recipes? Will they let themselves become a perfect shady of the corporate lifestyle?

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by PaulHoule on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:39PM (#16962669)
I've found that magnesium helps my sleep, particularly the cheaper forms. The more expensive chelated forms seem to do less for me.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by ebbv on Monday April 30, 2018 @10:02PM (#16964096)
The placebo effect is a real effect
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by girvo on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:37AM (#16965230)
Indeed, and I find my zinc/magnesium tablets an excellent way to induce it. I also find my 3000IU of vitamin D excellent in the other direction, for waking me up. Quite probably they’re both placebo, but it works, is safe in the amounts I take, and is cheap :)
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by stevecronin on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:33AM (#16965207)
Thank you
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by chillingeffect on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @10:40AM (#16967363)
hey homie!!! you know when I said, "hardly experimental," I meant non-controversial, right? I mean, you're not some risky, crazy quack, just a regular dude reviewing the well-known stuff that we should all know!

I hope you find a new venture in your Ikegai!!!!

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by ebbv on Monday April 30, 2018 @10:04PM (#16964106)
It’s not censoring of ideas. It’s removing video ads for quackery that is probably illegal under strict reading of US law.

YouTube is on borrowed time (as is all social media) in skirting regulations that normally were enforced on TV and radio. It will catch up with YouTube, Instagram, etc and they are realizing it and trying to prepare.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by gaius on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @03:38AM (#16965233)
while science isn't saying you should use magnesium for sleep per se

In the fitness community ZMA is widely considered a sleep aid.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZMA_(supplement)

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by friesen on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @12:33PM (#16968607)
First, there is nothing in that wiki page that suggests that ZMA is a sleep aid. Second, the fitness community is prone to quackery.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by himom on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @12:57AM (#16964685)
Heck, my mother and I both independently were recommended to supplement with extra magnesium. Most people are also deficient. It’s also useful for cognitive and GI function.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by stevecronin on Monday April 30, 2018 @08:38PM (#16963776)
Thanks for sharing this article. I was shocked when they removed my channel for things like this.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by otakucode on Monday April 30, 2018 @05:51PM (#16962758)
YouTube isn't going after 'crazy idea[s] in need of being censored.' They're going after anything they can to shut down as many small channels as they can. Their end goal is a situation akin to traditional TV networks. Far less variety, very much walled off from participation, and much more centralized. This will enable Eric Schmidt and his colleagues to exercise much more control over human culture. He explained that Google has a responsibility to manipulate human culture in his book "The New Digital Age." They are rich, and as such, better. As far as he is concerned, protecting the masses from themselves is his duty and responsibility.
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by JackCh on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:19PM (#16962957)
I think this may be a case where the truth is difficult for the general public to believe because it sounds too "conspiratorial".
Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by otakucode on Tuesday May 01, 2018 @08:22PM (#16973032)
Well, I mean when you write a book and explicitly say that you believe your company needs to take an active role in guiding global human culture, does it really make it a 'conspiracy'? His viewpoint is not as radical as some people might take it to be. Up until the American Revolution, basically every society operated under the notion that some people are fundamentally 'better' than other people. Kings, queens, chieftans, whatever, were not simply people who were good at leading, they were all believed to be either chosen by or literally a god. It was seen as natural and proper that those people would lead, and that other people were born to follow.

To accomplish great things, it was believed, those leaders have to take the reigns and direct the commoners or else they would tear themselves apart in anarchy. A great many of the upper class still believe this to be the situation (which is partially psychological self defense, believing that they were simply lucky would lead to many feeling very bad about having so much more than almost everyone else). While something like YouTube becoming a way for tons of people to make a decent living, and that becoming the dominant means through which media is created and consumed, as opposed to centralization of media production and consumption under a handful of more directly controlled companies sounds like a renaissance to most people, to them it sounds like outrageous stupidity. It sounds like letting the rats chew through one of the pillars holding our society aloft.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by AnimalMuppet on Monday April 30, 2018 @06:52PM (#16963196)
No, I don't believe it because it sounds like a really stupid idea. YouTube isn't going to have much less variety, because YouTube makes money by selling ads to viewers, and they're going to have a significant number fewer viewers if they try to do that.

And I suspect that they want to make money even more than they want to reshape the culture into the image of what they think it should be...

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by JackCh on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:23PM (#16963389)
The theory as I've heard it goes that youtube believes manual human review of videos is becoming increasingly necessary and creates a significant expense (hiring human reviewers is more expensive than algorithmic review). The less monetized channels there are on youtube, the less money youtube has to spend manually reviewing videos. And if youtube users all 'choose' to watch only a relatively small portion of channels, youtube users will be less distressed when smaller channels start complaining about being demonetized. If the vast majority of their users are only watching a handful of channels, youtube becomes more efficient and more profitable.

Therefore culture shaping and profit are not mutually exclusive. On the contrary, they both reinforce each other.

Re:YouTube Is Removing Some Nootropics Channels by serf on Monday April 30, 2018 @07:16PM (#16963343)
I don't believe this idea, but allow me to play devil's advocate.

>And I suspect that they want to make money even more than they want to reshape the culture into the image of what they think it should be...

Groups often do this to secure future profits at the cost of current profits. It would be to the advantage of YT to reduce costs by funneling as many users as they can to the same result, allowing for the reduction of dynamic elements within their structure.

It could be that they are juggling total lost customers with a total cost of operation and trying to achieve a more profitable ratio with cheaper/easier to substantiate channels/results

tl;dr : Google would be cheaper to run if there were only 20 results. Google would be #1 if they could keep their current audience happy with that style of operation, due to the disparity in income versus outward expenses.

Maybe some group of psychologists is discussing what channels to bar next that won't hurt the bottom line...

(but, like I said in the beginning , I doubt it very much -- it's just a fun exercise to imagine why they would want to destroy content)