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Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by georgewsinger on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @04:41PM (#16862126)
This guy has a background in computer science, but taught himself biology to spearhead the regenerative medicine movement. If I'm not mistaken, he published a book in biology with no formal credentials (16 years after receiving his BA in computer science), after which Cambridge honored him with a PhD in the subject.

He's also Thiel backed.

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by brmgb on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @04:59PM (#16862269)
> honored him with a PhD in the subject

Just to precise if you were confused like me, Cambridge gave him an actual PhD in Biology based on the book - meaning the book satisfied all the prerequisites of a PhD at Cambridge and he had to do a viva - not just an honorary degree.

That's quite an impressive fellow.

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by adw on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @06:50PM (#16862988)
The way a Cambridge PhD works, I believe – and I think this is the same across the UK – is that the only things you actually have to do are;

a) write a thesis

b) find examiners (internal and external) who agree to examine you; if you're a grad student this is your advisor's job. The examination is by thesis review followed by pass/pass-with-corrections/fail oral exam. It can take as long as it needs to (typically three to four hours), and is in private; it's not like public defenses elsewhere, which are for show, this is a real live-fire exam and I know people who have failed

c) pass

d) ... that's it; there is no part d)

In particular, there are no quals or other requirements; the degree is an old-school medieval masterwork deal. You submit your thesis and get examined on it. Typically you write your thesis through an apprenticeship to your advisor, but that's not actually required, it's just conventional; in Aubrey's case, the thesis was the book and the research proceeded by unusual means over a long period of time. Nevertheless, he got examined in the same way everyone else does, he passed like everyone else did, so he has his PhD.

(source: my own memory, I know Aubrey and have worked with him on a couple of non-science things fifteen years ago, and I got my PhD from Cambridge through the traditional route of being a grad student – thesis at https://aspace.repository.cam.ac.uk/handle/1810/218854?show=...)

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by jamessb on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @07:19PM (#16863167)
If you are seeking the Ph.D. Degree under the normal regulations, you are required to have "kept three terms at least by residence" (i.e. have lived within three miles of Great St. Mary's Church for a year) [1]. There is also a minimum time of 9 terms (ie. 3 years) that must be spent as a Graudate Student [2].

The alternative 'special regulations' apply only to graduates of the Cambridge University, or graduates of another university who have been admitted "to some office in the University or to a Headship or a Fellowship of a College" [3].

> d) ... that's it; there is no part d)

Well, the most likely outcome of the viva is a pass with minor corrections, so there typically is a part d - "make the corrections requested by the examiners and re-submit".

[1]: https://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/univ/so/2017/chapter02-section9....

[2]: https://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/univ/so/2017/chapter07-section13...

[3]: https://www.admin.cam.ac.uk/univ/so/2017/chapter07-section13...

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by adw on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @07:34PM (#16863275)
I'd forgotten about the Great St. Mary's deal. :-) (I spent my PhD firstly in Jesus College and then living out in a couple of places in Castle and Abbey, so I'm glad in retrospect that I didn't breach those rules...)

I think the spirit of what I wrote is broadly accurate. d) was definitely a rhetorical indulgence!

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by gowld on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @07:11PM (#16863114)
It was only slightly unusual. de Gray got an undergrad (computer science) degree from Cambridge and married a Cambridge biologist and then worked at a biology-computing lab while writing the book. With the professor and the lab (and the upper class boarding school and multimillionaire mother), the only thing missing was a formal admission to the PhD program.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by huac on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @08:26PM (#16863596)
saw this amusing story about how Prince Charles's bodyguard got a degree from Cambridge https://www.quora.com/Why-do-members-of-the-British-royalty-...
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by stordoff on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:16AM (#16866339)
Worth noting that "for a standard undergraduate degree there are specific and strict academic requirements for admission to Oxford and Cambridge" isn't strictly true. A College can vary the admission criteria as it sees fit, and EE/unconditional offers can and have been given.

https://www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/applying/entrance-...

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by mikhailfranco on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:59AM (#16866579)
I think those low offers were typical in the days of the separate entrance exam. I took the (4th term) undergraduate entrance exam for Oxford. When I got the telegram "not required for interview at Oxford" I thought I had failed. But then got accepted with an EE offer (two minimum-pass E grades at A-level) without the need for an interview.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by lozenge on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:44PM (#16869865)
Nowadays the low offers are for those competing in the International Maths Olympiad and similar competitions, so they can spend less time on the irrelevant A Levels.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by jey on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @05:03PM (#16862307)
> viva

I wasn't familiar with this term; apparently it refers to the "oral defense" of a PhD thesis.

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by kenver on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @07:07PM (#16863098)
One of the toughest experiences of my work life was my viva. The examiner picks at every hole in your work and you need to have an answer. Even if the answer is acknowledging it and proposing future work. It's a very useful experience, and when combined with the rest of a PhD, teaches you to be humble and accept that criticism of work is not an attack on the author. I still have nightmares about mine!
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by schoen on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @05:34PM (#16862512)
From Latin "viva voce", literally 'with a live voice' and roughly meaning 'aloud'.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/viva_voce#English

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by Angostura on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:00AM (#16866265)
At my university you also got a 'viva voce' as an undergraduate if your BSc is borderline between two grades. I received one and yes, I got the lower grade.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by stordoff on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:20AM (#16866355)
It's not strictly limited to just PhDs - at my university, I was required to take one for a year-end undergraduate project.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by btcindivist on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @12:05PM (#16868454)
I'm not sure. Given that he was in a relationship with a professor there, he might have got an easy pass.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by jrq on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @05:17PM (#16862393)
So then amateur mathematician is a bit misleading? It sounds like this guy is a marvelous person at whatever he does. How can he be an amateur ANYTHING but have a PhD?
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by spuz on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:54AM (#16865237)
Amateur comes from the Latin amar which means to love. An amateur is someone who does something for pleasure rather than money. Sometimes people use it to mean a novice or someone who is unskilled but in this case the original meaning applies.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by Eldandan on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @08:20PM (#16863570)
I think amateur in this case refers to non-professional / research mathematician with a PhD working at a University or a Research Institute. You still need to have some serious math chops to get this kind of result, it just isn't reflected in your official title or degree.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by userbinator on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @10:28PM (#16864150)
"Independent" might be a better adjective for someone like that.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by Jtsummers on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @11:37PM (#16864424)
If you're not doing it for profit, you're an amateur. Independent would suggest he could still doing math professionally but on a contract or otherwise unaffiliated basis.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @02:56PM (#16869979)
Hmm, that is a definition of amateur; just as "professional" can mean you make a living from it.

However amateur often means - in British English - simply "low skilled" as professional can mean "formally carried out with high competence".

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by truculation on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @08:37PM (#16863662)
IIRC this guy or his associates dug up soil from a medieval burial site near Cambridge (England) to try and find a bacterial enzyme capable of breaking down 7-ketocholesterol (and hence potentially to cure artherosclerosis). Maybe not Indiana Jones but certainly ingenius and intrepid!
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by brightball on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @04:45PM (#16862151)
I find that I’m much more open to teaching myself just about anything now. Years of learning every new thing under the sun in the software world will do that.

Doesn’t surprise me at all to hear this.

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by HiroshiSan on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @05:13PM (#16862369)
Gotta downplay his achievements to fit the narrative of the 'prodigy'.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by sd90909 on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @11:59AM (#16868397)
What do you mean? How is it downplaying?
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by HiroshiSan on Thursday April 19, 2018 @12:43PM (#16877407)
Downplaying in the sense that it's god given and not sweat equity.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by 8bitsrule on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @09:17PM (#16863859)
Another such word: 'fringe'
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by dabockster on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @06:25PM (#16862838)
> He's also Thiel backed.

Is having Thiel's association a positive thing still? Serious question.

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by billhendricksjr on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:19AM (#16866724)
Just don’t piss him off. Just got done reading “Conspiracy: Peter Thiel, Hulk Hogan, Gawker, and the Anatomy of Intrigue.” Starts a bit slow and pretentious, but once it gets going... I dislike Thiel immensely, but hole-lee-shit he pulled off one of the most complicated, ruthless, and complete revenge plots I’ve ever heard of. That he kept secret for NINE YEARS while planning and executing (quite literally) his scheme.

Even if you know the story well, the book is worth a read or listen.

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by Mononokay on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @12:50PM (#16868856)
Thiel's a brilliant person who's misguided in regards to some things - a few bad ideas shouldn't particularly mean a person should be shunned entirely.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by toren on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @04:06AM (#16865602)
I would assume so. I couldn't care less about his political affiliations
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by billhendricksjr on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @08:22AM (#16866741)
His political affiliations are in conflict with his desire for long life, given who has the nuclear football.

I don’t care, I’m an atheist with no kids who’d be bored out of my mind before I hit 300 years old, much less 1,000.

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by derefr on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @06:15PM (#16871737)
If you're afraid of the nuclear football, isn't "standing right beside the person holding it" the best place to be, if you hope to have any shred of control over whether it gets dropped?
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by billhendricksjr on Friday April 20, 2018 @01:09AM (#16882293)
If you think you can convince him not to pull the trigger. I’d rather be standing at ground zero. Dying of radiation poisoning is an experience I don’t need to see to believe.

My father in law was at the bikini islands for the test runs (died of cancer), my great uncle was on the ground in Japan shorty after they dropped Hiroshima (died of cancer), and great uncle’s kids has Japanese rifles he recovered from sites that glowed in the dark as late as the mid 70s.

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by jakeogh on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @01:56PM (#16869431)
How's that NK thing going?
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by jakeogh on Tuesday April 24, 2018 @12:18PM (#16913945)
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by fahadkhan on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @06:35AM (#16866174)
From a bank balance perspective, yes!

(Probably anyway, I don't personally know anyone that is Thiel backed)

Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by bhasi on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @06:37PM (#16862909)
Oh, I thought the implication was the other way around, something to do with Thiel's political leanings. My bad.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by glibgil on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @06:33PM (#16862879)
Given Thiel's interest in longevity, yes
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by grkvlt on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @11:01PM (#16873032)
Oh great; an immortal Peter Thiel, just what the world needs...!
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by nontechdude1 on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @06:42PM (#16862934)
from a political perspective, no. if you care about actual technological accomplishments, as a technologist, peter thiel's endorsement should matter a lot.
Re:Decades-Old Graph Problem Yields to Amateur Mathematician by jimmy1 on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @11:53PM (#16864483)
Absolutely, especially depending on our audience. To your typical SJW crowd, probably not. To everyone else, yes.