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Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by toomuchtodo on Monday April 16, 2018 @12:09AM (#16846621)
My god, the author of this story made all the wrong choices. Wouldn’t walk away from the property, liquidated his 401k to obtain sole possession of the dwelling from his ex, wouldn’t commit to missing payments to get a workout commitment from his lender.

Had he walked away from the property, he’d still have his 401k (protected from creditors by federal law; he could’ve lived in the house for years while it went through foreclosure and put his mortgage payments in his 401k) and if the lender absolutely decided to pursue the deficiency judgment (rare), he could’ve settled for pennies on the dollar or declared bankruptcy and still been hundreds of thousands of dollars ahead.

Just sad. My advice to those who read this: never get emotionally invested. It’s just business. Look at the numbers, and throw out any sense of morality of the debt repayment. That is how the system is built; act like a rational actor within it (losses are built into the mortgage interest rate). Your future self will thank you.

Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by tankerslay on Monday April 16, 2018 @02:58AM (#16847156)
>My god, the author of this story made all the wrong choices.

Did he? He kept his job, didn't get drunk or hooked on pain pills, bailed out what sounded like a very uncooperative ex-wife, and all through it kept his house clean and even took care of the neighbor's dog. If anything, I'd say the story comes dangerously close to being a humble brag.

Whatever money difference there was be between him and pretty much any of the others, including the couple who skipped town with pizza on the counter...I'd gladly pay it twice over to have neighbors like this guy.

Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by justherefortart on Monday April 16, 2018 @11:06AM (#16849448)
My first wife tried this uncooperative shit with our home (I bought before we were married). I told her I'd sell it for exactly what we owe if she didn't take my fair offer.

Probably should have just gone ahead and done that but I didn't want to move.

Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by IkmoIkmo on Monday April 16, 2018 @12:06PM (#16849990)
From the assumption of self-interest, yes he made all the wrong choices.

Being a model citizen or nice neighbour or a bank's best friend is another story.

Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by DubiousPusher on Monday April 16, 2018 @02:23AM (#16847031)
For some of us, it's engrained into our moral code to fulfill our word with people. And this is manipulated so we'll extend it to corporations. It took me years to learn how to handle relationships with large companies and I still feel horrible frequently after a call with a rep for one.

I've spent hours on the phone trying every way I can to resolve some issue and it too often just comes down to being a jerk. But in so many ways they create the rules of the game.

Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by squiggleblaz on Monday April 16, 2018 @02:52AM (#16847134)
Yep. In German, debt is guilt. In Aramaic, debt is sin. But in English, debt is just debt. If you owe your debt to a physical human being who's legit struggling, I implore you, make every effort. But you owe nothing at all to a company unless the law will force it out of you.
Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by lazyasciiart on Monday April 16, 2018 @02:38AM (#16847078)
Hell, if he'd sold the property for 'less than it was worth' at any point, it sounds like he'd be better off.

> I prepared to sell our house. To cover sales commissions and other expenses, we’d have to sell it for more than we’d paid for it

yea, that's not how house prices are set.

Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by x0x0 on Monday April 16, 2018 @01:21AM (#16846811)
He'd already moved by the time he desperately wanted to sell.
Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by tomcam on Monday April 16, 2018 @03:10AM (#16847194)
I know, what a fucking stooge, amiright? He actually wanted to pay his debts. What a loser.
Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by frankc on Monday April 16, 2018 @03:22AM (#16847235)
If you treat your mortgage like a blood oath instead of a contract, then yeah, you're a dummy.
Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by onetimemanytime on Monday April 16, 2018 @09:12AM (#16848690)
The debt was given by a company to him with lots of caveats, one of them is not paying it. They are consequences of course.

Rule of thumb: pay back your grandma, but if the corp lender will screw you if he had a chance, treat him the same. Debt from people really trying to help you out and debt from companies trying to milk you left and right isn't the same.

Should one feel guilty of not paying, if you CC rate goes to 30% for being late a few payments and they do nothing to lower the rate?

Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by tonyedgecombe on Monday April 16, 2018 @03:37AM (#16847295)
You could compile a good list of who to do business with and who to avoid right here.
Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by jackvalentine on Monday April 16, 2018 @08:09AM (#16848355)
I'd prefer you do business with me because our contract is mutually beneficial and we both understand the risks we're undertaking.

Not because you think you have some kind of honour debt to me.

Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by tonyedgecombe on Tuesday April 17, 2018 @03:28AM (#16856263)
On the other hand if you think you could weasel out of an agreement because the contract isn't defined tightly enough then I wouldn't want to do business with you.
Re:My 10-Year Odyssey Through America’s Housing Crisis by jackvalentine on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @10:14PM (#16872847)
Emotive words like 'weasel' don't belong in a business discussion.

If the best course of action for you is to walk away from our deal, then I encourage you to take it. I would hope you understand me doing the same.