Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon Cloud Bid

Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by setquk on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:34PM (#16840192)

You sound exactly like the two oracle engineers I spoke to circa 2000. “We hate WebDB. If you don’t buy it, we’ll get made redundant and can sign on and get free education to do something other than IT. Please don’t buy it. Think of our children”.

I exaggerate but not by much.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by jeffbarr on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:03PM (#16840075)

Happy to help - there are plenty of open positions on the AWS team!

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by AnonCoward222 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:31PM (#16840176)

Hey thanks for the kind words, I sent you an email. Have a great weekend!

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by blauditore on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:40PM (#16840219)

Are you the same person, and if so, why a different account??

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by anoncoward1234 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:50PM (#16840267)

Yes, sorry it is the same person, I apologize for the confusion. I was eating dinner and was using my phone and then came home and switched to my computer. In retrospect I can see how that might seem offputting.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by astura on Saturday April 14, 2018 @08:27PM (#16840386)

Forgot the password to the throwaway?

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by rosstex on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:09PM (#16840102)

I was expecting "Happy to answer any questions you have!", but this was a refreshing twist. Hoping for the best bud.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by pubg on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:44PM (#16840234)

Are you able to share any specific complaints, gripes or issues? This entire thread is an Oracle bash fest without much specific data or information.

Don't get me wrong, not a huge fan of Oracle but am curious to know if there is an actual problem, or if this is simply a hater-ade/fanboy party with no substance.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by anoncoward1234 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:55PM (#16840280)

Given that my comment blew up and has high visibility I feel I probably shouldn't share anything specific. It was a pretty much throw away comment that I didn't expect to get as much attention as it did. The best I can say is that after working for the company I think that the general news.ycombinator.com beliefs on the performance of Oracle are entirely justified. I thought going in that it may have been overblown, like you say some sort of "startups are cool, big corps are evil boo" kind of thing, but it is not. I love the people I work with in my section! Just, not the overall firm.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by rdl on Saturday April 14, 2018 @08:05PM (#16840310)

I wonder if there will be a management witch hunt against the Solutions Engineering team on Monday provoked by your post.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by stale2002 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @08:39PM (#16840425)

Well the joke would be on management. I am sure that ALL of the solutions engineers think that the product is garbage, given that they are the ones who have to deal with the problems.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by userbinator on Saturday April 14, 2018 @10:23PM (#16840759)

I am sure that ALL of the solutions engineers think that the product is garbage, given that they are the ones who have to deal with the problems.

On the other hand, without the problems, the solution engineers might not exist...

...which is, in one sentence, the reason why Oracle consultants exist.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by jmspring on Monday April 16, 2018 @07:59PM (#16854147)

If you are still looking about, our group at Microsoft - CSE (commercial software engineering) is hiring. Some evangelism, lots of open source, the group I am part of works heavily with both the open source side of things as well as the product team around Kubernetes.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by jlgaddis on Saturday April 14, 2018 @09:39PM (#16840612)

> ... but am curious to know if there is an actual problem, or if this is simply a hater-ade/fanboy party with no substance.

You've never had to deal with Oracle sales or "support" staff or -- even worse -- manage or support Oracle products in production, have you? If you had, well, you would already know the answer. Oracle RDBMS might be the one exception.

(FWIW, I mean "real" Oracle products, not, say, MySQL or Oracle Linux, for example.)

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by manigandham on Saturday April 14, 2018 @10:16PM (#16840741)

The Oracle cloud is available to anyone and comes with $300 of credit: https://cloud.oracle.com/home

Ignore the comments and just try it. Run an instance for a weekend, try to setup a site or install a DB and see how it goes. I think you'll learn very quickly why the reputation exists.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by gpm on Saturday April 14, 2018 @11:04PM (#16840908)

The pricing seems... really weird. Many very different offerings are priced exactly the same. E.g.

VM.Standard.1.1 and VM.Standard1.16, same cost but the latter has 16 cores instead of 1 (same CPU), 112 GB memory instead of 7.

https://cloud.oracle.com/en_US/iaas/pricing

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by manigandham on Saturday April 14, 2018 @11:07PM (#16840915)

The pricing is per OCPU (Oracle CPU core) per hour. 16 cores = 16x the listed price for a single core. But yes, the table is a perfect example of how bad everything is.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by Spooky23 on Sunday April 15, 2018 @09:25PM (#16846077)

If you ever think you understand the price of anything Oracle, take it as a signal that you are wrong.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by christophilus on Saturday April 14, 2018 @08:07PM (#16840316)

Amazon's AWS team probably contacts me once a month with job offers. I suspect you could reach out to them and get yourself a much better job. My friend who works for them loves it.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by PenguinCoder on Saturday April 14, 2018 @11:29PM (#16841013)

I've been contacted and interviews a few times with AWS and threat Intel team but never got ANY followup after the second interview. It's disheartening. At this point I'm ready to give up. Why do their recruiters keep reaching out If they never even give a Yay /nay after six months and two interviews?

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by halbritt on Saturday April 14, 2018 @10:05PM (#16840700)

I've a friend up in Washington that loves it. That said, I've worked with a lot of ex-AWS people that couldn't stand the culture.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by pram on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:13PM (#16840119)

Yeah I worked in PDIT on some of the cloud stuff and it was a sad joke. Get out, you won’t regret it.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by emmelaich on Saturday April 14, 2018 @08:25PM (#16840378)

I've heard IBM's Cloud is much the same.

The only thing it has in common with a proper cloud thing like AWS or GCP is the 'cloud' in the name.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by coredog64 on Saturday April 14, 2018 @09:02PM (#16840504)

Isn't IBM's cloud offering built on top of Cloud Foundry? (Not saying you are wrong, just trying to figure out which partner is to blame)

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by manigandham on Saturday April 14, 2018 @10:14PM (#16840735)

No. IaaS is Softlayer which they acquired, a mix between VMs and dedicated machines. Worked well before but networking is now obsolete, operations too manual, and any price advantage is long gone.

The rest of their products are managed services running on this, similar to the other clouds, and they work fine for what they are. Bandwidth costs are always the limiting factor though with any cross-cloud situation and their Watson AI is useless and nowhere near what they hype.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by emmelaich on Saturday April 14, 2018 @09:52PM (#16840648)

Wouldn't matter what it's built on :-)

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by devbetadud on Saturday April 14, 2018 @07:30PM (#16840174)

I'm having the same experience with Azure after coming from AWS.

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Re:Oracle Said to Be Leading Anti-Amazon Lobby on Pentagon C... by halbritt on Saturday April 14, 2018 @10:10PM (#16840723)

Ditto. Kinda.

I moved a lot of infra out of AWS and into GKE which I'm loving. Outside of GKE, which is great. GCP has a few things that I like better than AWS.

I also moved some infra into Azure, specifically into ACS, and then AKS and now ACS-engine.

It is very much not great.

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