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Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by CoffeeOnWrite on Sunday April 08, 2018 @01:26PM (#16787138)
I’m on my 4th Thinkpad T-series - T520, T530, T450s, T460s - each one was a a winner. I ditched the T5XX series when they borked the keyboard layout by adding a numpad. Used to run Ubuntu, now I run Debian, stable or testing depending on point in release cycle at install time. I plan to take another look at Ubuntu now that they gave up on Unity. A coworker is happily on the T470s (first USB-C in the series). I always get 1920x1080 since my eyes are accustomed to it, but multiple coworkers are happy with 2560x1440. Used to get the Nvidia cards, now very happy with the integrated Intel graphics. In general, last year’s hardware requires almost zero messing with Linux to make everything work, whereas with the latest hardware, be prepared to solve a couple minor issues. Ubuntu’s font rendering or Infinality are both amazing and better than macOS or Win10 to my eyes.

I’m ridiculously excited to eventually upgrade to a T480s because it’s the first in the series to offer a quad-core CPU. They’re selling the quad-core with Intel graphics which is exactly what I want. I hope Lenovo did a good job with the thermal engineering...

Thanks to all the open source developers that deliver this totally rad experience on Linux, Debian, and Gnome <3

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by closeparen on Sunday April 08, 2018 @04:29PM (#16788170)
Friendly reminder that Lenovo made a deliberate choice to ship malware payloads to its customers from the factory [0] by preinstalling an SSL MITM proxy configuration from an adware vendor. This is not some suspicious technology with legitimate uses like Intel Management Engine. This is not concerns about the second-order implications of your voluntary uploads to Facebook and Google. It's not even an agency with a real national-security mission overstepping its bounds. It's honest-to-goodness we're-going-to-fuck-you-because-we-can pwnage officially authorized at the highest levels of the company to make a few bucks. When you ask your Lenovo machine to browse the web, you're not seeing the web, you're seeing a version edited by Lenovo's advertising partners. Sure, anyone here can beat it, but where else in the stack have they subverted your machine?

If you're even slightly concerned about data privacy and user freedom, please do not be complicit in Lenovo's continued existence.

[0] https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/6/16261988/lenovo-adware-sup...

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by verbify on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:35PM (#16788568)
Thinkpads weren't affected [source] (https://support.lenovo.com/lu/en/product_security/superfish).

You're welcome to boycott the company, but the corporate models are protected.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by closeparen on Sunday April 08, 2018 @06:01PM (#16788719)
One might boycott a restaurant because they don't like its political activism, labor and sourcing practices, etc. This is much simpler than that. Lenovo served poisoned food. Not as a food-safety oversight, but as a matter of policy. The fact that they only did it for some menu items is irrelevant.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by kenning on Sunday April 08, 2018 @08:04PM (#16789263)
A better comparison might be that they stole your credit card number. Lenovo did not kill anyone or endanger their lives
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by tischler on Monday April 09, 2018 @03:32AM (#16791087)
Stolen personal information which is later exposed in a data leak can certainly kill someone. In expectation it is less likely than food poisoning, but it still seems ridiculous to downplay the gravity of all of it.

That has got to be the most fucked up thing about capitalism: Correction signals are painfully slow, delayed and weak. You can mostly only penalize a company by boycotting their products (unless they seriously break a law), but for the individual, there is often more utility in continuing buying their products than in sending a corrective signal, so the overall signal mostly vanishes except for a small, intellectual minority that can afford extremely high moral standards.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by closeparen on Monday April 09, 2018 @11:29AM (#16793832)
No, this isn’t a fucked up thing about capitalism. If the state monopoly on computer production did this, you wouldn’t even be able to personally opt out. You’re not going to swing the votes of an electoral majority over a niche and technocratic issue.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by ianai on Sunday April 08, 2018 @06:56PM (#16788985)
Isn’t it possible the Thinkpad lines are managed by different people with different forms of corruption?
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by amerine on Sunday April 08, 2018 @07:02PM (#16789016)
Why would we care who the individuals were/are? Corporate personhood is a two way street. If THE company full-willingly serves poison pills without tellling you, why trust them at all? It’s a damn company, who obviously feels they don’t need your trust, so fuck em.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by fjsolwmv on Sunday April 08, 2018 @08:19PM (#16789331)
That's not what corporate personhood means
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by ianai on Sunday April 08, 2018 @07:13PM (#16789053)
Because it’s not like the group of people looking to install openBSD on something is really a deciding financial block. But we sure still have a right to look for the best available hardware for us.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by brian-armstrong on Sunday April 08, 2018 @07:05PM (#16789026)
They haven't done it as far as anyone knows
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by lloeki on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:10PM (#16788438)
IIRC the dev-beloved T- models were not affected though. (Can't find the reference right now though)
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by thetwan on Monday April 09, 2018 @10:27AM (#16793214)
Proposed alternatives?
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Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by ClassyJacket on Sunday April 08, 2018 @06:29PM (#16788852)
I care greatly and would never buy a Lenovo because of it.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by sevensor on Sunday April 08, 2018 @07:52PM (#16789211)
I have a collection of old ThinkPads going back to the R31. I loved ThinkPad -- Linux compatible, nice keyboard, trackpoint, the well thought out work light you could activate in the dark. But Lenovo lost my trust and have done nothing to regain it. I'm not buying another ThinkPad.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by jwatte on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:00PM (#16788367)
They did it twice (once in BIOS) and I care. Never again Lenovo!
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by aviraldg on Sunday April 08, 2018 @01:58PM (#16787308)
Do your co-workers not have issues with HiDPI support on Linux? I've heard it's not the best experience and can require quite some fiddling to get working correctly.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by shazow on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:54PM (#16787633)
The bad news: There's no unified HiDPI solution on Linux that works well end-to-end.

The good news: You don't really need one.

Bumping the font configuration fixes 80% of the scenarios, and the rest I tweak on a case-by-case basis. The good standards-conforming apps (e.g. modern terminals, browsers, etc) automatically multiply the font sizes by your screen DPI. Most desktop managers have a scale sliders for the GUI size, if you're into that. Some stragglers include Steam which recently added support for a 2x size multiplier (it's something, but not the best).

You kinda get exposed to how the sausage is made, but the sausage still tastes great.

Linux desktop is better than it ever was, but the road to perfection is long and eternal.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by eof on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:54PM (#16787990)
my system76 handles 4k perfectly
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by gurkendoktor on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:37PM (#16797577)
system76 actually ships a custom daemon that makes mixed LowDPI/HiDPI setups easier to manage, and I hope other distros will follow suit:

https://elementaryos.stackexchange.com/a/14234

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by jhoechtl on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:29PM (#16787488)
HiDPI on Linux is pretty much non existent. I am telling from experience. I have booth a decent 4K external monitor and a HiDPI IPS internal display. The only setup which is ok in the sense of least horrible is Gnome mutter Wayland with experimental per monitor fractional scaling enabled. And this one is only ok if you can restrict yourself to the few ported pure GTK3 Gnome apps. Which means not that much. No Firefox. No Chrome. No Thunderbird.

And the speed of fixing HiDPI on Linux has actually slowed down.

Frnakly, and I am a hard core Linux OSS fan - come back in two years and check again.

The Linux desktop IS dead.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by rossy on Sunday April 08, 2018 @08:23PM (#16789346)
Huh? I've been running a 2x/192dpi Linux/X11 laptop for a couple of years, and the experience has been near perfect. Hands down better than on Windows. Some DEs even detect the panel DPI and configure toolkit scaling automatically. Firefox and Chrome have been two of the most well-behaved apps, especially since they switched to GTK3, but it's not just GTK3 that is well-behaved, Qt5 is as well. Since most apps I use are Qt5 and some are GTK3, they all get crisp HiDPI rendering automatically from the toolkit.

So I'm not sure what you mean by "HiDPI on Linux is pretty much non existent." Maybe it gets worse if you need fractional scaling or displays with different scaling ratios, but these seem to things all platforms are struggling with. Microsoft only made built-in apps like File Explorer per-monitor-DPI aware in Windows 10 1703 (released a year ago), and macOS doesn't attempt fractional scaling (eg. 1.5x, 2.5x, etc.) at all.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by saltcured on Sunday April 08, 2018 @04:07PM (#16788063)
So, what exactly is it that you expect as "HiDPI" support which is missing? As far as I can recall, it has been possible to configure the actual physical size/DPI for a monitor for many, many years. Any properly functioning X application should then be able to draw things a correct size on the screen, e.g. fonts sized in points or images and figures scaled to actual widths. I think this infrastructure may even pre-date the switch from XFree86 to Xorg. Is your complaint that there are still some applications which ignore this monitor DPI metadata or which do other pixel-based techniques?

Like the previous poster, I stick to 1920x1080 on my 14-inch class Thinkpad. In my office I have dual 28-inch 4K monitors. These have identical dot pitch to my Thinkpad, so each monitor is like having a 2x2 array of my Thinkpad screens. When I made sure the monitors were set with the correct DPI, everything worked exactly as I would expect. Whatever rendered as one pixel on my laptop would also be one pixel on my workstation, and I just had 8 times more real estate on my dual monitor desktop. But, I sit further from the monitors than I do my laptop screen while also using them for much longer stretches of time. So, I adjusted the workstation to pretend it had higher DPI so that things would render a little bigger.

It's been a few years, but I think I may have had to separately adjust Firefox because it has some of its own weird assumptions about fonts and DPI that I assume come from their renderer straddling several different platforms. I also had to adjust emacs and xterm to change from my decades old fixed font preferences to start using scalable fonts.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by lloeki on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:15PM (#16788461)
Mix HiDPI screens and non HiDPI ones, lots of very real corner cases that you hit daily make the experience terrible in ways that can only be "fixed" through terrible hacks and tweaks, if at all.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by saltcured on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:38PM (#16788587)
OK, so I guess the problem comes from trying to fuse everything into one screen? In the old days, we would run X with separate screen numbers to get multiple outputs via multiple graphics cards. You could slide your mouse between screens, but you couldn't drag a window across or have a window spanning the two screens. Each window remained confined to one screen, and only a few apps knew how to open windows on more than one screen from the same app instance. (A few, like emacs, even understand opening windows on multiple displays!)

Out of curiosity, what is a non-broken behavior supposed to be if the screens are combined? Do people expect the low-dpi screen to be a blurry version of whatever would appear on the high-dpi screen, or do they expect it to act like a magnifier, perhaps with pan/zoom controls?

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by jhoechtl on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:44PM (#16788623)
> In the old days, we would run X with separate screen numbers to get multiple outputs via multiple graphics cards

Those days are gone. No matter how hard you try - either you are simply not runing on current hardware, have very modest expectations or close your eyes to realize that the Linux desktop in this regard is at least two years behind, minimum!

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by saltcured on Sunday April 08, 2018 @07:28PM (#16789121)
I am not arguing, I am genuinely wondering what you guys want. I have read multiple assertions that Linux is broken but no clear explanation of what it should be doing differently.

For reference, I have been using Linux continuously on all sorts of hardware since 1994. What I lack is any practical experience using modern Windows or Mac OS, so I have no idea what implicit expectations you may be bringing from those. The last time I ran Windows directly on hardware was before Windows 95 was released, and similarly my only real Mac experience was on monochrome classic Macs before OS X existed.

Over the years, I have used just about every sort of display hardware with Linux, ranging from serial terminals, Hercules monochrome graphics, 800x600 through 1600x1200 CRTs, the first wave of DVI-based LCDs, various HDTVs, the first DLP projectors, and my current dual 4K monitors. I was also involved in the early testing and deployment of 2D and 3D accelerators on Linux, as well as things like clusters driving arrays of projectors. We even had one of those IBM "Big Bertha" displays in our lab at one point, which was one of the first 300 DPI LCD monitors available. Just about the only thing I haven't used with Linux is head-mounted displays nor stereo glasses. My last involvement with VR was 20 years ago when SGI Onyx-based CAVE systems were prevalent in academia, combining head-tracking, active shutters, and multiple wall projectors.

But, to be honest, I have no use case to combine different DPI monitors into a single graphical screen or desktop. If I connect a laptop to a projector or display panel for presentations, I tend to just want to duplicate the presentation view on the internal screen. Otherwise, I use the laptop to be mobile and I use workstations with their dedicated displays.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by kuschku on Sunday April 08, 2018 @04:56PM (#16788340)
Try KDE on Wayland. Full support for HiDPI, full support for multiple monitors of different DPI even.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by jhoechtl on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:40PM (#16788594)
I did. I recently switched from KDE after more than 15! years to Gnome because KDE on Waykand is broken beyond usability. It comes for a reason that even Neon, which I used back then, doesn't come with Wayland out of the box.

And frankly, X is a dead end.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by kuschku on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:56PM (#16788694)
> broken beyond usability

Were you using Nvidia? On AMD and Intel it’s been working amazing for me so far, never had any issue. Nvidia is known for disobeying the standards.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by jhoechtl on Sunday April 08, 2018 @06:05PM (#16788739)
It's Intel and its not the pure hraphics but the ecosystem. Wanted to enter diacretics into Emacs? The quick search bar poped up instead an accent egu in Emacs (compose key). It's that sort of things, not directly bad display. The end result was nevertheless unusable though.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by gurkendoktor on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:48PM (#16797652)
HiDPI on Linux is only broken if you need fractional scaling, or different per-monitor scaling factors. If you stick to screens that work well at 200% (e.g. 4K on 24"), then current desktops will work just fine in my experience.

That sounds like a draconian restriction if you are coming from Windows 10, but OP is switching from macOS. Macs have traditionally used either 100% or 200% as well (except for the latest-gen MBP).

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by shmerl on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:54PM (#16787986)
Linux desktop is doing fine. But I prefer to avoid GTK when possible. It's years behind Qt. Some thing like Firefox are necessary though, but it's a pity it's stuck with GTK.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by denimnerd on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:01PM (#16787674)
linux desktop is isn’t dead.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by merb on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:24PM (#16788501)
The biggest problem in linux is not directly HiDPI. HiDPI works (mostly).

However if you can't use wayland you will have a problem when you need the following:

Multiple monitors with different screen resultions. Lets say your laptop has 4k and you use two external monitors with 1080p than it gets tricky with older wayland or x.org. However on later stable/edge channels most things are probably better than when I tested this and I even have a colleague which has a 13" xps with ubuntu which works pretty will with its docking station.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by nitrogen on Sunday April 08, 2018 @07:18PM (#16789079)
If you have a good GPU you can use the xrandr commandline tool to set up display scaling, so your secondary low-DPI screen is rendered at high DPI and scaled down. Then you only need one DPI setting for your DE.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by merb on Monday April 09, 2018 @05:02AM (#16791458)
Well, it‘s good that it „could“ work, however i expect it to work without searching the Internet for xrandr configs. (And as said newer Weston/Wayland work way better)
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by nitrogen on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @01:39AM (#16799243)
I agree; I post the fact that its possible more as a condemnation of the UI for not getting it right.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by pedrocr on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:18PM (#16787414)
2560x1440 doesn't even require HiDPI support really. Just increasing the font sizes is enough. The Ubuntu Unity desktop has abstracted away that in a single slider for a long time. Apparently the next GNOME version is going to go all the way and do non-integer scaling of controls as well but in my experience that's just a small benefit, just tweaking up the font sizes is more than enough.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by gkop on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:18PM (#16787421)
Surprisingly, both engineers on the 2560x1440 are happy! They run Ubuntu with a second screen at their desks (27” 2560x1440 external monitors). I’m actually the one that’s unhappy because their font size is too small for me to see when pairing ;)

BTW I think 2560x1440 may not be high enough to technically be considered HiDPI?

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by indemnity on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:38PM (#16787886)
As someone with a 2560x1440 (27”) display at work and a 5120x2880 (27”) display at home, the former is very much not HiDPI, not even close :)
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by maxnoe on Sunday April 08, 2018 @11:15PM (#16790048)
DPI is Dots per inch. It's a density. As a matter of fact, 2560×1440 on a 14" notebook display is nearly identical to 5120×2880 on a 27" display.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by indemnity on Wednesday April 18, 2018 @07:17AM (#16866342)
I'm talking about 2560x1440 on 27", as is GP, and comparing that resolution at 27" to the pixel doubled resolution at 27"?

108 PPI for the former is not HiDPI, which is my point.

I'm quite aware of pixel density, but thanks for the Wikipedia definition.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by MightySCollins on Sunday April 08, 2018 @04:43PM (#16788257)
I wish everything just used wayland and scaled correctly I am sick of having to launch chrome with an environment variable so it can run on one screen and having another instance for another. Also silly things like file dialogs not fitting. It's annoying when you look and the issues are all from years ago and still not fixed.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by SZJX on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:54AM (#16791902)
It's actually quite OK, with just some minor annoyances. Three scenarios for my use case:

1. Use the laptop screen only. This is easy. Just change the DPI value in my ~/.Xprofile and everything is solved.

2. Use external monitors only. Just use the default DPI value.

3. Use laptop screen in combination with external monitors. This doesn't occur hat often. But when I have to do this, there are also some ways to make it work. You can refer to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI for some reference.

- The first way is to increase the DPI in ~/.Xprofile and actually scale up the external monitor instead. I don't like this method since the external monitor just looks blurry for some reason.

- Or you can keep the DPI and downscale your internal monitor.

- Or, and this is what I do currently, use apps that support manually setting DPI in their settings, e.g. Firefox and Thunderbird, on the laptop display. You can also manually change font sizes of apps that you're going to use on the laptop display. This is a bit inconvenient but the display result will look totally natural.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by Symbiote on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:05PM (#16787353)
I have no problems on KDE for home use, I think the problems are mixing multiple screens with different pixel densities.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by digi_owl on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:59PM (#16787663)
Best i understand, the problem child is Gnome. The devs involved there basically ignore xorg provided DPI information, resulting in all kinds of problems.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by mixmastamyk on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:09PM (#16787379)
Works great with Mate.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by bonoetmalo on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:03PM (#16787336)
Gnome has always worked pretty well with High DPI. But yes Linux display managers are generally pretty bad, as I learned with my 1440p 13 inch laptop as recently as 2015.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by sridca on Sunday April 08, 2018 @08:10PM (#16789291)
I have a Thinkpad P71 and I run NixOS on it. Works great with a 5k monitor, and DPI is perfect.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by thomastjeffery on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:27PM (#16787826)
Most apps are written in GTK or Qt, which do scaling well.

The main issue is that scaling can't really be done on a per-display basis.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by paride5745 on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:25PM (#16787467)
This.

I'm on a ThinkPad t470s, amazing little machine, I love it more than my old MacBook Pro 2015.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by ledgerdev on Sunday April 08, 2018 @08:15PM (#16789319)
> I ditched the T5XX series when they borked the keyboard layout by adding a numpad

Let's hope this changes soon.

https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-T400-T500-and-newer-T/...

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-wants-to-release-a-new-...

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by smoyer on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:43PM (#16787579)
I'm a huge fan of the X1 Carbon
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by zepearl on Sunday April 08, 2018 @06:46PM (#16788919)
Using a Lenovo X1 Carbon (running Gentoo Linux) since ~1y and I absolutely love it - excellent battery runtimes (~6h with mixed programming activities, 8-10h if mostly idle, no crashes so far). Keyboard, touchpad and screen are fantastic. Threw it a couple of times (forgot I had it in my bag) onto my car's seat without repercussions (did the same with an XPS 13 but keyboard got skewed).
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by brockers on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:54PM (#16787980)
Same here, out entire dev shop is X1 Carbons on Linux.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by rkangel on Sunday April 08, 2018 @05:40PM (#16788599)
What sort of battery life do you get for normal dev activities?
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by eat_veggies on Sunday April 08, 2018 @08:11PM (#16789302)
I have the 5th gen x1c and I'd say 6-8ish hours if you use tlp or powertop, although I've never actually run it all the way down to zero battery before.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by therealdrag0 on Tuesday April 10, 2018 @08:13PM (#16806934)
X1 Carbon 3rd gen has been my personal laptop for 3 years and it's my favorite PC laptop.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by organsnyder on Sunday April 08, 2018 @09:56PM (#16789748)
I just replaced my T410 with a T480, and have been very pleased so far. Installed Debian on it without a hitch.

I got a model with the dGPU, and it's working fine so far—I only use the dGPU when I'm gaming on Windows. I might be losing some battery from not properly disabling the dGPU when running under Linux, but I haven't bothered to check yet (battery life has been good enough). The machine is very very fast.

One caveat on the T480: only the versions with the dGPU have two heat pipes—the iGPU models have one; therefore, apparently the dGPU model has better cooling, regardless of whether you're using the dGPU or not. The T480s has two heat pipes regardless of whether you have the dGPU or not.

The /r/thinkpad subreddit has a lot of conversations around the thermal engineering of each model—lots of information to consume there.

I greatly prefer my T480 to my work-issued Macbook Pro Retina—more ports (Ethernet!), more flexibility (I can configure it to not automatically go to sleep when I close the lid), and a vastly better keyboard. It's also easier to service and more upgradable. I was able to get seven+ years out of my T410, and I intend to do the same with my T480 (at least that's what I told my wife, to justify the cost... :-D ).

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by Light2Yellow on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:39AM (#16791837)
Regarding Infinality: note that it's long deprecated and unmaintained, and it will break freetype2 stuff.

See <https://gist.github.com/cryzed/e002e7057435f02cc7894b9e748c5...

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by gkop on Monday April 09, 2018 @04:54PM (#16796907)
The gist 404s. Is there an alternative that has emerged?
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by locusm on Monday April 09, 2018 @10:05PM (#16798486)
Lisa Gades review of the T480, T480S and X1 Carbon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOsERJzMhLc
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by aagha on Monday April 09, 2018 @09:12PM (#16798271)
If you also get an account at perksatwork.com, you can get 30-45% off a T-series.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by linkmotif on Sunday April 08, 2018 @02:52PM (#16787622)
I don’t really understand how people overlook the whole Chinese government thing with regard to Lenovo. Can someone shed light on this? I would be very uncomfortable using Lenovo, and I’m not even a huge privacy person. But Lenovos must be bugged by the Chinese. How could they not be?
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by LordDragonfang on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:54PM (#16787989)
I'm confused as to why anyone would strongly believe something like this without any tangible evidence. For one thing, there are hundreds of hardware hackers that look for things like this, so it seems like if it were an issue one of them would have found evidence of it. For another, China knows this and wouldn't want to risk their global reputation in trade for something (spying on average citizens) that would have very little payoff compared to the long-term economic damage it would do.

Besides, as another commentator pointed out, if you're going to be worried about a country spying on you, it should at least be your own country.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by forapurpose on Sunday April 08, 2018 @04:03PM (#16788040)
There is a lot of tangible evidence of Chinese government engaging in mass hacking. It's not a courtroom; I don't have to wait for a smoking gun; maybe there already are some.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by SZJX on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:59AM (#16791930)
> But Lenovos must be bugged by the Chinese. How could they not be?

Instead of that, why don't you say Google must be bugged by the Americans. How could it not be? In fact, the main reason why the Chinese government banned Google is that all the data e.g. Gmails would be stored in a US server, which can be inspected by the American government any time if they want. It would be a nightmare for Chinese national security. Some other governments e.g. South Korea are realizing the same danger and are following suit by requiring their government/military officials to not use American services.

Compared with that, I'd say using Linux and having full control over the software is as private as you can get.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by confounded on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:40PM (#16787901)
Where would such a bug be?

If you’re installing Linux, that wipes out software bugs (seems the most likely place to me). Lenovo provide details about the components and design, which means you could verify/replace things if you like. ThinkPads are trusted enough by the USG for various uses (though they seem to prefer Dell).

Personally I’m more freaked out by Intel’s Management Engine.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by forapurpose on Sunday April 08, 2018 @04:05PM (#16788053)
> If you’re installing Linux, that wipes out software bugs

Linux would address OS bugs, and it brings bugs of its own. All your applications also could be exploited.

> Intel’s Management Engine

That and other pre-boot subsystems are exploitable by adversaries.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by EpicEng on Sunday April 08, 2018 @04:38PM (#16788231)
Nothing you said is specific to Lenovo.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by forapurpose on Sunday April 08, 2018 @10:40PM (#16789908)
The parent makes no sense to me.
Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by SkyMarshal on Sunday April 08, 2018 @03:06PM (#16787695)
I think the same thing every time I see someone on HN recommend Lenovo. Glad someone is calling it out.

That said, if you're not Chinese/in China, the Chinese govt has little/no power over you, and probably isn't sharing what they collect on you with your govt, which does.

Re:Ask HN: Are there any reasonable alternatives to MacBook ... by O_H_E on Monday April 09, 2018 @06:20AM (#16791758)
Thinkpads are used in the ISS (International Space Station)