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Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by freeone3000 on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:23PM (#16777044)
You're arguing that the knowledge being public is somehow different from truth. I disagree with this - facts must be available. Google must be a source of information. Search engines are the interface to the web - removing information from a search engine is tantamount to erasing it from memory. The idea that people have the right to hide their pasts is a ridiculous assertion - it goes against freedom of speech, it goes against freedom of the press in the most literal sense, and it benefits people who truly did bad things the most.

If I made an offensive tweet in 2007, I'd stand by it, and assert that it's my tweet but I'm also a different person. Personal integrity would demand no less. Hiding behind a "privacy" law to conceal something you shouted from the rooftops in 2007 is a disingenuous position to take.

Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by yulaow on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:40PM (#16777204)
Counter-example: What if someone accused you of raping her/him and that news remains online close to your name because it's a typical scandal and heavily reported but, when it is proven that you didn't commit the crime, there is no news reporting it because it's not a clicky article?

It happens frequently, not only with rape, but with any false accusation of a major crime... Typically there are a lot of articles about it but if you are proven innocent no main source reports it.

Now, would you want that information to remain online and to appear instantly anytime some HR look for your name after reading it in your cv?

Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by losteric on Friday April 06, 2018 @04:54PM (#16777337)
Counter solution: Outlaw publishing suspect names until after they are convicted.

This model is used by other nations because regulating publications prevents both short and long-term harm while still preserving access to the truth.

Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by astura on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:21PM (#16778364)
Seems like a very dangerous road to go down.

My parents abused me, however, they were never convicted of a crime in a court of law because nobody ever reported them. The statue of limitations has almost certainly passed by now so they are unable to be convicted. Are you suggesting it should be illegal for me to say that my parents abused me?

Same with Bill Cosby's accusers, the statue of limitations has passed on all of those. Should those women really not be legally allowed to have their voices heard?

I can't see this leading anywhere except an authoritarian regeme where court proceedings are conducted in secret - after all, the suspect is being publicly accused on crime in court.

Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by nradov on Friday April 06, 2018 @09:53PM (#16778984)
I think losteric was proposing a confidentiality rule that would only apply to the government, not to private citizens.
Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by itronitron on Saturday April 07, 2018 @12:43AM (#16779401)
and government employees never reveal high-interest confidential information /s
Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by shakna on Friday April 06, 2018 @05:03PM (#16777420)
And what happens when the false conviction is overturned?
Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by gray_-_wolf on Friday April 06, 2018 @05:44PM (#16777733)
In that case make it required by law to publish apology following same format as was the original article. Did you print the false claim on title page of newspaper? Same place, same size for and apology. Same with web articles. That should at least make it searchable by engines.
Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by shakna on Friday April 06, 2018 @05:59PM (#16777835)
That information has already been dissiminated. And usually has a higher hit-rate than any correction.

We know employers can and have discriminated against individuals where convictions have been overturned.

Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by losteric on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:08PM (#16778281)
Relevancy is a problem that firmly falls under Google's responsibility... and businesses must be punished for discriminating over incomplete background checks.

However, I don't think the false conviction should be hidden - what if they were guilty and there's a crimes down the road? That information could be useful for the public.

Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by astura on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:39PM (#16778466)
Saying "X was convicted of Y" is not a "false claim," when X really was convicted of Y. If X's conviction is later overturned, that's additional information, but it doesn't make the original information false.

Nobody owes anyone an apology.

Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by tannhauser23 on Friday April 06, 2018 @05:48PM (#16777769)
This is not a universally adopted solution, and for good reason. Publishing the suspect's name/face as well as the details of the alleged crime encourages witnesses to come forward. Plus, from a free speech perspective, it seems crazy to criminalize the publishing of true information, especially when it directly relates to public safety and the government's exercise of its police powers.
Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by mjevans on Friday April 06, 2018 @06:47PM (#16778157)
Saying investigators are interested in the details surrounding individuals at the time of a crime (and presenting those individuals, not even as suspects, but merely as 'persons for which additional information is desired') is a truthful and accurate statement and does not assert any actual accusation of guilt. As such a fact it should be part of the public record regarding such a matter.
Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by petre on Saturday April 07, 2018 @02:30AM (#16779652)
Society will treat you as a convicted criminal even if you're a suspect.
Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by losteric on Friday April 06, 2018 @07:04PM (#16778255)
Publishing names and faces as established criminals is inherently contradictory with an impartial jury of your peers.

Faces, I can see that but journalists must be very explicit... "This is the suspect who allegedly did xyz".

Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by joesb on Friday April 06, 2018 @05:55PM (#16777804)
What if the final verdict is also in news reporting but your accussor want it the final verdict news to be forgotten?
Re:Google seeks to limit ‘right to be forgotten’ by claiming... by itronitron on Saturday April 07, 2018 @12:40AM (#16779389)
Platform owners are constantly changing things, removing content, and revising their TOS to take away any and all control from individuals. Is there any doubt as to how this is going to end?