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Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by kbutler on Saturday March 31, 2018 @10:30AM (#16723430)
> An audiologist friend told me to go to an ENT physician if not better by 48 hours or the damage could be permanent. Much longer than that and it would be too late to try any of the interventions

This seems like poor advice. If there is significant, realistic concern about permanent damage, I'd suggest checking immediately, rather than give it extra time...

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by cian on Saturday March 31, 2018 @10:37AM (#16723455)
Yes, I always find it amazing how patients can have a sudden sensorineural hearing loss and wait days before presenting.

In my opinion patients and the public should treat it as urgently as a sudden sight loss.

High dose steroids are regularly prescribed in this sort of scenario in an attempt to minimize damage, and are likely to be more effective the sooner they are given.

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by autokad on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:08AM (#16723591)
After hurting my neck in the shower, Me calling primary care: The earliest we can see you is next Tuesday Me skipping primary care & going to ER instead: After a 2 hour wait, I get condescendingly asked: why didn't you go to your primary care?

That's why patients wait days before presenting.

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by astura on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:53AM (#16723768)
Then you get the $10,000+ bill because your insurance won't cover ER visits for non-emergencies

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2017/10/16/anthem...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/1/29/16906558/a...

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by raverbashing on Saturday March 31, 2018 @03:02PM (#16724603)
Or you live in a country with no BS medical pricing, take 2 zeros from that value and you get a more realistic pricing estimate for places in Europe (or pretty much elsewhere, probably lower, apart from Japan and Australia, I'd say)
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by charliesome on Saturday March 31, 2018 @10:08PM (#16726317)
In Australia presenting at ER is free, for any reason.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by raverbashing on Sunday April 01, 2018 @11:02AM (#16728610)
Thanks for the clarification (though if it's a non-emergency your wait might be longer - but that is valid regardless of the country)
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by gcb0 on Sunday April 01, 2018 @10:45AM (#16728528)
and still don't get care. the us is a joke.

went to ER, they took a single xray, 5hours later doctor shows up and say "yeah its broken, we will put a temporary useless immobiliser worse than the one you came in with. here's the phone number of a specialist you can try calling monday". it was $4k for out of pocket btw. my top of the line insurance just said "we can't dispute anything from er visits".

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by downandout on Saturday March 31, 2018 @02:08PM (#16724362)
Several years ago I was visiting my mom on vacation. I took her to the ER after I was sure she had a stroke. The doctor came in, didn’t listen to anything either she or I had to say, and wrote off her statement that she could only “see half of [the doctor’s] head” as a joke. He told her that she was fine, maybe just a little dehydrated, and that the fact that I brought her to the ER for such a problem represented everything that is wrong with today’s healthcare system. He was essentially calling me an idiot for bringing her.

Concerned my mother hadn’t improved and was being discharged, I called my sister, who happened to be a nurse upstairs at the same hospital. She came down and explained to the doctor that my mother was having a “visual disturbance”. As soon as that terminology was used, they took her for an MRI and sure enough, she had indeed had a stroke and was immediately admitted. This was after 4 hours of wasted time and an attempted discharge - simply because the doctor refused to listen and would only go by symptoms.

The doctor never apologized for his comments. While I wound up feeling justified in this case, had my sister not intervened, I would likely never have taken her to the ER again unless she was unconscious or bleeding.

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by Tomis02 on Sunday April 01, 2018 @03:37AM (#16727214)
Did you lodge a complaint against the doctor? Just curious.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by downandout on Sunday April 01, 2018 @04:52AM (#16727402)
I wanted to, but my sister worked at the same hospital and was afraid it might ultimately affect her job or at least her social life there if we did. So I just let it go.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by jjnoakes on Saturday March 31, 2018 @12:23PM (#16723889)
If you have urgent care near you, that is a good situation for it.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by asfasgasg on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:17AM (#16723632)
Given the choice between losing my hearing and a slightly unpleasant interaction with a service professional, I would typically choose the latter.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by nemo1618 on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:26AM (#16723659)
That's a bit uncharitable. The choice is rarely as clear as that. It's often hard to know whether an affliction is serious enough to warrant immediate attention. So the person must weigh the risk of delaying immediate treatment against the inconvenience and embarrassment of an unnecessary ER visit.

It will be really nice when everyone has access to a medical AI that can assess these things instantly wherever you are.

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by jjoonathan on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:57AM (#16723791)
> inconvenience and embarrassment

And cost, now that insurance is playing the "we only cover ER visits that were necessary in hindsight" game.

For those of us at the top of the pleb pyramid it's not so bad, but for the average person, a single mistake can be ruinous.

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by w00kie on Saturday March 31, 2018 @12:15PM (#16723856)
Japan has a nice system: when you're not sure your issue is bad enough to call 119 (Japanese version of 911), you can call 7119 which will tell you if it's really an emergency and you need an ambulance or if you should just rest and see a doctor in the morning.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by BuildTheRobots on Saturday March 31, 2018 @12:32PM (#16723928)
We have similar in the UK (NHS 111) - but because they're rather err on the side of caution, they usually refer you to A&E anyway.

They do seem to have some sway over the GPs though - Rather than A&E, they've refereed me to the Doctors instead. When I said it's impossible to get an appointment 111 told me to tell the Doctors they've referred me. At that point the Doctors seem to _have_ to see you the same day.

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by johnchristopher on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:09AM (#16723601)
I experienced an audio trauma when I was 17. Tinnitus followed. Parents told me "let's wait a week or two and if it isn't gone away then we'll make an appointment". Once the verdict of definitive hear loss and permanent noise was confirmed my dad told me: "don't stay too close to hammers next time".

To this day I still wait until I can't move/breath/feel to go to the doctor.

edit: unfordable health care and/or bad money education is how people end up putting health to the bottom of the list.

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by Symbiote on Saturday March 31, 2018 @05:33PM (#16725286)
Europeans know American adults don't have free healthcare.

If you really want to shock a European, tell them that American children don't have free heathcare either.

(I remember discovering this when I was about 14, on holiday in the US, when my younger brother caught pneumonia.)

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by johnchristopher on Sunday April 01, 2018 @01:19AM (#16726855)
Well, I am European (and living in a country with one of the best coverage).
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by ThrowawayP on Saturday March 31, 2018 @01:05PM (#16724093)
> Yes, I always find it amazing how patients can have a sudden sensorineural hearing loss and wait days before presenting.

Having gone to the physician with complaints many times and be told to wait to see if the issue goes away (most of them didn't) or that there's nothing to be done about it, one is quickly trained not to bother going to a physician for anything short of a major injury.

(And this behavior is from a physician who is a Ph.D at a teaching hospital, no less.)

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by mannykannot on Saturday March 31, 2018 @10:48AM (#16723508)
As I am not a doctor, I have always assumed that weird sesorimotor effects might be indicative of a stroke - though in this case, the author had an apparent cause.

It puts me in mind of the Cuban embassy thing...

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by sizzle on Saturday March 31, 2018 @02:02PM (#16724338)
You take healthcare for granted. Not everyone can be seen in 24 hours.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by beenBoutIT on Sunday April 01, 2018 @01:31AM (#16726894)
If you're looking for something with a profound anti-inflammatory effect you can get more out of high potency CBD(Cannabidiol) than from high potency steroids. Side effects are generally less with the CBD, although it's exponentially more expensive.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by ryandrake on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:24AM (#16723654)
It’s often a cost/risk trade off. A lot of things do fix themselves with time and if you default to going right to the doctor every time you’re injured or feel sick it’s going to cost a fortune, unless you have some kind of gold plated insurance. Some things have to be looked at right away, but for some things it’s unnecessary, and it can pay to wait it out.

(of course the above reasoning is pretty specific to the USA— could be different for people in more civilized places)

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by astura on Saturday March 31, 2018 @12:14PM (#16723850)
It's not even a cost, I have free healthcare through the military and I hesitate to visit doctors. First off, 99% of the time whatever it is fixes itself with time. Going to the doctor requires lots of time and effort, outside urgent care or the ER you're going to have to be going during the workday. Then they might refer you to other doctors and each one wants more and more of your time. I know a guy who goes to the doctor every time he has a viral infection to get antibiotics. Then he has to go back for different antibiotics because he doesn't feel better right away. That seems like a lot of effort when the alternative is doing nothing for the same outcome.

The other big issue I have with doctors, I don't know if they are going to prescribe me some bullshit because the real treatment is "you'll get better with time" or the real answer is "there's nothing we can do about that." Or, much worse, something that they believe will help you but is not evidence based. Before you get upset - I once had an MD refer me to a (licensed) physical therapist for craniosacral therapy (complete woo) which billed it to my insurance as something like "physical manipulations."

It's also just how I was raised, when I grew up, my parents would say "we'll see if it gets better," and it always did. When I grew up and starting visiting the doctor for things at the advice of others it didn't improve my health outcomes yet significantly increased my annoyance level.

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by eaandkw2 on Saturday March 31, 2018 @12:59PM (#16724055)
Going to war in Iraq a few times I have heard and experienced a lot of loud sounds. Being about 20m away from the impact of a 105mm canon from an AC-130 was pretty loud. Being right next to a M1 Abrams was probably the worst. A Marine near me actually had a collapsed lung from being in the blast zone. I also RSO’d for a range that shot off 41 SMAW rockets. I had a bad headache for a couple of days after that. Then there was that time that I parked my LAV-25 about 100m from an artillery battery right before they fired a mission where they had to be using a charge 8 or something because a kept losing my train of thought for a minute or so every time they fired a volley.

And yes my hearing is pretty bad now. Hopefully I can get hearing aid later on.

Edit: changed ear plugs to hearing aid.

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Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by dang on Saturday March 31, 2018 @05:00PM (#16725147)
A personal attack like this is a bannable offence on Hacker News. We've had to warn you about this before. If you do it again, we will ban you.

It's fine to have anti-war views (as do many in the military, btw). Not fine to take them out on a fellow community member.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by skellera on Saturday March 31, 2018 @02:06PM (#16724352)
We’re not here for these kinds of comments. His comment was on topic and you’re just trying to start an argument.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by golemotron on Saturday March 31, 2018 @10:42AM (#16723478)
What are the interventions?
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by hh3k0 on Saturday March 31, 2018 @10:57AM (#16723546)
As Cian pointed out: high-dose steroids.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by Filligree on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:03AM (#16723568)
Why do they help?
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by acjohnson55 on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:07AM (#16723588)
I don't know if it's conclusively known, other than inflammation in response to the injury tends to exacerbate the damage to the inner ear.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0012465/

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by phkahler on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:50AM (#16723756)
A friends daughter got a brain injury from a car-pedestrian accident. He learned a lot, and told me his take away: If you hit your head and have any concern about it, take Ibuprofen to prevent swelling/inflamation and drive to Ann Arbor (we're in Michigan but that's over an hour away). The first part made sense, the second he said that town and UofM are known for treating that kind of thing. He has them in such high regard that it's worth the drive not even knowing who you're going to see ahead of time!?!?!?
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by hh3k0 on Saturday March 31, 2018 @02:54PM (#16724562)
Hm -- the website of Mayo Clinic says that you should avoid Ibuprofen if you might have a concussion, as they may increase the risk of bleeding.

"Avoid other pain relievers such as ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin IB, others) and aspirin, as these medications may increase the risk of bleeding."

See: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/concussion/di...

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by Someone on Saturday March 31, 2018 @06:14PM (#16725441)
One of the challenges in first aid treatment for stroke is “is it ischemic or hemorrhagic?”. The symptoms are similar, but the treatments almost the reverse of each other. Do you want to increase clotting to stop the bleeding, or decrease clotting to keep an existing brain clot small?

Sometimes (for example if it would take hours to bring the patient to a MRI/CT machine) an educated guess as to the answer is the optimal strategy.

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by acjohnson55 on Saturday March 31, 2018 @08:17PM (#16725927)
Wow, that's really good info. So I guess the answer is get to a hospital asap where they can do some imaging.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by phkahler on Sunday April 01, 2018 @08:49AM (#16728006)
"Avoid other pain relievers such as ibuprofen (Advil, Motrin IB, others) and aspirin, as these medications may increase the risk of bleeding."

Wow. Did I misremember and he said Tylenol (acetaminophen)? This is bothering me now, I don't like to carry bad bits of wisdom around!

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by beenBoutIT on Sunday April 01, 2018 @01:44AM (#16726937)
Prescription Ibuprofen actually carries a Black Box Warning about increased stroke and heart attack risk in general. The OTC version never got the updated warning.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by meganibla on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:07AM (#16723587)
Prevent Inflammation of course.
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by trendia on Saturday March 31, 2018 @11:16AM (#16723630)
And NAC to prevent oxidative damage.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2808688/

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by beenBoutIT on Sunday April 01, 2018 @01:49AM (#16726948)
As odd as it may sound, Amphetamine is a key part of 'one of the most promising pharmacological strategies studied for recovery after stroke'. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14960125/
Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by ilkan on Saturday March 31, 2018 @06:42PM (#16725557)
Protip: NAC prevents hangovers. I take one before and one after if I'm expecting an epic night out. The downside is, I don't get drunk so all the drink spend is wasted money. The upside, I come across as impervious instead of naturally being the lightweight of the group. Very useful when hanging out with alcoholic salespeople if you need to work the next day.

Test it out before you need it because the taste/smell makes some people puke like crazy for half an hour...

Re:I almost lost my hearing from the lid on the tank of a to... by jorde on Saturday March 31, 2018 @04:19PM (#16724983)
Dortor specialized in hearing loss told me to "overdose" on vitamin C as high levels apparently raise blood pressure and thus lead to more blood flow in ears which should help on the recovery of the hairs. There's also pressure tank treatment but I doubt one would get access to one in time. And time is at essence when it comes to hearing loss.