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Re:Neural Network Quine by ttul on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:09PM (#16631020)
What’s the significance of this paper?
Re:Neural Network Quine by crazyoscarchang on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:39PM (#16631298)
It's mostly interesting from an artificial life perspective. I'm just going to quote from the motivations sections here:

Biological life began with the first self-replicator (Marshall, 2011), and natural selection kicked in to favor organisms that are better at replication, resulting in a self-improving mechanism. Analogously, we can construct a self-improving mechanism for artificial intelligence via natural selection if AI agents had the ability to replicate and improve themselves without additional machinery.

Neural networks are capable of learning powerful representations across many different domains of data (Bengio et al., 2013). But can a neural network learn a good representation of itself? Self-replication involves some level of self-awareness, and is a small step towards developing introspective capabilities in neural networks.

In a HyperNetwork (Ha et al., 2017), a small recurrent neural network is used to generate the weights for a larger one, which can be viewed as a meta-controller enforcing a soft weight-sharing constraint between layers of a recurrent neural network. Similarly, we can view self-replication as a mechanism that enforces a soft weight-sharing constraint between a network and past versions of itself, which is helpful for lifelong learning (Silver et al., 2013) and potential discovery of new neural network architectures.

Learning how to enhance or diminish the ability for AI programs to self-replicate is useful for computer security. For example, we might want an AI to be able to execute its source code without being able to read or reverse-engineer it, either through its own volition or interaction with an adversary.

Self-replication functions as the ultimate mechanism for self-repair in damaged physical systems (Zykov et al., 2005). The same may apply to AI, where a self-replication mechanism can serve as the last resort for detecting damage, or returning a damaged or out-of-control AI system back to normal.

Re:Neural Network Quine by romaniv on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @05:37PM (#16632936)
>Biological life began with the first self-replicator

I never understood why people assume that those biological self-replicators were in any way analogous to quines. Quines generate information from within themselves. Proto-life would have to assemble copies of itself from molecules available in the environment. It seems like completely different principles of work.

Re:Neural Network Quine by justinpombrio on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @07:12PM (#16633693)
> Proto-life would have to assemble copies of itself from molecules available in the environment.

Quines also live in an environment: the programming language they're written in. It's a very different _kind_ of environment; for instance the physical world has preservation of mass while it's really easy to copy bits. But both quines and proto-life can only replicate in the right environment, and they do so via an interaction between the information contained in themselves and the environment in which they are embedded. They seem quite analogous to me.

Re:Neural Network Quine by mjburgess on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @02:24AM (#16635948)
A rock is analogues to a car from the point of view of a child.

That's the problem with analogies: they are observer-dependent.

A quine shares no causal property with DNA.

Re:Neural Network Quine by TeMPOraL on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @02:50AM (#16636058)
Oh, but it does, if you treat "assembling a copy of yourself from atoms in the environment" as equivalent to the implementation details of printing to standard output.
Re:Neural Network Quine by mjburgess on Sunday March 25, 2018 @03:11AM (#16671136)
> causal property

"assembling a copy of yourself" is a description you are imposing on a series of events.

The events in the case of a digital computer are certain oscillations to the electric field. That shares nothing with the chemical assembly of biological material

Re:Neural Network Quine by mjburgess on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @02:23AM (#16635943)
The whole field of artificial intelligence is missold on analogy.

"Neurons" arent neurons. Replication isnt replication.

AI proponents speak of photographs of animals made of ink (electrical fields in silicon) as-if they were themselves animals. Inviting us to marvel at how life-like the piece of paper is.

Re:Neural Network Quine by TeMPOraL on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @02:51AM (#16636065)
The "assembling of a copy" is implemented by a combination of printing to standard output and compiling (and running) the resulting program - both of which are parts of the environment, not of the quine.
Re:Neural Network Quine by teraflop on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @03:49AM (#16636261)
If you're interested, there's an entire section of the book Godel, Escher, Bach that talks about exactly this connection. (Chapter 16, "Self-Ref and Self-Rep")
Re:Neural Network Quine by jachee on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:02PM (#16633142)
The title was updated in the last 3 hours to include the word quine instead of self-replicator. GP comment was written in the previous context.
Re:Neural Network Quine by burkaman on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:43PM (#16631338)
1. It's cool.

2. "We suggest that a self-replication mechanism for artificial intelligence is useful because it introduces the possibility of continual improvement through natural selection."

Re:Neural Network Quine by visarga on Wednesday March 21, 2018 @01:46AM (#16635781)
> What’s the significance of this paper?

We're progressing from static neural nets (like the old TensorFlow) to dynamic nets (like PyTorch) and even dynamically generated on-the-fly neural nets (hypernets) which is great for creating architectures that better fit the problem, case by case.

This paper shows another way to generate a net from a net, but this time with self replication. Self replication could be useful for evolutionary optimisation, and, as they say in the paper, could become a rudimentary form of introspection. The idea of a "self-replication loss term" is very exciting, it's rare that we see such innovation in loss functions.

Re:Neural Network Quine by TekMol on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:36PM (#16631279)
Sex sells.
Re:Neural Network Quine by stanfordkid on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @03:25PM (#16631724)
Would be interesting to use this as a training algorithm -- have multiple self-replicating networks that mate and copy portions of their weights in random patterns... eerie.
Re:Neural Network Quine by Choco31415 on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:45PM (#16632441)
We already have the mating part with NeatAI. Link: http://nn.cs.utexas.edu/downloads/papers/stanley.ec02.pdf

Essentially it's a neural network which is represented by a series of genes. Genetically, new genes come in by having new links form between neurons, disabled, or split (with an in between neuron). This, as you can see, allows for a wide range of network representations. Because these variations are tagged with id's sequentially, we can mate two neural networks by combining their genes in order. They never conflict, and will produce something similar to both parents.

Re:Neural Network Quine by RosanaAnaDana on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @04:34PM (#16632317)
Create fitness vectors based on their performance over to different problem types to create competition in the environment.
Re:Neural Network Quine by shoo on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @02:58PM (#16631490)
haha. alas, paper appears to cover asexual reproduction of neural networks only
Re:Neural Network Quine by avip on Tuesday March 20, 2018 @06:05PM (#16633162)
That'll be fixed when the Uni PR department issues the press release.