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Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by austincheney on Friday March 16, 2018 @07:39PM (#16604766)
Have any of you guys deployed to a combat zone? For us fobbits (people hopelessly stranded to the safety of the forward operating base) all the stresses of daily life are gone.

There is no commute, no worrying about what to eat, what to wear, picking up kids, or anything else that consumes a normal person's time. In a way it is kind of like a vacation. You have so much disposable time to spend on hobbies, exercise, or education.

It is very much like being in prison, except that I am not afraid of my fellow inmates. It is strange though, because you don't get to pick your friends, much like prison. I suspect the fellow fobbits are substantially more educated on average than a typical prison population and probably generally healthier physically and mentally. You would be surprised, though, at just how mentally unhealthy many of your coworkers are when you are around them long enough to really see it.

Unless you are extremely ambitious and psychotically disciplined that much downtime grates on your soul. Being deployed for too long can be depressing and you cannot escape a certain amount of emotional isolation. It is also weird having a spouse and children and yet living apart for a year or more like a single person.

The long term consequence of the environment is an unhealthy dose of apathy. If you are too bored for too long you really don't care about most anything. Unfortunately, the environment provides little motivation to care as you are less likely to die in a combat zone stuck on a fob than driving to work in the civilian world.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by freedomben on Saturday March 17, 2018 @12:43AM (#16605642)
Fascinating, I experienced this also. The boredom really rots your mind. At one point we began converting t-shirts into whips and practiced whipping at all the flies (man was there an abundance of flies). After many months of this you can get amazingly accurate. Most of us could easily take out flies who had landed, and the elites could nail the bastards in the air while they flew.

We had an interesting problem develop where people were going to the medic tent and getting prescribed Ambien for sleep, but then they would stay up after taking it. It makes you feel really drunk, and it was the only escape from the drudgery. This substance abuse may have ironically saved our sanity.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by wallace_f on Saturday March 17, 2018 @01:33AM (#16605729)
What about video games, board games, or study for the MCAT (or another exam). Would you be able to do those things?
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by austincheney on Saturday March 17, 2018 @09:18AM (#16606828)
Some locations have major video game centers. There are tons of free used novels to read. I always recommend soldiers carry a primary novel on their person and a secondary novel in their gear if they are traveling. It is not always convenient to get into your gear and pull out a laptop, but a novel can be easily slipped in and out of your cargo pocket.

I refined my programming skills developing a personal open source software tool over two deployments. Two deployments was almost enough to transform me from a junior developer into a strong senior. I also passed the CISSP exam on the first try because I had time to read the entire course book and think about the qualifying management scenarios.

You absolutely have to find a way to say busy. Boredom reinforces your loneliness and lack of emotional intimacy, which is a bad place to be in.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by hudibras on Saturday March 17, 2018 @02:40PM (#16608357)
Kindles are great, too.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by qrbLPHiKpiux on Saturday March 17, 2018 @05:57AM (#16606237)
We played Sequence all the time.

Tallil, Iraq, 2008

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by dempseye on Saturday March 17, 2018 @11:02AM (#16607250)
Ah yes, the old Ambien trick.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by chrisseaton on Friday March 16, 2018 @07:54PM (#16604828)
> It is very much like being in prison, except that I am not afraid of my fellow inmates.

I don't know - our fellow FOB inmates (Afghan security forces) kept turning on us and shooting people.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by SlowRobotAhead on Friday March 16, 2018 @09:09PM (#16605080)
My buddy had to shoot their translator. Funny how you don’t see things like that on the news.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by dogruck on Friday March 16, 2018 @10:47PM (#16605356)
Whoa, more details? That’s wild.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by SlowRobotAhead on Saturday March 17, 2018 @01:11AM (#16605684)
I’m probably not supposed to.... but... Their guy took them to a spot, they camped out, he came back with an AK that night, he wasn’t supposed to, they saw him coming from the wrong direction, he raised the rifle up, one or two of them watched the whole thing through NODs. They found out other info on the guy later.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by vkou on Saturday March 17, 2018 @02:44AM (#16605865)
This sort of thing has also happened to a general.[1] It's the nature of guerrilla warfare.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_J._Greene

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by austincheney on Friday March 16, 2018 @08:00PM (#16604860)
I remember that being a huge concern between my second and third deployments, but this was several years ago. Is the green on blue still a common problem? Sexual assaults used to occur in a higher frequency than you would suspect in FOB environments particularly around certain NATO allies as well.

Even with these insider threats and the periodic rocket attacks daily life was still hopelessly dull. I remember people willing to cut off their arms to experience the misery of combat just to get off the FOB.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by chrisseaton on Friday March 16, 2018 @08:07PM (#16604887)
This was years ago, but we even lost our Regimental Sergeant Major (our equivalent of Command Sergeant Major) to it so nobody was safe.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by edraferi on Saturday March 17, 2018 @01:50PM (#16608123)
Yup. Fobbit life is sleepy as hell until green on blue breaks out. This is why you carry guns to your desk job.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by chrisseaton on Saturday March 17, 2018 @01:59PM (#16608166)
> Fobbit life is sleepy as hell

What does FOB mean to you people? In the UK military a FOB is a little base with maybe twenty to a hundred people in, planted in an area surrounded by the enemy, designed for you to patrol out from it and dominate the ground. Sleepy wasn't how I'd describe it. Sleep-less more like. I worked 16 hour days for seven months and dealt with people being killed and maimed daily.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by notadev on Saturday March 17, 2018 @11:06AM (#16607273)
I was in the Navy. Life on ships is pretty much the same. You sort of go on autopilot and your entire existence is within the skin of the ship. My parents used to complain that I never called them or e-mailed that often, but they didn't understand that in that kind if environment it's easy to just forget about everything else. The other thing is that distance makes the heart grow fonder, so seeing family when you return just feels amazing, similar to what I imagine being released from prison feels like.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by hudibras on Saturday March 17, 2018 @02:36PM (#16608339)
I did a sea tour in engineering on an aircraft carrier, and we would get in the routine of standing watch, eat, go work on paperwork in the office, sleep, work out, eat, stand watch, repeat for days and days on end. Not in a bad way, I didn't mind it, I was young, it just got to be routine to spend your entire existence within a sphere of around 150 meters or so. After a while, me and my friends realized that it was unhealthy, so we started going outside to get some sun and watch the airplanes landing and taking off.

And then, on a later topside tour, I was standing 3-section watches and then one of the other guys transferred so we went to 2-section watches (port and starboard) while I trained the new guy. The problem was that the new guy was also my roommate on the ship. So we'd stand watch for 6 hours together, go eat together, go back to the stateroom and sleep at the same time (in bunk beds, of course), wake up, eat, go back on watch together. Except for bathroom breaks, we literally spent 24 hours a day together. It only took 3 or so days of that before we were both begging for the sweet release of death...

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by JoeAltmaier on Saturday March 17, 2018 @11:11AM (#16607289)
My brother-in-law, a Master Chief, said this of deployment: "It's like Groundhog Day every day. To get through it, you just Do the Next Thing and don't think about anything else."
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by NavyNuke on Sunday March 18, 2018 @10:25AM (#16612043)
> "My parents used to complain that I never called them or e-mailed that often, but they didn't understand that in that kind if environment it's easy to just forget about everything else."

I was on a submarine and what you've described was what I experienced as well. Add not seeing the sun for 90 days and you've got sub life nailed down. 18hr days, 6 on watch, 6 off watch doing maintenance/training, 6 in the rack...rinse and repeat for the entire deployment...you kinda just fall into a routine after the 1st week or so that causes some distance between what is going on inside the sub to what is happening in the real world...very strange looking back on it now

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by rdl on Saturday March 17, 2018 @09:41AM (#16606884)
YES! (I at least got to leave and spend time with combat units)

The people who went crazy the fastest were those without "real jobs" (i.e. where contractors did the work and they were still in the force structure but essentially used for undifferentiated tasks). For doctors in (busy) hospitals, aviators, etc., it wasn't as bad.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by itronitron on Saturday March 17, 2018 @12:18AM (#16605588)
Curious to know how long it takes for a person's mentally unhealthy characteristics to become evident in a combat zone. Based on past experience (in vanilla zone) I think it takes about 1 to 2 years of regular exposure to a colleague to be able to determine whether they occupy the same reality as the rest of us.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by austincheney on Saturday March 17, 2018 @09:00AM (#16606762)
> Curious to know how long it takes for a person's mentally unhealthy characteristics to become evident in a combat zone.

If you are talking about unhealthy enough to create injurious situations I think that differs by the situation and stimulus present. I don't think there is a single uniform answer. Also, it really helps if there are people around to watch for dramatic shifts in behavior before it becomes self-destructive.

It is important to note that many people may silently suffer from exceedingly minor and undiagnosed mental health defects that they may not be aware of. When you are around people long enough these qualities become more observable. In my experience it takes as little as 2 to 3 months of observation to really identify it with some amount of fine precision and learn to your own communication skills to compensate for the identified personality qualities.

I have a professional mental health counselor in my family who insists as much as 40% of the population could benefit from some minor amount of behavior altering medication. I haven't observed numbers that high from deployment environments, but I have observed a higher number of individuals fitting this criteria than you might think.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by rootw0rm on Saturday March 17, 2018 @03:54PM (#16608752)
"I have a professional mental health counselor in my family who insists as much as 40% of the population could benefit from some minor amount of behavior altering medication."

lol, that's what the pharmaceutical companies want us to believe. a lot of those medicines are based on inconclusive research and wrong assumptions. unless you're taking antipsychotics, stimulants, benzos, or a few other families of drugs, your crazy pills are probably based on bunk science.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by magic_beans on Sunday March 18, 2018 @09:34AM (#16611855)
I’m pretty sure 40% of the population’s mild behavioral problems would be solved with daily exercise of some kind, rather than medication.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by hashin on Saturday March 17, 2018 @01:31AM (#16605725)
This is an interesting side of the problem I have never thought about. Is this boredom and other psychological stresses responsible for the sexual offences committed by deployed troops?

I am not alleging anything on any particular nation, but coming from a developing country where its own internally deployed troops known to commit a lot of sexual violence, I am curious about the underlying causes. And if there is a way through which civilian governments can control it.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by austincheney on Saturday March 17, 2018 @08:45AM (#16606712)
> Is this boredom and other psychological stresses responsible for the sexual offences committed by deployed troops?

I am really not the expert to provide a qualified answer to any of this. I can only speak to my own observations. My perspective is that of a US Army soldier. Everything that follows is only my personal opinion.

I have been deployed three times and only one of those times was sexual assault a significant concern. When a certain NATO ally left the area the problem essentially evaporated overnight. That change happened shortly after we arrived at the area. I am unaware of what that the motivating factor was.

Coincidentally, shortly before that NATO ally left (days before I arrived) there was also a notable incident. A seemingly unarmed victim was attacked at night by two people in civilian clothes. One of these people served as a distraction while the second clubbed the victim in the head from behind and then drug the victim to a nearby area that muffled sound. Shortly after that the victim regained consciousness and pulled out a very small knife hidden on their person. The victim was able to carve up one of the assailants legs leaving the second assailant to pull him to safety. The victim then walked to the hospital to be treated for the head injury and there reported the offense. I have no idea if this defensive action contributed to the immediate decline in following sexual assault incidents.

According to the documentary "The Invisible War" the US military forces have had a problem with sexual assault much higher than the comparative civilian world. The documentary does not directly or officially indicate a cause, but to me it looked like the documentary spelled out a specific cause: weak leadership. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisible_War

> And if there is a way through which civilian governments can control it.

Never tolerate or condone sexual assault in any form. Always investigate reported incidents. Also, and this is important, punish people who are proven to be aware of incidents but fail to report them.

Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by razakel on Saturday March 17, 2018 @02:19PM (#16608256)
I'd be interested in hearing comparisons from anyone who's worked in remote locations, such as at sea or on an oil rig. I imagine it's similar, although you do have the option of quitting.
Re:Japan’s Prisons Are a Haven for Elderly Women by incompatible on Friday March 16, 2018 @10:02PM (#16605234)
Interesting, but is it easy for the elderly to get in?