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Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by arka2147483647 on Sunday March 11, 2018 @08:47AM (#16562782)
The problem with reddit is that there are a lot of "Shits and Giggles" reddits, and this tends to bleed into the "Serious" reddits.

For example; someone is browsing r/funny and clicks a link or two and find themselves in r/programming, or whatever, but keeps acting as if they are in r/funny.

And so your serious discussion is full of funny comments which someone has to clean up or let the discussion deteriorate.

Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by vadimberman on Sunday March 11, 2018 @08:55AM (#16562795)
True, but in the good subreddits the downvotes are brutal enough to deter or drop the offending post to the bottom.
Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by scheveningen on Sunday March 11, 2018 @09:36AM (#16562921)
IMO, the downvotes are a big problem with reddit, unfortunately.

If people actually followed reddiquette (downvoting posts that do not add to the discussion) the system would work great. However, a large majority of people will just downvote what they disagree with. There is no way to keep this behavior in check.

What happens is that counterpoints that do not align with the majority 'party line' are rarely seen on reddit, and although the hive mind is often agreeable to me personally, I need to see dissenting viewpoints in order to get a nuanced understanding of any complex or opinionated issue.

I've pretty much eliminated reddit from my life in favor of HN (this is my first post, actually) and Metafilter and I couldn't be happier.

Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by toyg on Sunday March 11, 2018 @10:46AM (#16563178)
You just haven’t noticed this phenomenon on HN yet.

It’s a fact of life: a downvote button will eventually be used as a “disagree” button rather than some idealistic concept of what moderation should be. Even the most reasonable person has a trigger subject, be it gun laws, abortion, or vi vs emacs.

If you think HN is somewhat immune, you’re in for a rude awakening at some point.

Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by phkahler on Sunday March 11, 2018 @11:43AM (#16563380)
HN in general also has a couple things that are trigger subjects. Areas there is little hope of making even a reasoned argument. I still like to burn a little karma sometimes ;-)
Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by paulddraper on Sunday March 11, 2018 @01:40PM (#16563909)
HTTPS-everywhere, Net Neutrality, employee rights.

And of course, Rust.

Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by mattmanser on Monday March 12, 2018 @12:20PM (#16569175)
It's more anything to do with women. That's HN's third rail.
Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by sebazzz on Monday March 12, 2018 @02:18AM (#16566492)
The difference is that in HN you need to earn your downvote rights (which I have not yet). That should put up a bar for initial down voting, though I agree with you. Some posts of mine have been downvotes, but not for an obvious reason. This means I am more careful posting the next time.
Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by craftyguy on Sunday March 11, 2018 @03:35PM (#16564400)
> There is no way to keep this behavior in check.

Sure there is. For example, each user could be allocated a set number of 'downvotes to give' each day. If that limit were, say, 5, users would either 1) use them up very quickly if they didn't change their behavior, thus not able to downvote for the rest of the day or 2) change their behavior to use them more sparingly.

Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by dredmorbius on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @01:58AM (#16574116)
This might help, somewhat, but it also leads to other hacks -- account farming to increase the number of votes on user has, say, or creating voting brigades.

My view on moderation systems is that you need to think very carefully about what the intended result of the moderation system is.

My read: that moderation is used to gather information about quality. And you've got to consider whether or not the contributed signal is actually useful or accurate information. The case of accurate-but-unpopular posts or comments being downvoted (or incorrect-but-popular upvoted) is a frequently encountered one. One possible view is that rather than gathering all available input, the inputs be considered relative to actual value.

If you're sick with some rare condition, or have some specialised piece of equipment that needs repair, you're far better off going to the specific expert(s) within a field for advice than asking randomly across the population (assuming that expertise is itself merited, which raises ... other interesting questions, the history of both medicine and engineering having some interesting examples).

Generally, crowdsourcing should be better than no information, but is not assured to be better than a sufficiently qualified expert opinion. Which means that if you do get such experts offering their opinion, you'd prefer those.

There's also the raw voting and ranking problem, the question of dimensions of assessment (e.g., accuracy, quality, readability, humour, etc.), which might want to be considered.

It's a complex, but not intractable, field.

Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by supreme_sublime on Monday March 12, 2018 @02:01PM (#16570052)
While I don't use Reddit, I have always wondered what would happen if people were required to anonymously give a reason why they downvoted. I've been rather frustrated by this in the past on imgur. I'd love to know why someone downvoted me. There could potentially be a process that would remove downvotes if they were just nonsense that weren't actual reasons, like people putting in "asd".
Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by always_good on Sunday March 11, 2018 @02:23PM (#16564114)
To be fair, /r/programming is probably one of the most toxic subreddits itself.

I've never found another subreddit where everyone is as unbearably angry and negative. Too many programmers suffer from social issues for a laissez faire community to be a fun place to frequent.

Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by nsgi on Sunday March 11, 2018 @02:40PM (#16564187)
Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by tortasaur on Sunday March 11, 2018 @03:26PM (#16564360)
With the exception of /r/fatpeoplehate, those aren't the subreddits I think of when I think of hateful subreddits, as they are mainly low-subscriber fringe groups. The same sentiment that FPH had lives on in other "angry" subreddits that reach mass appeal (like /r/justneckbeardthings, and much of /r/blackpeopletwitter).

I think a sentiment analysis of posts from the major subreddits would be an interesting read.

Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by pasabagi on Tuesday March 13, 2018 @08:27PM (#16581190)
What's angry about /r/blackpeopletwitter? I don't think I've ever even seen a negative post there. It's mostly just funny.
Re:Ask HN: What's the Hacker News for different industries? by betoharres on Friday March 16, 2018 @09:20AM (#16600422)
this was my first impression when I stumbled in /r/programming