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Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by aw3c2 on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @04:44PM (#16540206)
What did everyone expect?

Slack is a proprietary protocol created to make money on its proprietary service.

I am glad they are making it more closed as then maybe more people realise that centralising your communications on top a VC funded, for-profit company is not a good idea.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by TAForObvReasons on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @04:52PM (#16540264)
This is true of everything, not just centralizing communications. Any VC-funded free service will eventually be forced to find ways to monetize, and open access channels are usually one of the first things to be killed off. Twitter did the same thing with the firehose.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by yoz-y on Thursday March 08, 2018 @09:01AM (#16544334)
I suppose most companies use Slack for ephemeral communication. If it blows up, you can just move somewhere else. It was still probably worth it as it is dead simple to set up.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by dennisdamenace on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:25PM (#16540540)
Why is it a bad idea?

And I doubt _any_ business has centralized their communications with Slack. I’m sure they are still using phones, and email and face to face communication.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by AlexandrB on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:47PM (#16540706)
> I’m sure they are still using phones, and email and face to face communication.

Slack's rise continues to baffle me. It's not good or widespread enough to replace email, Skype messenging, SMS or phone calls - so it's yet another thing I have to stay on top of at work. My life would honestly be easier without Slack.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by yoz-y on Thursday March 08, 2018 @08:55AM (#16544300)
It is better than E-mail for instant and group communication, it is better in everything except audio/video calling that Skype. SMS and phone calls are not even in the same ballpark in terms of solving group communication problems.

Disregarding the technical side of things, Slack is a great tool and it is quite understandable why it stuck: people like it.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by always_good on Thursday March 08, 2018 @10:13AM (#16544775)
Well, it replaces all those things when you want async messaging with a decent UX.

I'm not sure how serious to take you when you think Skype is better.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by syntor on Sunday March 11, 2018 @05:40AM (#16562344)
Especially when Skype in this context probably means "Skype for Business". Oh, that user just went offline and Skype wasn't aware? Well, you'll be informed, nicely, that the message couldn't be delivered. Will it be delivered? Oh, of course not, this is 2018, we don't do that.

Or you're signed into Skype for Business on multiple devices. You wouldn't expect to receive instant messages on all your devices at the same time, would you? Because that's really asking for a bit much in 2018. We're not wizards, you know.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by paulddraper on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @06:53PM (#16541091)
And planes didn't replace boats, trains, or automobiles.

Baffling that so many people still use it as yet another mode of transportation.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by SllX on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @11:47PM (#16542347)
You are in one mode of transport at a time, but your phone can receive multiple forms of communication at a time. All of them with their own notifications, badge icons, and alert sounds, and behind those, some person demanding your attention and only the most minimal cultural etiquette about when to use which and when, if any etiquette is present and pervasive enough through your social and business circles at all.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by Viper007Bond on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @07:10PM (#16541169)
The ~600 person distributed company I work for doesn't use phone or email and obviously doesn't do anything face to face. We relied on IRC for years before switching to Slack so yes, all of our real-time communication is via Slack. We have internal blogs for threaded important async discussion though, but Slack is where our high bandwidth talk done.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by jeena on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @07:23PM (#16541234)
How come you don't use Rocket.Chat or Mattermost or Matrix?
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by gsich on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:30AM (#16542515)
no care for privacy I guess.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by arbie on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:15AM (#16545254)
Might it be because Slack is free and hosted for you?
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by AndrewUnmuted on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @06:00PM (#16540786)
Unfortunately, a lot of startups - including successful ones - do use slack to mitigate the need for email, phone, and in-person communication. It baffles the mind but I think it speaks to the relative naivete and inexperience many managers at startups have when it comes to communication in the workplace.

Every time I have seen Slack as the primary communication vessel, I have seen a company that fails to ship on time and has a hard time with knowledge sharing. The medium is the message!

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by fps on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:00AM (#16545120)
Phones? It's been 10 years since I worked at a company that gave me a desk phone, and it was archaic and useless then. Email is mostly a dumpster fire because of inflexible clients like gmail or outlook with terrible filtering and clumsy rules engines.

At my current company, the main way to reach someone is Hipchat. We have a large percentage of remote workers, so face to face works for some people, but not everyone. You have to be on chat, and you have to be checking it regularly. We still use github, JIRA and confluence for work, but almost everything passes through chat.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by CaptSpify on Thursday March 08, 2018 @06:19PM (#16548607)
> Email is mostly a dumpster fire because of inflexible clients like gmail or outlook with terrible filtering and clumsy rules engines.

Then why don't you switch to a good client? The reason email works so well is that you have that freedom!

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by nasredin on Thursday March 08, 2018 @07:13AM (#16543852)
Nothing is new man. People are not gonna learn.

Can't wait to use the term "AIMd" on "Slack" (what a stupid name BTW) in 10 years.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by ankitank on Thursday March 08, 2018 @12:49AM (#16542593)
Relay is an alternative to slack.

Relay is open source, built on top of Mattermost. This means you can host Relay yourself. https://relay-chat.com/

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by aw3c2 on Thursday March 08, 2018 @07:33AM (#16543939)
Why would one want to use Relay instead of Mattermost?
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by sriharis on Thursday March 08, 2018 @08:45AM (#16544253)
Relay is actually hosted mattermost. Just a means to offload maintenance and uptime to someone working on it full time.

The part of software in Relay that makes mattermost SaSS is open source too.

Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by aw3c2 on Thursday March 08, 2018 @11:25AM (#16545348)
Tell your team to stop spamming it around then please. Spam mattermost if you must.
Re:Tell HN: Slack decides to close down IRC and XMPP gateways by sriharis on Thursday March 08, 2018 @10:01PM (#16549538)
They're not the team though.