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Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by jakobegger on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @03:17PM (#16531724)
If it’s important, people will figure something out; if it’s not important, who cares?

When my dad passed away, I looked through all his files (fortunately he had one password he used everywhere), but in the end there really wasn’t anything important.

There where a bunch of proposals, half finished projects, gigabytes of various data files, but following up on any of that stuff would just be a lot of work and require time that I don’t have.

I think that 99% of my data/code/digital footprint is only valuable because of me; when I pass away, most of my stuff will become worthless, and that’s okay.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by rabboRubble on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @08:06PM (#16533573)
That's a really, really bad idea.

I watched an hour long video about a youngish technologist who died in auto accident. His wife lost control of their i-devices. Some of his encrypted devices that he maintained for clients were also equally inaccessible. The only way the wife regained control of her own digital and financial life was to tap technologist friends who called in favors with Google / Apple. Even they could not decrypt the miscellaneous client owned devices. Neither could the clients. [Edit: I searched for this video and unfortunately could not locate it.]

I put my parents on 1Password. Begged them actually. I quote "how about we just try it for like a week while I am here? if you don't like it, I won't ask you again." My Dad had a crazy so-called method that was supposedly simple to follow, but every time he tried to explain it to me as executor of his & my mom's estates, it was incomprehensible.

After 1 week, Dad was a convert and Mom had her first reliable access to the joint online bank accounts.

For myself, I have a technical hand over plan for somebody to follow to break the encryption on my devices. I also give an accounting of my data, what is where, both financial and sentimental. Most data can be immediately deleted, but some thing like my photography and music collections may be wanted by somebody in the family. The executor of my estate gets the financial records.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by EpicEng on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @08:28PM (#16533659)
>The only way the wife regained control of her own digital and financial life was to tap technologist friends

That sounds very unlikely. This isn't a new problem, and there are procesing in place which discover any and all financial account belonging to the deceased and transfer ownership to the estate's executor. I don't believe for a second that this woman couldn't get into some financial account belonging to her husband without inside help.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by rabboRubble on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:10PM (#16534189)
This was a video lecture (like a TED talk, but not) and was notable for me because I was doing my estate plan at about the same time. Ran across the video maybe in 2015... I will continue the hunt for the video.

The issue wasn't getting into a financial account per se, rather getting into all the devices the husband controlled. She didn't know the passwords.

In the old days, estate executors would monitor physical mail to make sure they found all bank accounts. With many tech savvy people moving away from physical mail, the only notification about which accounts are out there are arriving by email to an account an executor does not have access to. How to know which accounts need to fall under the estate if you don't know the account exists?

Anyway, I will keep up the search for the video. I tweaked my personal technology plan a bit to deal with some of the issues that video raised. In addition to a physical list of key passwords, 2FA recovery keys, and encryption keys, I also included specific recovery scenarios like:

1) me dead, all laptops / phones / 2-factor fobs destroyed

2) me dead, phone missing, but still have laptop & fobs

3) me dead, laptop missing, but have phone & fobs

4) me dead, fobs missing but have laptop & phone

As a courtesy to clients, I also noted what client assets and data I controlled, where I kept the object, how to decrypt if necessary, and who to contact to arrange hand over.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by rabboRubble on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:20PM (#16534217)
EDIT! I found it! I thought it interesting enough to send to my folks.

https://boingboing.net/2016/02/04/how-to-prepare-to-join-the...

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by fyfy18 on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @03:10AM (#16535004)
I think a big takeaway from this is that just writing stuff down is important. Even if you don't die it could be useful; maybe you are involved in a car accident and forget the last 3 years of your life.

Where do you store all of this?

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by andruby on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @05:29AM (#16535485)
I have a relative who's a doctor who managed all her client data in her head. She didn't write much down.

She actually did have an accident that caused memory loss and it was a huge problem for her.

Your memory is important, make sure you have a backup of the crucial bits :)

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by hendler on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @03:44PM (#16531955)
The value isn't in the items themselves, but in their perceived value.

Especially valuable is the optionality. How would you feel if you could not have reviewed your father's files? What if you couldn't access critical financial accounts or didn't know they exist?

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by Sangermaine on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @04:16PM (#16532179)
>What if you couldn't access critical financial accounts or didn't know they exist?

There are already procedures for an executor or heir to assume control of a deceased's financial accounts and assets, and part of that process is determining what accounts the deceased had.. You don't need to dig through Dad's Gmail for that.

Like the first poster said, anything actually important either already has procedures in place or will be figured out in the probate process or otherwise.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by davidbanham on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @06:48PM (#16533206)
Don't you? Many people aren't great at record keeping, especially as they get older. It can often be difficult to figure out exactly what accounts and investments exist, let alone how to access them to clean them up.

Trawling through browser histories and correspondence is often the only way to get a reliable picture of what's going on.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by ams6110 on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @10:23PM (#16534038)
Equifax, for as much as they are maligned, will tell you what open credit accounts the deceased person had.

Last year's tax return will probably identify any significant investments, at least those that are producing income.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by davidbanham on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @10:40PM (#16534090)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_population_percen...

I, along with 95% of the world's population, do not live in a place where Equifax exists.

Tax returns capture some things. They also don't get filed for several years sometimes. They don't capture assets like cryptocurrency or off market shares.

Life is messy and death more so.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by Sangermaine on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:36PM (#16534271)
>I, along with 95% of the world's population, do not live in a place where Equifax exists.

But you probably do live in a place with probate laws. This isn't a new problem, and there are processes to deal with it.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by rtx on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:28AM (#16534842)
You are wrong about the 95% number. They entered India few years ago.
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by saurik on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @03:50PM (#16532000)
> What if you ... didn't know they exist?

FWIW, if I really don't know that they exist, I would probably not feel anything about them ;P.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by mattnewton on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @04:45PM (#16532369)
He means you would be wondering about them, causing angst.
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by saurik on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @07:46PM (#16533493)
In which case you might as well be wondering about them already: your father might very well have a bank account in another country, or a chest of gold dubloons buried in the back yard, or a bunch of stock certificates for some company he invested in fifty years ago... you really never know!
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by firefoxd on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @12:52AM (#16534534)
I beg to differ. Just today i was watching this story unfold https://twitter.com/ColinLevy/status/971124112440487936

He was lucky all his grand father's note were on paper.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by jbob2000 on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @03:58PM (#16532070)
That's a shame that you think that. Our digital footprints are the maps of our lives. I will happily give every password I own to a website that scrapes all the services and constructs a timeline of my life. You think its mundane, but our identity lives in the work we do, half finished or not. I love re-reading notebooks from elementary school not for the content, but for the little scribblings I did in the margins.

TimeHop kind of does this for social media, but it would be cool to open up my email accounts and iMessage. I think my loved ones would value opening up an app and saying "What was jbob doing on this day 2 years ago..."

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by fsloth on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @04:35PM (#16532308)
'I think my loved ones would value opening up an app and saying "What was jbob doing on this day 2 years ago..."'

Having in recent years lost more than one close relatives - no, I don't really need. I wouldn't do this even if I could.

If you want to be there for your loved ones be there today. Instead of coming up with a novel data vault scheme come up with a way to delight them tomorrow, when you are alive.

I love nerding about but if one is dealing with serious things like relationships, I would focus on pre-death interactions rather than post death mausoleums.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by Mantipath on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @04:58PM (#16532446)
In life it's easy to be uninterested in your Dad's thousand-hour audio archive of him presiding over the Civic Plumbing Council of Akron, Ohio.

Listening to that while he's alive would be a waste of your irreplaceable shared time on Earth, right? It's just his job. While your Dad is alive you should go talk to him on subjects he cares about.

After he dies, though, if there happens to be an archive of your father joking around with, remonstrating, and otherwise being himself with the people who made up half of the social context for his waking life, year after year, that might be valuable to you.

It only has value in the right emotional context, of course, perhaps when you reach the age he was when the recordings were made. You can measure your daily self against the daily self your father created and inhabited.

An existential crisis might create a desire for that comparison, or perhaps you'll find yourself missing him and realize that family records don't show who he was in the world at large.

If your father is careless with that information you don't have that opportunity. If you are careless with your equivalent of that information your heirs won't have that opportunity.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by pasabagi on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @06:13PM (#16532955)
As somebody who spent wholly too much time on the dead, honestly, it's not worth it. Poring through old things gives you a thin kind of happiness, but prolongs your grief. When people die, information is inevitably lost - an awful lot of it. The real loss is that what they leave behind, including your memories, are very shallow in comparison to who they were. Trying to make up for essential shallowness by just collecting more data is like trying to quench your thirst by drinking spit.

When I die, I hope I am forgotten - because honestly, grief is shit, and the dead neither appreciate it, nor wanted it before they died. People can't be measured, and their lasting forms aren't them in any case - they are just text, video, photographs.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by fsloth on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @08:13PM (#16533603)
"When I die, I hope I am forgotten"

On the other hand, now, that's bleak.

I would view that human relationships are like strings that connect human beings. Grief of loss is the process of cutting those strings - one-by-one - and it hurts like hell. Because, if the relationship was an important one - I think it's supposed to. And after the grief has done it's job the living move on.

After the grief has done it's job, memories become bitter sweet. There are always complications, of course, and for example unresolved issues make it difficult to let go.

We begin to die the day we are born. It's only a matter of time, really. All of us are mortally ill of a condition called life. Every precious relationship must end in time.

There is a zen-story about this. A wise man was asked what was happiness? He answered, a man is born, a son is born, a grandson is born. Man dies, son dies, grandson dies. It sounds horrible the first time you hear it, but then you realize it nailed it completely - any other order would be worse, and having no children would be even sadder.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by DoreenMichele on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @11:07PM (#16534183)
"When I die, I hope I am forgotten" On the other hand, now, that's bleak.

My mother has always said "Funerals are for the living, not the dead." I don't find the GPs attitude bleak at all. The people who grieve most heavily seem to be those with unfinished business with the deceased. If you leave behind no unfinished business, I think people can let it go fairly easily. They got what they needed while you were alive. That's a good deal.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by mantas on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @02:19AM (#16534816)
There's a huge difference between forgetting and letting go though.
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by cableshaft on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @04:44PM (#16540204)
We have very different viewpoints. I'm a creative person. I have worked on many things that haven't been successful (and some of which have) but people I know might find them interesting and entertaining (Stories, novel attempts, video games, board games, music, videos, etc).

I'd rather a decent amount of those survive me in some fashion. A few might, as they'll probably be included in console or flash game rom dump collections, but I wish more would. I also wish i completed more projects in my lifetime.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by pasabagi on Thursday March 08, 2018 @04:24AM (#16543315)
Realistically, if a project is unfinished, is it interesting? My feeling is that I don't finish creative projects because they have some kind of fundamental dysfunction or problem. If a creative project failed to keep my attention to the bitter end, then I don't think it would be keeping the attention of my descendants on its own merits.

I've experienced the other side of this one - a lot of my family were amateur artists. Their work, on the whole, isn't that interesting. Their practice, on the other hand, is something they passed on, and I value it quite a lot. As a kid, I was always encouraged to make things, and to make new things rather than replicas, and to take making things seriously.

I still make a lot of stuff, and I really feel that people who don't are missing out - but I don't think I've made anything that I'd like my descendants to have - other than the practice of making things itself. I guess family, at its best, is about passing on traditions that allows you to live well in a frankly hard and troubling world. I mean, you can pass on more stuff than that - paintings, photos - but it usually ends up sitting in some attic. At least, that's what's happened to the creative output of about four generations of my family.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by andyjohnson0 on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @04:22AM (#16535234)
I agree. An old friend of mine died last year, and I recently discovered a youtube video of her speaking at an academic conference. The subject doesn't interest me, and while she was alive I wouldn't have even bothered to search for videos much less watch it. But now she's dead it is the only record I have of what her voice sounded like, how she expressed herself. So I downloaded a copy to keep and although it's unlikely I'll watch it again, it is some tiny comfort. Context changes the value of these things.
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by wakkaflokka on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @09:13PM (#16533828)
I've been wanting to create something like this for a long time. A recreation of your life using all the services from the web that have a 'takeout' option. Google emails, photos, messages, location data, Facebook messages and posts, Mint transactions, SMS, etc.
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by mlloyd on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @05:59PM (#16532855)
>I would focus on pre-death interactions rather than post death mausoleums.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by magic_beans on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @04:13PM (#16532156)
"I love re-reading notebooks from elementary school not for the content, but for the little scribblings I did in the margins."

But when you're dead, there's no guarantee your descendants or next of kin will have any interest whatsoever in the minutia of your digital life.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by zimpenfish on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @07:36AM (#16535938)
> there's no guarantee your descendants or next of kin will have any interest whatsoever in the minutia of your digital life.

Easy to fix - leave a note telling them you have huge wealth hidden away and the only way to find is it to solve the puzzles sprinkled throughout the minutia of your digital life.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by EADGBE on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @09:32AM (#16536588)
The worst kind of betrayal is the kind you inflict after your own death.
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by neves on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @04:54PM (#16532420)
No family photos? Digital books and music?
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by khedoros1 on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @10:59PM (#16534153)
My grandfather's were on his PC and cameras (those that weren't hard-copy photos that he developed himself).

For my own, some are online, but most are around the room, copied onto various storage devices (redundantly, and on devices that my wife knows about, and that other family members could easily find, if we were collectively hit by a bus).

In terms of ebooks and non-CD digital music, there's maybe a couple hundred dollars worth. Almost all of my digital video is on DVD/Blu-Ray. The photos would have more value, anyhow.

For software: Meh. My projects are mostly for my own entertainment. If someone wanted to fork them, it's not like they'd be fighting for control of a community, or something.

Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by matt_wulfeck on Tuesday March 06, 2018 @06:29PM (#16533085)
Is that not already digitized and shared with family?
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by thinkMOAR on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @06:29AM (#16535724)
oofff... wipes a tear (honestly) i still have the computer of my father, i can't get myself to power it up and go through it. I'm saving it for a day i do feel up to it.
Re:Ask HN: How will you manage your digital assets when you ... by wgoodall01 on Wednesday March 07, 2018 @10:30AM (#16537009)
You might want to do that soon-ish, just because of the flakiness of most hard drives. Take a solid backup of the files and put it somewhere reliable.

Although it's hard to look through personal files like that, it's even worse if you had the opportunity to, didn't do it, and the hard drive failed.