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Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by mattferderer on Thursday February 22, 2018 @09:34AM (#16437757)
Is it just me or did Twitter just remove a large honey pot for identifying fake accounts?

For example, a recent anti Net Neutrality marketing push was allegedly done by AT&T paying a company who owned a large amount of accounts to tweet members of US Congress the exact same message at roughly the same time. I can't think of an easier way for Twitter to round up a ton of potential fake accounts than watching for these type of events.

I'm not saying that if 100 accounts all post the same thing at the same time, they're all fake accounts. I'm just saying those 100 accounts are worth looking into with other automated checks.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by eXpl0it3r on Thursday February 22, 2018 @10:55AM (#16438399)
Maybe, but instead they added measurements that the event itself shouldn't occur at all in the first place. Since tweets are very short-lived I feel it's more important to proactively prevent spam rather than reactive.

Besides that, while it's quite easy to "detect" some spam wave as a human within a given context, implementing such a detection in an automated manner is a lot harder, because a machine doesn't have intuition and have the context required to notice it.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by eecc on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:37AM (#16435899)
Curious if enforcement is going to also thrash legitimate human accounts that have been - underhandedly - oauth’d authorized to be remotely controlled by a third party.

I hope Twitter introduces a screen informing who and what caused suspensions or bans

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by ameliaquining on Thursday February 22, 2018 @09:46AM (#16437840)
Wouldn't Twitter be able to see who access was delegated to? It sounds like they'd just ban the app rather than all its users.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by pavel_lishin on Thursday February 22, 2018 @10:16AM (#16438071)
The idea is to find and kill bot accounts, not bot-control aps.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by tw1010 on Thursday February 22, 2018 @07:17AM (#16437016)
> Posting multiple updates [...] to a trending or popular topic [...] with an intent to subvert or manipulate the topic [...] is never allowed.

Good thing intent is super easy to infer without ambiguity.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by mmikeff on Thursday February 22, 2018 @05:54AM (#16436705)
Does this mean that tools like https://www.thunderclap.it/ are in for a hard time?
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by audiolion on Thursday February 22, 2018 @07:42AM (#16437145)
when I read this i thought of thunderclap too, wonder how much they are affected
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by FrederikET on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:31AM (#16435626)
Nice to see that they actually do something. I have never heard Facebook publish anything about what they do...
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by threeseed on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:49AM (#16435716)
Well bookmark the following and be prepared. Because Facebook posts a lot about what they do.

https://newsroom.fb.com

https://code.facebook.com

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by f055 on Thursday February 22, 2018 @03:20AM (#16436079)
Doesn’t this imply the end of any usefulness of twitter for business and marketing purposes? Big companies have multiple accounts and no one is tweeting directly, it all goes through some central tool in marketing dept. Weird move, twitter.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by comex on Thursday February 22, 2018 @03:57AM (#16436253)
No?

First of all, big companies don't usually have multiple Twitter accounts; rather, all their representatives communicate from a single account.

Second of all, even if a company did want to use a multitude of Twitter accounts for some reason, the ban is on posting the same content to multiple accounts, aka spam. Not simply having multiple accounts available to choose from in the same interface.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by bringtheaction on Thursday February 22, 2018 @04:52AM (#16436473)
Multinational corporations often have different accounts for different regions. Corporations that operate in multiple sectors often have different accounts for different sectors.

Some are both multinational and cover several sectors, for example Yamaha.

Here are just a few Yamaha twitter accounts: @YamahaMusicEU, @YamahaMusicUSA, @YamahaUK, @YamahaAV, @YamahaMotorEU, @YamahaMotorUSA, @YamahaMotoGP.

When a company makes a product they may or may not wish to make the same announcement on the accounts for that vertical across different regions. Most often the really big ones will probably make different announcements due to both differences in desired wording and in launch dates, but still the point stands that they might sometimes wish to post the same news.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by ascagnel_ on Thursday February 22, 2018 @12:56PM (#16439605)
I'd imagine that Twitter would gladly offer a paid program for companies that wish to use the service in that way.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by f055 on Thursday February 22, 2018 @05:09AM (#16436544)
Yes?

Almost all top tech companies have multiple @accounts, even Twitter does! I've seen multiple times how these companies post same announcements on multiple accounts. Even Twitter sometimes does that, for example when announcing something important in relation to security or policy, they post the same thing on the dedicated channel and their main channel.

Moreover, there are tons of tools build around Twitter API, like consumer ones: buffer, hootsuite and several other big enterprise tools that enable exactly that - connecting multiple accounts and cross-posting/scheduling the same tweet across all channels (as usually these tools also connect to facebook, linkedin and g+).

So, I still don't understand Twitter's move here, they are effectively declaring most of their business use cases to be outside of the guidelines. I'm surprised.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by amichal on Thursday February 22, 2018 @08:20AM (#16437330)
There is a mechanism in the new policy that could work for this. They allow automated re-tweats still. Post the big news to @CorpABC and then re-tweat to @CorABCVertical and @CorpABCRegion as needed.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by f055 on Thursday February 22, 2018 @08:28AM (#16437366)
Sounds sensible. A pain for the social tools to implement, but could work well in the end.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by mozumder on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:32AM (#16435628)
What's the use case for Twitter to allow outside write API access?

If twitter banned all API write access, what would be the problem?

The vast majority of people would still use Twitter via the app or their website, and it would obviously solve a lot of spam problem. But do we really need automated emergency alerts that don't filter through a human?

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by nradov on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:35AM (#16435646)
How would it solve the spam problem? People would just write bots that work through the website by scripting headless browsers.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by mozumder on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:45AM (#16435697)
At the browser level you have Captcha, which is a lot more expensive to spam - you need a human somewhere to overcome - than an API.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by bdcravens on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:00AM (#16435759)
Depends on your definition of expensive. Captcha solving goes for around 1/10 a cent per catcha. (obviously pricier than free, but if you want to blast out 1000 tweets a day, that'd cost you $1)
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by tedivm on Thursday February 22, 2018 @04:03AM (#16436279)
You don't need a human for captcha. You can put together software pretty easily now that'll solve some captchas some of the time, and with automation even a 5% success rate means you can still get thousands of accounts.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by icebraining on Thursday February 22, 2018 @10:14AM (#16438050)
They could easily detect and ban accounts that failed 95% of captchas, though.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by tedivm on Thursday February 22, 2018 @03:38PM (#16441162)
The captcha tends to be during signup, not just any general request. Otherwise third party clients wouldn't work at all. So there isn't any "account" with 95% failure, only IP addresses that fit that. However, spreading requests to multiple IP addresses can help get around that, and botnet rental is pretty cheap these days (cheaper than the captcha prices that have been quoted).
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by icebraining on Thursday February 22, 2018 @04:00PM (#16441348)
The captcha tends to be during signup, not just any general request. Otherwise third party clients wouldn't work at all

The post that started this thread was about thought experiment of Twitter killing off their API. So that third party clients wouldn't work is a given. And since they wouldn't work, there's no reason why Twitter couldn't show a captcha many more times after signup.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by threeseed on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:53AM (#16435726)
Just a few use cases. I suspect there are quite a lot:

1) Allowing a delay between creation and posting e.g. Buffer.

2) Posting updates to Twitter whenever CMS content changes e.g. Wordpress.

3) Large companies who need tools that work across all social media sites e.g. Hootsuite.

4) RSS -> Twitter.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by AznHisoka on Thursday February 22, 2018 @08:44AM (#16437454)
I think there is an argument that automating tweeting leads to more spam even though there are some legitimate use cases.

The NYTimes automating tweeting a link to an article after its published provides value. Yet that same functionality allows spammers to tweet links to their spam automatically as well.

Likewise with scheduling, etc.

Anecdotally, before 2010 (when scheduling tweets became popular) I remember Twitter being much more active and discussion oriented, hence I paid more attention to my feed. Now i only use Twitter to search for specific things (ie is AWS down)

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by mozumder on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:57AM (#16435745)
Those all are automated spam, and doesn't really facilitate discussion. They just increase noise on the platform.

Edit: Reminder that Twitter filters out posts that don't receive much interaction.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by vidarh on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:11AM (#16435795)
Pretty much none of what I use Twitter for is discussion. You're assuming everyone uses Twitter for a very specific, limited purpose.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by threeseed on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:05AM (#16435783)
Not everything in Twitter is about discussion.

Much of the platform is dedicated to users wanting to follow products, brands, services etc. For them the services I listed are a critical necessity. You can argue all of it is spam but then by that definition so is most of the web.

Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by exolymph on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:04AM (#16435779)
Lol @ you assuming that anything a company posts is spam. You can just unfollow them.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by RandomInteger4 on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:46AM (#16435703)
Why would they completely limit API write access when there's a less nuclear route to prevent abuse as detailed in the article?
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by talaketu on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:57AM (#16435746)
for example, the tweets by @newsycombinator are posted via API.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by mozumder on Thursday February 22, 2018 @01:59AM (#16435756)
And if you look at that account there's no real interaction going on with it for an account that has 175k followers.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by vidarh on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:13AM (#16435798)
And yet it has that many followers, some portion of presumably see some utility in receiving those tweets, even if that utility does not match your idea of what they should do with it.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by mozumder on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:15AM (#16435806)
Accounts that don't have interaction get filtered out by Twitter in their timeline.
Re:Automation and the Use of Multiple Accounts by vidarh on Thursday February 22, 2018 @02:54AM (#16435986)
They show up just fine in mine.