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Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by brudgers on Thursday February 08, 2018 @10:50AM (#16332878)
none of those ever made it to very high levels of industrial adoption.

Non-exotic methods of strengthening wood, made it to high levels of production in spades: plywood, oriented strand board, microlam and glulam beams, and medium density fiber board (MDF) are direct examples. Wood I-joists and plate connected wood trusses are less direct. From a functional standpoint, standardization of lumber grades is a social technology that allows designing wood members with known engineering properties.

On the chemical front, pressure treated lumber increases wood's strength across a timeline. Fire treatment increases wood strength in a narrow set of circumstances.

Of these, plywood is clearly the most successful in terms of industrial adoption being used for aircraft, boats, and furniture among other things.

Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by jacquesm on Thursday February 08, 2018 @10:57AM (#16332968)
Yes, engineered wood is a mainstay of construction. But all of those processes were and are set up to be able to process a large volume in a relatively short time and leave very little to no waste, and what waste there is is sold off as fuel.

Plywood - especially the higher grades - is amazing stuff. I visited a plywood factory in Ontario and it really opened my eyes to how clever and precise the manufacturing of various kinds of engineered wood is.

Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by noir_lord on Thursday February 08, 2018 @07:14PM (#16336782)
It is, the WWII Mosquito Fighter-Bomber was made from high grade ply and it flew faster than contemporary aluminium fighters, was incredibly durable (except for some de-lamination problems in hot humid far-east environs) and was actually stunningly beautiful.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by scentoni on Friday February 09, 2018 @12:39AM (#16338136)
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by theoh on Thursday February 08, 2018 @08:46PM (#16337253)
Also mostly plywood: the Spruce Goose https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hughes_H-4_Hercules
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by paulddraper on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:06PM (#16337830)
which is simply massive: 320 ft wingspan, the largest of any flown aircraft.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by rootw0rm on Saturday February 10, 2018 @02:00AM (#16346252)
Haha, that was the first aircraft I thought of too!
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by JorgeGT on Friday February 09, 2018 @05:10AM (#16339143)
The earlier de Havilland Comet was also incredibly beautiful and made by innovative woodworking techniques: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_DH.88_Comet?oldfo..., one of my favorite planes ever.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by milesvp on Thursday February 08, 2018 @08:05PM (#16337057)
I too was surprised to find out just how much variety and quality of plywood there is. I always thought it was a relatively cheap, kind of crappy alternative to good lumber. But since I've started following hobby laser cutting, I've been finding out that good plywood really makes a difference if you want good results.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by jacquesm on Friday February 09, 2018 @02:27AM (#16338545)
I've had really good experiences with birch based plywood of the better grades and for heavier applications a grade that is used in construction to make the forms for concrete casting.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by samstave on Friday February 09, 2018 @12:45PM (#16342208)
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by coldacid on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:25AM (#16341463)
Where in Ontario? This would be interesting to see for myself.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by jacquesm on Sunday February 11, 2018 @04:31PM (#16354945)
Thessalon iirc on Hwy 17.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by aidenn0 on Thursday February 08, 2018 @03:56PM (#16335529)
Plywood is the best combination of strength, weathering resistance, and workability of any material I've yet used. MDF is way cheaper, but it is so much weaker pound-for-pound[1].

1: One carpenter I talked to complained that MDF won't hold screws, and apparently this is a common complaint, but if you drill properly sized pilot holes and use sheetmetal screws it's pull-out strength is fine, particularly since you need thicker MDF than ply, so you can use a longer screw.

Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by brudgers on Thursday February 08, 2018 @04:10PM (#16335617)
The primary advantage of MDF is dimensional stability. Dimensional stability is highly desirable for surfaces receiving veneers or high pressure ("plastic") laminate finishes. It's not really intended for structural applications, but for furniture and cabinetry it can be a reasonable option.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by Doxin on Friday February 09, 2018 @03:52AM (#16338816)
Another advantage MDF has is that it's heavy. Granted for most things you'd rather have light, but for stuff like speaker cabinets and sound deadening you want heavy.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by Zardoz84 on Friday February 09, 2018 @07:38AM (#16339727)
Also, MDF makes a bad material for speaker cabinets. A good speaker cabinet not only is heavy, it have a really good characterized sound qualities that MDF, plastic or cheap plywood can't give. Because that are expensive!
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by owenversteeg on Thursday February 08, 2018 @01:51PM (#16334524)
Yep, plywood gets a bad rap: it's incredibly strong stuff. Aircraft plywood can be used to build entire aircraft, marine plywood can withstand harsh weather conditions for years, and birch or hardwood plywood can look very pretty.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by jordanb on Thursday February 08, 2018 @10:09PM (#16337620)
Some plywood is amazing. Most is crap. Generally the stuff you buy at home depot for $25/sheet is crap.

And people tend to confuse plywood with OSB, MDO, MDF, etc.

And while marine plywood (BS-1088) is great stuff, and fir marine plywood is also pretty nice stuff, it's not magic. BS-1088 is will rot in a morning dew and fir checks horribly. You have to protect it carefully and keep it protected.

Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by gkanai on Thursday February 08, 2018 @07:08PM (#16336732)
Fire treated wood is called 'shou-sugi-ban' in Japanese and is occasionally used in commercial and residential applications. Fire treated wood has the benefit of being naturally fire-resistant, insect resistant, and water/rot resistant while also being a natural treatment (as opposed to a man-made chemical treatment.)

https://shousugiban.org/

https://www.treehugger.com/sustainable-product-design/materi...

Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by rjohnk on Friday February 09, 2018 @11:03AM (#16341206)
HGTV's Fixer Upper had an episode where this treatment was used. They were fixing up an old boathouse and decided to use this method for the exterior.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by monochromatic on Thursday February 08, 2018 @01:05PM (#16334135)
There’s also stabilized wood. You basically fill all the space inside the wood with a hard resin. Small pieces are used for things like jewelry, knife scales, etc.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by usrusr on Thursday February 08, 2018 @01:31PM (#16334354)
At what point do we have to stop considering processed wood as wood, but as a wood/resin or wood/adhesive composite?
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by bitwize on Thursday February 08, 2018 @01:52PM (#16334530)
Sometime after we stop considering processed food as food, but a food/sugar or food/preservative composite.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by monochromatic on Thursday February 08, 2018 @05:09PM (#16336040)
Stabilized wood definitely has a lot more in common with resin than with wood, in its mechanical properties.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by ZenoArrow on Thursday February 08, 2018 @04:16PM (#16335661)
Your comment reminded me of a technique that guitar makers have been using in recent years, which is to make wood more stable by roasting it in a kiln (which removes the moisture from the wood, and supposedly increases its stability).
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by bdamm on Thursday February 08, 2018 @05:45PM (#16336258)
If by "recent" you mean developed about 200 years ago, then yes.
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by ZenoArrow on Thursday February 08, 2018 @05:52PM (#16336297)
From what I've seen, it's become more popular recently (last 10 years).
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by nugi on Thursday February 08, 2018 @11:06PM (#16337829)
Its a technique older than guitars, not recent at all. Maybe you just took notice?
Re:Crushed wood is stronger than steel by disantlor on Friday February 09, 2018 @12:49AM (#16338178)
well at the very least the technique has been packaged/marketed as “torrefied wood”, and i think that’s what is being referenced here