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Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by sologoub on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:13PM (#16286857)
As someone that digs in this data for a living, personally strongly believe this should be on by default for all browsing. The example they give is an insanely bad design for healthcare.gov and I would absolutely not want to find that type of data in my analytics telemetry.

It is very useful to know where your traffic is coming from, but that’s usually viewed at a higher level than the querystring params being shown. In some cases, this may restrict you from knowing which article the person was reading on the given site before clicking through to yours, but if that’s so important, there are other ways to instrument source tracking.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by volgo on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:54PM (#16287753)
Yes it's great from a marketer's point of view. From a consumer's point of view, I don't want you to know where I came from. I don't really care if it's useful to you. It's the difference between pleasing marketers vs pleasing users. Firefox chose wisely
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by saurik on Friday February 02, 2018 @01:58AM (#16288917)
You seem to be arguing back, but this user was agreeing with you, saying this behavior should be for all browsing, not just "private" browsing.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by sincerely on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:14AM (#16288971)
Thanks for this comment, I initially misread their comment as well. I guess that speaks to how highly I think of people in that industry :P
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by eli on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:05PM (#16287802)
Honestly, I don't think path information is all that useful for marketers.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by brianpan on Friday February 02, 2018 @12:54AM (#16288706)
When my traffic spikes to 5 hits in a day, it's nice to know where all those people are coming from besides just medium.com. What page exactly?
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by epigramx on Thursday February 01, 2018 @10:31PM (#16288174)
We overthink it when most of the tracking on the internet is based on simply your IP and occasionally a fingerprint of the browser(including any identification done by said browser). Since IPv4's inception that's all that was required and it was an extremely robust way to be tracked if you ask me.

If you want to not be tracked you require a random/different IP and a browser fingerprint that blends with the crowd.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by Feniks on Thursday February 01, 2018 @11:28PM (#16288426)
Most people are on mobile nowadays so IP is becoming increasingly worthless.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by sologoub on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:47AM (#16289086)
If only it was true... quite the opposite is the case at least in US: https://medium.com/@philipn/want-to-see-something-crazy-open...
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by Brakenshire on Friday February 02, 2018 @09:08AM (#16290558)
Just incredible this is legal.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by Feniks on Friday February 02, 2018 @07:48AM (#16290115)
Oh yeah the US is a lost case.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by sologoub on Friday February 02, 2018 @11:00PM (#16296085)
Don’t give up so easily. Anything can be changed, provided enough people want to change it. Most undesirable practices only happen because they operate in the shadow of general ignorance and/or oblivion to their existence.

As generations that understand this tech implicitly come to power, things will change. To someone that does everything digitally the meaning of these words will be quite different than the currently accepted interpretation:

“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by maze-le on Friday February 02, 2018 @10:28AM (#16291238)
That strongly depends on the routing design of the web application. I could easily design a bad url-path that dicloses information that should be kept private...
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by jdavis703 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @10:55PM (#16288285)
Good marketing does please users by delivering them products tailored to them that they may have never knew even existed.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by icebraining on Friday February 02, 2018 @01:22AM (#16288795)
Then ask the users from which page they came from, I'm sure they'll be happy to do that so that they can know about those great products.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by dorgo on Friday February 02, 2018 @03:08AM (#16289161)
Nooo! Pleasee don't! It will be like these useless cookie warnings in EU all over www. I voluntary enable this path info if you spare me more popups.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by kuschku on Friday February 02, 2018 @05:19AM (#16289590)
Don't worry, the cookie warnings (actually third-party tracking warnings) will soon (May) become not useless at all.

From May on sites have to offer yes/no, they may only track you if you choose yes, and if you choose no they may not ask again, and may not refuse access either.

Which is what was originally intended all this time, and which all good websites offered anyway.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by nindalf on Friday February 02, 2018 @05:43AM (#16289656)
I'm very curious about this. How will you keep track of a user who has opted out without using a cookie? That's my understanding of the issues - websites keep asking not because they think they can browbeat you into accepting cookies, but because they can't tell the difference between a user who has opted out of cookies and a first time user.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by icebraining on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:06AM (#16289711)
There was never a blanket prohibition against cookies, that was a misconception (pushed purposefully by some, I suspect). Cookies which are "strictly necessary" in order to provide the service don't need to be approved. A cookie to remember that you don't want unnecessary cookies seems to fall well under that exception.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by gregknicholson on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:29AM (#16289785)
If I were drafting the regulations (fortunately I have neither the legal nor technical expertise), I'd make it legal to store without permission a cookie containing only a specific string defined by the regulation, e.g. “optout” or “0”, meaning “this user has seen the question and opted out; don't bother them again”. The regulations would have to ensure that the cookie's timestamps are suitably generic to prevent fingerprinting — perhaps you can store a date but not a time.

Would something like that work?

(Edit: Ah, apparently this sort of thing is already allowed, according to comments I didn't read before writing this. Sensible legislators.)

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by lozenge on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:06AM (#16289713)
They could use local storage? As local storage isn't sent to the server, the server will not know whether the user opted out. (User opt in will be a cookie still.)

Alternatively, the legal definition of tracking cookie can differ from the technical definition of cookie. It wouldn't be the first time...!

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by kuschku on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:18AM (#16289743)
The "cookie law" applies to every information that allows identifying the user which is not strictly necessary for the purposes of the service.

Cookie to say "has clicked no"? okay.

Login cookie? okay.

Cookie to track the user? not okay.

Local storage to track the user? not okay.

Tracking the user based on magic? not okay.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by icebraining on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:12AM (#16289732)
"Cookie law" is an informal name, the Directive itself refers generally to "stor[ing] information on the equipment of a user".
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by Momquist on Friday February 02, 2018 @11:34AM (#16291825)
I won't argue about these warnings uselesness, but they definitely are a pain in the ass because they require enabling JS, at least temporarily, on sites that otherwise would work perfectly without it to be able to answer to these warnings.

How stupid is that? Privacy at the expense of security?

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by kuschku on Friday February 02, 2018 @11:41AM (#16291891)
That's not required. The site could use a redirect to set such a cookie, or could use the DNT header to identify this.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by Momquist on Friday February 02, 2018 @12:11PM (#16292175)
You misunderstood me. It may not be strictly required for sites to use JS to build these warnings. But in practice, today, that's how it works on sites that display them. And it definitely requires the user to have JS enabled to pass these obnoxious pop-ups.

JS is also used for things that are doable with CSS or even HTML only. This isn't the first time.

My tin-foil hat persona suspects it's yet another way to force me to disable the various script and ad-blockers in the guise of protecting users for privacy concerns. But my more realistic side assumes this is just laziness.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by chopin on Friday February 02, 2018 @03:20AM (#16289209)
I'd rather block popups...

Or just use NoScript.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by taneq on Thursday February 01, 2018 @11:40PM (#16288463)
If I can go through your underpants drawer then I'll know the right kind of underpants to try and sell you. That means it's OK, right?
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by girvo on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:01AM (#16289699)
(Tangent, but I’ve never found this particular example compelling. All that’s in my underwear drawer is underwear... and I don’t find that particularly embarrassing? I think I’m missing some cultural context for it)
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by spiraldancing on Friday February 02, 2018 @07:01AM (#16289896)
In the US, at least, the underwear drawer is a popular place to hide other things ... eg, your illegal drug stash, or the engagement ring you bought, etc. I think there's also subtextual implications of nosing about in your sex life.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by taneq on Friday February 02, 2018 @05:15PM (#16294633)
It's a mild, nonspecific stand-in for whatever it is that you really don't want people knowing. Whether that's your weird fetish or your embarrassing hobby or the fact that you worked as a pianist in a brothel or whatever.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by ams6110 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:47PM (#16287051)
I was somewhat shocked that healthcare.gov would have any ads on it. I missed that scandal I guess.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/01/healthcare.gov-sends-p...

Anyone know if this is still the case? I looked at a couple of pages and only saw tiqcdn.com being blocked by uBlock.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by cosmie on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:43PM (#16287695)
That domain belongs to Tealium IQ, an alternative to Google Tag Manager.

Tag managers allow you to encapsulate third party tags (and really, any JavaScript you want) and have them dynamically injected without having to hard code anything else on the page.

Since that was blocked, you never even saw the other tags that would have attempted being ran.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by azernik on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:13AM (#16289364)
They were using Floodlight, an analytics tool DoubleClick offers for tracking conversions.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by gkgicccj on Thursday February 01, 2018 @10:46PM (#16288246)
On a side note I recently learnt that ESR is against Obama care. Surprising, I can understand someone young not liking having to pay mandatory insurance but he's old.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by badrabbit on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:23PM (#16287242)
As a user I don't want you to know that information. I wish there was a way to click on links with the referer field removed entirely from the request(maybe via context menu)
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by lovelearning on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:13PM (#16287842)
If you're using Firefox, open 'about:config' and set 'network.http.sendRefererHeader' to 0.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Network.http.sendRefererHeader

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by nyolfen on Friday February 02, 2018 @12:36AM (#16288649)
this seems like it turns it off for everyone, not just third parties
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by lovelearning on Friday February 02, 2018 @12:59AM (#16288719)
Yes, it strips off for any URL. For only third parties, I believe 'network.http.referer.XOriginPolicy' is the relevant flag (haven't tried it out myself).

"Can one disable the HTTP referrer for only when one is going to a third-party domain?" https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1130505

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by mirimir on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:12PM (#16287535)
I use RefControl in Firefox. I've set the default to be the root of the destination site. That is, for example, clicking a link to https://foo.com sends https://foo.com as the referrer.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by robocat on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:29PM (#16287919)
There is an about:config setting called spoofSource which does the same thing I think - see comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16286542
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by mirimir on Thursday February 01, 2018 @10:09PM (#16288092)
Thanks. Good to know.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by nayuki on Friday February 02, 2018 @07:47AM (#16290106)
RefControl is a great add-on, but it isn't compatible with the new Firefox Quantum (57+). https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/refcontrol/
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by mirimir on Friday February 02, 2018 @11:49AM (#16291978)
Yes, Quantum will break lots of stuff. Maybe too much for me to use it. Recent Firefox changes have already broken some of my iMacros scripts :(
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by arghwhat on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:23AM (#16289400)
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer

A stock Firefox can tune the referer behavior through about:config, including completely disabled or spoofed to the target URL.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by ams6110 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:24PM (#16287249)
You can sort of do that, context menu -> copy url -> open a new tab -> paste url
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by zamber on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:00PM (#16287462)
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by paulie_a on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:18AM (#16289745)
Is there a way to randomize the ref url?

It's increasingly becoming impossible to have any actual privacy, so in my opinion the best option is to make the data collected worthless.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by nofunsir on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:32PM (#16287299)
I do this quite often, and it is indeed usually because I don't want the site to know where I came from.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by fnl on Friday February 02, 2018 @09:01AM (#16290513)
As nobody mentioned it yet, I think: I use the smart referrer plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/smart-referer...

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by godelski on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:25PM (#16286921)
As someone that doesn't dig into this data for a living, why would you not want this on non-private sessions (first question I had when reading this)? I'm curious why Mozilla wouldn't want to protect this data leaking in even a normal session.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by groovecoder on Thursday February 01, 2018 @10:09PM (#16288095)
Disclaimer: I'm the Firefox engineer who wrote the patch and the post.

We did a user research study measuring website breakage under various privacy protections:

https://blog.mozilla.org/data/2018/01/26/improving-privacy-w...

tl;dr - strict-origin-when-cross-origin was one of the protections with the lowest amount of breakage. Entering Private Browsing is a clear, strong signal that the user wants more privacy, so we started by implementing this protection in Private Browsing.

However, note that some advertisers demand that AdTech vendors must not serve their ads on certain kinds of pages. (e.g., https://support.google.com/adsense/answer/1348688?hl=en&topi...) Many of those agreements require full referrers to be able to audit the ad inventory.

So there are some concerns and trade-offs to make in this space.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by rrcaptain on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:27AM (#16289412)
In all seriousness: why should we care what ad companies want? Mozilla makes a browser, not an ad platform. Advertisers may have to adapt, but that's their problem.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by paulie_a on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:22AM (#16289755)
In my opinion Mozilla should be actively hostile to ad companies, and go out of their way to ruin metrics
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by gregknicholson on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:36AM (#16289803)
I don't think that's a good tactic. Google and other ad companies have plenty of money to spread disinformation against Mozilla, if they wanted to.

If Mozilla's users are saying “yes, this is good; please do more”, Mozilla can use that as a defence against any resistance from advertisers.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by narag on Friday February 02, 2018 @11:47AM (#16291955)
Then it would be better if Mozilla remains closer to neutral but leaves maximum space to the user for custom configurations, maybe using extensions.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by jdavis703 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @11:00PM (#16288307)
Many of the ad serving SDKs slurp up all this data anyways and send it down using a request body, query string, or something that isn't the "Referer" HTTP header. I'm not sure how ad verification providers get this data, but if anything it's just going to mean less information leaking out from systems like DFP to the smaller ad tech firms. But firms like Google will still be able to figure out what path you were on.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by sleavey on Friday February 02, 2018 @02:27AM (#16289012)
Why don't websites just remove ad code from pages they don't want ads to appear on, instead of telling the ad server to not display it on such pages by using the referrer information? Seems like a convoluted way to solve the problem.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by groovecoder on Friday February 02, 2018 @08:40AM (#16290402)
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webappsec/2014De... is a good run-down of referrer uses from the AdSense perspective.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by fiddlerwoaroof on Friday February 02, 2018 @03:03AM (#16289148)
No, the advertiser doesn’t want their ad to appear on a certain publisher’s web page (e.g. banks often can get in trouble if their ads are associated with certain kinds of content).
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by sleavey on Friday February 02, 2018 @03:25AM (#16289227)
Ah ok. But why then doesn't the ad's embed code just contain the URL of the page it's on in the query string / POST data? The (website that shows the ad's) server knows what page it is providing.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by andrewaylett on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:48AM (#16289486)
I suspect it does? But that's spoofable by the ad aggregator in a way that the Referer header isn't. So much of ad design is (for better or occasionally for worse) defending against bad actors.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by proactivesvcs on Friday February 02, 2018 @12:06PM (#16292132)
Thank you for your efforts. Features such as this are appreciated by, I'm sure, many of your users. It's a shame that the slating Mozilla has had recently hasn't been met by praise for work like this.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by sologoub on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:42PM (#16287354)
It depends on who “you” are in this case. If that “you” is a company that solely makes money by selling various behavioral data and has little care about various jurisdictions (which they really should, especially with GDPR, let a long “doing the right thing”), it might very well be useful to collect extra signals.

However, if “you” is a company that is in some other business, but collects analytics for the purposes of optimizing it’s product and figuring out what actually works for their users, then you don’t event want to run the risk of ingesting something private. Especially with exposure to different jurisdictions.

Think of it as the difference between a double-opt-in email list where you are very sure people want to receive the communications and an unsolicited spam list. If the user volunteers this data and it has some relevant business purpose, that’s great. However, if the user doesn’t know I have this info and wouldn’t want me to have it, then acting on that data could create a lot of negative emotions that as a company I wouldn’t want.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by yeukhon on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:55PM (#16287088)
My speculation is that this is a compromise in some sense. The change here aligns with what private session is supposed to be.

Private browsing will(1) start out with no sessions (none from normal browsing mode), (2) provides automatic tracker protection, and (3) will clear sessions (cookies and history) on exit leaving no trace. Private browsing is great for a number of use cases such as debug/test web app with a new session, visit NSFW, or hide the fact you watch cat videos on your puppy-lover friend's computer.

So it makes sense to hide the referrer in private sessions opt-in automatically. As for the normal browsing, you can disable referrer. See [1].

I would like to see more privacy and security options to be shown in the preferences UI. about:config is "okay" but it feels like Windows registry, not good for user experience, even by developer standard when one just want to toggle on/off privacy and security settings.

[1]: https://askubuntu.com/questions/797135/how-to-disable-http-r...

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by will4274 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:48PM (#16287060)
> why would you not want this on non-private sessions

Information leaks. You click a link from your email to a news article. The URL for the news article has your email in it. Then you click an ad on the news article. The ad just got your email address.

Worse still - instead of an email address, it's a token that auto signs you in to your account with the news site.

Sites are pretty bad at sanitizing their outgoing referers.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by regexnerd on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:47PM (#16287987)
I don't use anything but web mail (Fastmail) since 2002. I do my banking and email in one browser and my general browsing in a very locked down Firefox (Many about:config hacks, uBlock Origin, Decentraleyes, Webmail Ad Block, Privacy Badger, and No Coin) that blocks about everything save the actual content. I also run a Pi-hole. Keeping your actions compartmentalised keeps your privacy better controlled. Nothing is perfect, but keeping things separated is generally a better idea than not doing so.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by tehmaco on Friday February 02, 2018 @06:17AM (#16289740)
If you're not aware of it, you might want to look into Qubes[0], it's an OS that uses virtualisation tech to compartmentalise applications from each other (and the host OS). So you can use your browser of choice for all uses, just in different VMs configured to retain/discard data as you want.

[0] https://www.qubes-os.org/

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by tmd83 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:41PM (#16287348)
As I read it the parent is for it. He is actually saying it should be always the mode not just for private browsing.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by andrewaylett on Friday February 02, 2018 @04:54AM (#16289512)
To add to everyone else: got to start somewhere. Private browsing seems like a good place, and I've just taken advantage of the plumbing it introduces to set strict origin referer in non-private browsing too.

Hopefully, even though groovecoder doesn't mention the possibility, if this works well then we'll see it rolling into regular browsing too, or at least having some UI exposed, in the same way that tracking protection moved from being private browsing only to having an option to enable it in regular browsing.

Actually, now I think of it, I wonder if the two could sit behind the same preference in the end?

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by progval on Thursday February 01, 2018 @06:49PM (#16287068)
It might break websites that provide features based on the referrer (eg. a central authentication that redirects back to the original page)
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by sk5t on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:11PM (#16287170)
I can't recall ever encountering a referer-based authorization scheme that included the path or querystring in its logic--although it seems likely some goofus has implemented it, somewhere.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by shkkmo on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:55PM (#16287436)
I actually just finished implementing a very simple JWT single sign-on feature. We don't use the referer for the authentication/authorization. However, having the path/query in the referer does allow our partners to know what (if any) post-login redirect path/query to include in the JWT to provide end users a seamless re-authentication experience.

We could, of course, build the same functionality into our implementation without relying having the path/query in the referer.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by DCoder on Thursday February 01, 2018 @11:41PM (#16288465)
I have seen sites where the "Download this foobar" link only works when the referrer is the "Details of this foobar" page, where the download link is placed. If you sent a referrer of some other page on the site, e.g. the "list of all foobars" page, downloads would fail.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by ams6110 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:39PM (#16287671)
Considering that referer is trivially spoofable, not a great idea to rely on it for anything really.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by thefifthsetpin on Thursday February 01, 2018 @08:49PM (#16287728)
So are cookies, but you wouldn't say that it's a bad idea to rely on them. Spoofing is only useful if you know the value you need to spoof.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by mi100hael on Thursday February 01, 2018 @07:47PM (#16287385)
It's less common now that web developers have prioritized sane urls, but a lot of sites still have the actual page as a query param like /site.php?page=foo instead of just /foo. Stripping query params by default would render referrers useless on those sites.
Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by ecesena on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:31PM (#16287923)
This is horrible and I believe the user should be informed.

Personal data in 3rd party referral is only one of the many side effects. If personal data is available in the URL as query string, chances (very high chances) are that the same data is perfectly visible in clear in the web server logs, and from there only God knows where it's spread, including all the 3rd party services used on the backend side.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by duncan_bayne on Thursday February 01, 2018 @09:14PM (#16287844)
> As someone that digs in this data for a living, personally strongly believe this should be on by default for all browsing.

Yeah, but it may surprise you to know that your opinion isn't shared by the people who own the computers in question, or the private data you're digging in.

Your personal strong belief is, in this case, utterly irrelevant.

Re:Firefox 59 to strip path information from referrer values... by jrochkind1 on Thursday February 01, 2018 @11:26PM (#16288411)
I believe they were saying despite being in that business, they -still- think there should be much increased privacy, like the features discussed in OP more widespread.

They don't seem to have said so clearly enough. I think some people just read the first half of the sentence and are ready to be mad!