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Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by berberous on Monday January 29, 2018 @08:59AM (#16257473)
BitConnect, a literal Ponzi scheme that was repeatedly flagged to newbies as a Ponzi scheme they should avoid, had a $2.5 billion market cap last month before collapsing.

While IOTA boosters probably have a story they believe that justifies the hype in their mind, just because it’s worth $6 billion in this market doesn’t mean they necessarily have a good one.

For what it’s worth, of all the crypto people I follow that I consider smart or savvy, none of them are IOTA bulls.

Also, the IOTA founder comes off as extremely immature on twitter each time someone trashes it. Even if all the criticism is FUD, his reaction alone is enough to keep me away.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by masklinn on Monday January 29, 2018 @10:31AM (#16258013)
> For what it’s worth, of all the crypto people I follow that I consider smart or savvy, none of them are IOTA bulls.

Would it be possible to stop using crypto as a shorthand for cryptocurrency? It's already a term of art for the much older field of cryptography and things get confusing, especially as all the crypto(graphy) people I follow consider altcoins in general to be hype.

Not to mention it makes no sense, kryptós means "hidden" or "secret", which cryptocurrencies are not, the crypto- prefix comes solely from the underlying usage of cryptographic tools.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by jraines on Monday January 29, 2018 @11:03AM (#16258224)
No. Give up. It's over. Use context clues. Not a statement on the merit of cryptocurrency or your reasoning, just a descriptivist observation.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by sanderjd on Monday January 29, 2018 @11:31AM (#16258427)
Another possibility: folks like your parent may be able to keep fighting this fight long enough for cryptocurrency to fall off the mainstream hype radar and the smaller, more knowledgeable, community driving whatever the future steady-state of all this craziness ends up being may actually coalesce on better language (something involving "blockchain" perhaps?).

I tend to think you're right that it's time to just sigh, shake our collective head, roll our collective eyes, and give up fighting this battle, but the future I just described seems at least somewhat plausible to me.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by jacobush on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:30AM (#16280188)
"Crypto" is slightly easier and faster to say out loud than "blockchain". So, it's over, move on.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by sanderjd on Thursday February 01, 2018 @11:01AM (#16282816)
You didn't respond to my point at all. People talk about this stuff like everything is established and permanent now that there has been, what, a year? of mainstream interest. It's absurd. Let's re-evaluate once we've moved a ways past the "flash in a pan" point.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by jacobush on Thursday February 01, 2018 @03:06PM (#16285378)
You are right, sorry, I didn't.

About that, I think it won't be a flash in the pan. I think it's here to stay and people won't stop talking about cryptocurrencies.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by canes123456 on Monday January 29, 2018 @11:20AM (#16258342)
I don't care one way or the other but I don't see 'crypto' being that widespread yet.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by semi-extrinsic on Monday January 29, 2018 @12:46PM (#16259152)
A fifty year old not-very-tech-savvy colleague recently suggested (in jest) that we could pitch something as "crypto-nano, for maximum buzzword effect".
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by jacobush on Thursday February 01, 2018 @02:31AM (#16280190)
Hey... that could be a thing. A MEMS device, like a miniature (sorry, nano) Enigma machine.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by cocktailpeanuts on Monday January 29, 2018 @11:17AM (#16258323)
I don't think this is half as annoying as the "hoverboard" fad which never really "hovered". And you know how that turned out. It's impossible to put the cat back in the box once it's out.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by panarky on Monday January 29, 2018 @11:29AM (#16258414)
> Would it be possible to stop using crypto as a shorthand for cryptocurrency?

Too late, the language has changed whether you like it or not.

https://twitter.com/VitalikButerin/status/946630708805566464

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by minxomat on Monday January 29, 2018 @09:19AM (#16257595)
Experienced the immaturity first hand, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15860968
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by lettergram on Monday January 29, 2018 @10:12AM (#16257881)
We actually won't track IOTA or anything else we feel is too close to a scam on our website:

https://projectpiglet.com/

It's amazing how many scams are in the cryptocurrency space. To some extent even I personally even view Ripple and all the other completely pre-mined or tokenized cryptocurrencies (i.e. 100% centralized systems) as a scam. There's no guarantee manipulation of the underlying technology isn't happening. Essentially, removing the advantage of cryptocurrencies.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by api on Monday January 29, 2018 @03:52PM (#16260528)
Watching the crypto space has led me to realize that it's actually pretty hard to create any kind of financial system that is not mostly fraud.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by snissn on Monday January 29, 2018 @01:40PM (#16259574)
Do you feel there's a way to have a proof of stake coin without meeting your standard for being a scam?
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by 0wing on Monday January 29, 2018 @02:47PM (#16260111)
Proof of Stake algorithms so far amount to various rationalizations on giving the wealthiest users more wealth.

To explain further, PoS blockrewards are settled as lotteries to stakeholders with each staked coin being granted a lottery ticket. Due to the all or nothing nature of newly printed coins from blockrewards, the wealthiest users will not just accumulate more newly printed coins on average but the statistical odds of them accumulating more of the future supply increases with time whereas poor users are entirely disqualified from thresholds required for "staking" and earning newly minted coins.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by snissn on Monday January 29, 2018 @10:10PM (#16262633)
I'm really impressed by RAIBlocks, and trying to decide what to think about it. There are no fees or printing.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by 0wing on Wednesday January 31, 2018 @06:27AM (#16273091)
RAIblocks isn't a protocol, it's someone running a centeralized database that publishes the results to everyone else. Dubious.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by asymmetric on Monday January 29, 2018 @09:29AM (#16257655)
OT: who are the crypto people you follow? And on which channels?

Twitter seems sadly popular among this crowd. Sadly because it lends itself to flamewars.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by simias on Monday January 29, 2018 @10:00AM (#16257824)
Cryptos lend themselves to flamewars, no twitter or anything else needed. You have a bunch of people who are trying to get rich quick while on average not understanding much about the underlying technology. Try to have a technical discussion on any crypto enthusiast forum and see how well it goes. In my experience it turns really ugly really quickly.

In general I give up after I get the first "you don't know what you're talking about" without any kind of actual argument behind it. Note that you find several of these in the comments of TFA:

>i find it deeply alarming everybody and their graindma has to write bad stuff about iota without beeing informed themselves enough.

>I learned a lot today, but not from this article. The comment section has some good information.

>you’re way too late for the fud party.

>Wow…another clear case of awesome journalism. Another case of the misinformed trying to mislead people with another mudslinging article.

>Just a question: does it ever occur to you to pick up the phone and may get in touch with someone who actually knows the topic at hand before writing this kind of garbage…say the IOTA…

Truly enlightening.

I love this comment too: https://medium.com/@dfalkman/i-think-this-article-sums-the-p...

>The bottom line is that IOTA is embarking on something new. Like a lot of things in crypto, it is theoretical and academic and working towards becoming practical. It is very early.

Then:

>We all rise together, so we should more encouraging of one another’s endeavors in crypto and blockchain. IMO these concerns would have been best voiced in the IOTA slack channel instead of on the interwebs for all to FUD about.

In other words: it's experimental academic endeavor but don't criticize it publicly because it hinders my ability to pump it.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by mikestew on Monday January 29, 2018 @10:30AM (#16258008)
We all rise together, so we should more encouraging of one another’s endeavors in crypto and blockchain

There’s your tip-off for a scam: don’t ask questions, and be encouraging to each other, because it’s us against a skeptical world. Cults, penny stocks, Amway, and now crypto currency scams apparently: I’ve observed similar patterns in all. Not that we shouldn’t support each other in our mutual endeavors, but if that’s the only thing with any substance that you hear and money is on the line, run away.

Tip-off #2: “You don’t know what you’re talking about.” “Enlighten me.” <crickets>

Learned that one from a biodiesel nut, a suburban boy with clean fingernails trying to convince this ex-mechanic who grew up on a farm that growing food crops for fuel is energy net positive, and otherwise a good idea. Not that his heavy financial investment in a local biodiesel company would color his opinion at all.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by cesarb on Monday January 29, 2018 @10:43AM (#16258089)
> growing food crops for fuel is energy net positive, and otherwise a good idea.

According to Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethanol_fuel_energy_balance), growing sugarcane for ethanol is 8x net energy positive.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by mikestew on Monday January 29, 2018 @10:48AM (#16258129)
Said biodiesel nut never once mentioned sugar cane, soybeans was the frequently suggested crop, your article is talking about ethanol and not biodiesel, and that wasn’t the point anyway.
Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by logfromblammo on Monday January 29, 2018 @12:07PM (#16258777)
This biodiesel nut never said "algae", "duckweed", or "synergy with aquaculture"?

Your nut isn't much of a nut.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by mikestew on Monday January 29, 2018 @01:24PM (#16259460)
That’s probably why he lost all of his money in that venture: just not quite nutty enough. No one’s going to jump on board for something as boring as soybeans.

OTOH, snarky or not, you bring up an interesting thought: there are probably millions of people that know (as in practical knowledge) how soybeans are grown, hence enabling millions to call “bullshit”. Had said nutter said “algae”, I would have to have taken his word until I could research further.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by berberous on Monday January 29, 2018 @09:53AM (#16257793)
Here are two resources that I think are helpful:

1. Token Economy is a weekly crypto newsletter run by two crypto VCs (https://tokeneconomy.co/). I think it is extremely good at separating the signal from the noise. Highly recommend.

2. Twitter is unfortunately indeed the easiest place to follow what's going on. Naval Ravikant, the founder of AngelList, recently published a list of the people he follows in the space (https://twitter.com/naval/lists/crypto/members). It has a large overlap with my own list, but neither he nor I endorse everyone's views that are on it. But it probably includes most of the active developers, VCs and thought leaders in the space.

Re:Why I find IOTA alarming by mynegation on Monday January 29, 2018 @10:56AM (#16258183)
Oh, you meant cryptocurrencies, not the cryptography people. "Crypto" is an established abbreviation for "cryptography". Probably, to avoid confusion we should spell out both terms.