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Re:The evolution of the trackball by mark-r on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:40PM (#16171049)
So there's the history, on to the modern day question: why is it so hard to find a trackball that isn't wireless? I don't think Logitech makes one anymore. I can see the appeal of wireless mice, but a trackball doesn't need to move so the wire is much less of a burden - and it removes the need to change batteries.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by Isamu on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:07PM (#16171300)
Trackman Marble. USB. I have been using this forever and swear by it.

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/trackman-marble?crid=...

I was alarmed by your comment and had to go to the website to confirm it is still for sale.

Also: I switched to this because of wrist issues. I really think having this large marble trackball at your fingertips could be helpful to a lot of people. Give it a try! It's cheap.

Re:The evolution of the trackball by flyinghamster on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:37PM (#16171556)
On the other hand you can't get a wired trackball from them that has the ball to the left; the M570 and the MX Ergo are wireless-only. I have an earlier wired USB Trackman Marble with a PS/2 adapter, which I'm glad I bought and squirreled away when it was available. My 20-or-so-year-old PS/2 Trackman finally started to show its age, and the "newer" one came out of storage to replace it.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by MisterTea on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @05:29PM (#16172643)
I see that the wired USB/PS2 Logitech TrackMan Wheel is available from refurbished on newegg for USD 45. I'm tempted to give it a shot now.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by flyinghamster on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @10:01PM (#16174310)
Hmmm... might be worth looking into. (The trackball I was referring to was that, not the Marble). It wouldn't be bad to have a spare, though if this one holds up as well as the ancient Trackman I retired, I won't be needing it for a while.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by virtualwhys on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:44PM (#16173605)
> I have been using this forever and swear by it.

I think it's been at least 10 years for me.

One nice side effect of the design is that you can switch hands if/when your wrist gets tired (I write with my left hand and throw with my right hand, so ambidextrous trackballs work very well for me).

I've had other trackballs along the way, but this one suits me best, all the more so given that it's small and lightweight (on the road most of the year).

Re:The evolution of the trackball by mark-r on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:02PM (#16171791)
I could swear this was no longer available last time I looked - thanks!
Re:The evolution of the trackball by jjwiseman on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @05:06PM (#16172472)
I think there's some confusion. The Trackman Marble is OK, but it's the Trackman Marble FX that is the best trackball, and no longer in production: http://weblog.mrbill.net/archives/2007/10/17/why-cancel-good...
Re:The evolution of the trackball by appleiigs on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:29PM (#16174152)
How do you scroll with the Trackman?
Re:The evolution of the trackball by ianai on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @11:24PM (#16174687)
My trackball has a wheel around the hall for scrolling. It saves a lot of effort. You can always click on a scroll bar and hold it. Any up or down movement scrolls the late.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by hotsauceror on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:05PM (#16171820)
Another vote for Kensington. I've got several of the wired Orbit trackballs with the scroll ring, I'm very happy with them. I've used the Logitech Trackman Marble as well but I think I prefer the Orbit. The scroll ring feels very intuitive.

https://www.kensington.com/us/us/4493/k72337us/orbit-trackba...

Re:The evolution of the trackball by wott on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:14PM (#16171887)
Yeah, it is plenty stupid. I have read many people complaining the same, but to no avail.

You can also add the lack of reliability to the drawbacks (more hardware, more software involved).

I am fond of thumb trackballs, and the M570 I was forced to buy did not last very long ('forced' because I did not want wireless). It stopped working after a while, without any visible sign of damage on any component.

Whereas my much older Trackman Wheel (the same as M570, but wired) is still my daily driver after more than 10 years.

Re:The evolution of the trackball by thefounder on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @05:39PM (#16172737)
Kensington has the best trackballs(slimblade and expert). Unfortunately their wireless version sucks big time
Re:The evolution of the trackball by arbie on Thursday January 18, 2018 @02:58AM (#16175453)
The Kensington Expert Mouse is in the upper echelons of the sturdiest/most accurate trackballs ever made, but it has a flimsy wrist-pad attachment bridge and the sensor collects dust, requiring a thorough delinting every few months.

Not a deal-breaker, but if your pointer acts erratically, clean out the enclave first!

Re:The evolution of the trackball by nextos on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:47PM (#16171121)
I'm a big fan of the classic TrackMan from Logitech.

Their recent release is wireless, BUT it comes with a rechargeable battery via USB. And they also provide you with a USB receiver. Furthermore, the scrollwheel is really good quality unlike their previous offerings. I like it.

https://www.logitech.com/product/mx-ergo-wireless-trackball-...

Re:The evolution of the trackball by dboreham on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:24PM (#16173054)
I bought 10 or so of the original Trackman wheel back when I discovered it stopped my hand hurting (assuming, correctly, that they would stop making them at some point). I still have 2-3 of them new in the box. I have mostly switched to the wireless variant which as you note is ok. I don't like that it steals a USB port though: I would prefer it use Bluetooth, even if that made it 2x the price.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by contingencies on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:55PM (#16171733)
Try https://www.3dconnexion.com/products/spacemouse/ - it's designed for 3D authoring but can be used as a simple trackball type device and there is a non-wireless variant. The wireless variant can be tethered and untethered. Kind of pricey but great for CAD/CAM type work.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by tga on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:24PM (#16171985)
The SpaceMouse is a great (and somewhat unusual) device, but it's a joystick really, not a trackball.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by dragonwriter on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:48PM (#16171130)
> So there's the history, on to the modern day question: why is it so hard to find a trackball that isn't wireless? I don't think Logitech makes one anymore.

Googling “wired trackball” finds quite a few available from a wide variety of sellers and manufacturers, and Logitech clearly thinks they still have them.

https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/trackman-marble

Re:The evolution of the trackball by pdxpatzer on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:03PM (#16171259)
big fan of Logitech Trackman Marble. I own like ten of them. I use them everywhere. They are indestructible, they don't require batteries and they occupy a fixed space of my choosing. With them I can easily navigate the large real estate of my dual monitor setup. Polish the ball with a little Pledge and your cursor flies cross the screeen with a little flick of the wrist.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by markrages on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:13PM (#16171345)
Also, they are ambidextrous, so you can switch to left-hand mousing when the right wrist is starting to hurt.

They are indeed everywhere: https://imgur.com/1toYn6A

Re:The evolution of the trackball by aidenn0 on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @07:01PM (#16173300)
All of the elecom models are available both wired and wireless
Re:The evolution of the trackball by emily-c on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @09:59PM (#16174295)
My wired Elecom M-DT2URBK is the best mouse I've ever used. It's great if you have small hands.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by aidenn0 on Thursday January 18, 2018 @12:33AM (#16174926)
The thumb trackballs are on bearings with higher static friction than the logitech thumb balls. You get used to it, but immediately feel the difference if you go back to a logitech. The buttons are great though, I remapped the middle-click away from the track wheel because with the 4-way wheel it's much harder to middle click, since my elecom has 3 non-scrollwheel buttons it still works great.

There's a forthcoming linux kernel fix to get the right button to work on the EX-G models.

Re:The evolution of the trackball by SuperPaintMan on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:58PM (#16171214)
I know you can get the Elecom Huge[1] wired or wireless, it's super comfy and has a giant marble.As far as why you can't find them in retail stores, most people don't want a trackball and it takes getting used to for gaming.

http://xahlee.info/kbd/i2/elecom_huge_trackball_87142.jpg

Re:The evolution of the trackball by stockground on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:52PM (#16171169)
Kensington [1] still makes wired trackballs. Of course they also make wireless variants.

[1]https://www.kensington.com/us/us/4493/trackballs

Re:The evolution of the trackball by zamalek on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:51PM (#16171688)
> trackball doesn't need to move

Unless you are using it on your leg, on a sofa. Trackballs are second-to-none for home cinemas. Regardless, most are semi-wireless (such as the M Ergo) - just keep it plugged in.

Re:The evolution of the trackball by ebikelaw on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:30PM (#16171498)
You can just leave these plugged in all the time if you never want to think about the battery again. Unfortunately plugging them in doesn’t make the MX Ergo be a USB mouse. It only charges the battery.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by mark-r on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @04:04PM (#16171805)
So now your trackball takes two USB ports? No thanks.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by tetraodonpuffer on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:45PM (#16171097)
have you looked into the kensington trackballs? the slimblade is corded and quite popular among the music producer crowd for example
Re:The evolution of the trackball by kps on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @02:59PM (#16171226)
+1 for the Slimblade. I keep a spare on the shelf, along with a spare Kinesis contoured keyboard, to be sure I'll never be caught without — although I've never had either fail. It's a well-behaved standard USB device (including the z-rotation for scrolling) amenable to 'xinput set-button-map'.
Re:The evolution of the trackball by z0r on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @06:11PM (#16172963)
this has kept me happy for the past few years: http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/product/96U1114