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Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by iandanforth on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:39AM (#16149153)
I know the guy behind FoldiMate a little bit. I've met him at trade shows. One thing I have to point out is that he has pursued this dream for years. Lack of interest, team, funding ... nothing has stopped this guy. It's a really hard problem and he keeps at it. I can't say I'm rushing out to buy one myself, but there's a human story here too, and I think that's been lost in the coverage.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by dkersten on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:16AM (#16149668)
He can be the nicest and most driven guy in the world, that doesn’t change whether or not his product is any good.

You wouldn’t buy, say, a car that only got half the mileage or whatever just because there’s a human story behind it. There’s a human story behind almost everything.

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by tragomaskhalos on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:57AM (#16149797)
I don't know if there's an equivalent in the US, but here in the UK we have a TV programme "Dragons' Den" where people pitch their business ideas - which are usually invention-based - to a panel of potential investors.

Easily the most intriguing aspect of the show is discovering the often inordinate amount of time, energy and money that the candidates have invested in what, to the disinterested outsider, appears to be a completely mad and unworkable idea: the potentially destructive power of human determination.

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by dkersten on Monday January 15, 2018 @06:03AM (#16149813)
Dragons Den exists in the US (and Canada) too, I believe. There’s also Shark Tank. I quite enjoy watching Dragons Den (and Shark Tank on youtube).

I agree with your second paragraph completely. I also totally undrestand it, having cofounded startups myself in the past. You get tunnel vision.

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by SmellyGeekBoy on Monday January 15, 2018 @06:50AM (#16149947)
"Shark Tank" is what "Dragons' Den" is known as outside of the UK. It's the same show.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by dkersten on Monday January 15, 2018 @11:58AM (#16151685)
Ahhhh! Thanks for the correction.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by weego on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:33AM (#16149514)
That's great, unfortunately he seems to have lost perspective and is developing a product no one will want at a price no one will pay.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by Aser on Monday January 15, 2018 @06:11AM (#16149833)
Well, I guess you have to start somewhere. I'm sure his goal is to make a machine where you can just dump clothes in and they come out folded. But the technology isn't there yet and it takes time to develop. He's probably hoping he can sell a few of these useless machines and keep funding his R&D until he can build a fully functional version.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by tinus_hn on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @06:51AM (#16157506)
If he can make it work the first ones will be for the crazy rich and the next generation will be much less expensive.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by lsaferite on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @08:11AM (#16157864)
I'd think the crazy rich would just hire a maid.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by crdoconnor on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:50AM (#16149571)
Laundrettes?
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by Cthulhu_ on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:59AM (#16149610)
Maybe if you had a guy whose job was to feed clothes into it in just the right way. TBF an experienced laundry person can fold them manually, much faster.

Don't let a robot do something a human can do better.

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by lagadu on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:44AM (#16149759)
A robot doesn't have to do something better than a human to succeed; it just has to do it well enough for us to accept the trade-off.

A good example is robot vacuum cleaners: I have had one for a few years now and it's easily the best purchase I've ever made: it doesn't vacuum as well as we do but it does it everyday which is something I'm absolutely unwilling to do. Having it in my home greatly reduced the amount of time we had to dedicate to cleaning the floor and dusting non-floor surfaces (it turns out that daily vacuuming the floor has a huge impact in the amount of dust collected everywhere else).

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by candiodari on Monday January 15, 2018 @11:14PM (#16155773)
Why not ? Humans are still far better than robots at car manufacturing, and yet ... nobody wants to go back to that (well, none of the customers or company leaders would want the prices to rise by enough to make that possible)
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by robbiep on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:28AM (#16149703)
Does anyone want a folded ironed shirt with the buttons done up?
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by phkahler on Monday January 15, 2018 @08:23AM (#16150297)
The last thing I want to do when getting dressed in the morning is undo a bunch of buttons.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by robbiep on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:08PM (#16171310)
Defeats the point right!
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by dagw on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:04AM (#16149630)
There already exist machines that work on a more industrial scale. This seems aimed more at the home market.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by tinus_hn on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @07:29AM (#16157684)
These machines suck too. In the factory clothing is folded manually using a basic device so it looks neat.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by manigandham on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:51AM (#16149194)
At some point, the better answer to is to admit that the timing and possible solutions are not viable. Think of what could be possible if that determination was applied to something else.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by gajomi on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:45AM (#16149178)
This makes me think... are there any special circumstances in which clothes need to be folded in such a special way and with sufficiently high throughput that this kind of machine could make headway? Oftentimes general purpose technologies can come to market only after predecessors in niche areas.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by zimpenfish on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:14AM (#16149448)
As a side comment mentioned: hotels would be an ideal case because they have a lot of standard things that need to be folded (sheets, pillow cases, towels, etc.) and sticking to those basic cases could probably bring the cost way down and reliability way up.

(But I suspect you don’t need a fancy machine for simple shapes - a simple folding wooden rig would do and be almost as quick. Hell, I’ve got a cheap plastic thing that’ll do shirts in seconds.)

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by dagw on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:07AM (#16149640)
hotels would be an ideal case because they have a lot of standard things that need to be folded

Large hotels and commercial laundry operations already have expensive specialized machines for folding. This does not seem to be targeting that market.

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by toyg on Monday January 15, 2018 @06:18AM (#16149852)
> Oftentimes general purpose technologies can come to market only after predecessors in niche areas.

There are already such machines in industry (in garment-making, hotels etc). The challenge is that they are typically specialised towards specific types of garment. Nobody in industry really needs a generic machine; but that's the only configuration that the home market will consider. The only sub-niche big enough that could maybe sustain a specialised machine in the home is "shirts and trousers" - but there the real annoyance is ironing, not folding.

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by indy on Monday January 15, 2018 @03:50AM (#16149369)
Perhaps he could focus on folding towels and then sell the device to the hotel/AirBnB industry?
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by extrapickles on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:18AM (#16149458)
They already exist for large hotels for things like towels.

Fairly expensive machines though, and typically can only fold 1 type of article (eg: need a machine for each towel size or spend time setting it up)

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by threeseed on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:24AM (#16149476)
> but there's a human story here too, and I think that's been lost in the coverage

There's a human story behind every product.

Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by rublev on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:30AM (#16149504)
Yes, and 99% of the time it's "fuck it who cares dude lets just lie we need users". I've been at the forefront too many times. There's never been a remotely 'human story'.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by NKCSS on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:40AM (#16149744)
If it could do that, a 5-10k pricepoint wouldn't be a problem either.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by krzat on Monday January 15, 2018 @03:09AM (#16149252)
Maybe he could repurpose this to fold origami or something.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by 35bge57dtjku on Monday January 15, 2018 @03:56AM (#16149385)
So he's insane?
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by Beltiras on Monday January 15, 2018 @04:50AM (#16149573)
Most founders are, the successful ones at least.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by tonyedgecombe on Monday January 15, 2018 @05:57AM (#16149799)
The successful ones are insane and lucky.
Re:CES Was Full of Useless Robots and Machines That Don’t Work by dkersten on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:25PM (#16151886)
With a heavy bias towards lucky (but they will usually attribute it to everything else but luck).