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Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by jostmey on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:21PM (#16140298)
They trained a deep neural network to reconstruct what a patient was seeing from fMRI signals and were mildly successful. Cool!

Things get really awesome in Figure 4. They had patients imagine an image/symbol that that they would then try to reconstruct from fMRI signals. They had a few successes and were able to operate at better than chance when humans evaluated the reconstructed shapes. That's awesome!

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by pedrosorio on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:51PM (#16140404)
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by caycep on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:54PM (#16140416)
Guess the kyoto group are competing w/ Jack Gallant's lab...

btw, pycortex from his lab is out on GitHub...neat to play around w/ if you have the fMRI data

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by amelius on Saturday January 13, 2018 @02:46PM (#16140957)
But was the network trained on the same individual as it was used on?

Or is it possible to train it once and then apply it to any random person?

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by singularity2001 on Saturday January 13, 2018 @04:05PM (#16141391)
the former
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by paulsutter on Saturday January 13, 2018 @01:17PM (#16140501)
Cool results. Just want to point out that there's a time lag between "thoughts" and the appearance of a signal through fMRI, which explains why the image needed to be imagined for a long period of time (8 seconds).

Most thoughts are more fleeting than this, and couldn't be read with fMRI. So there's no need to get /too/ concerned about the privacy of our thoughts. Not yet :)

> Each imagery block consisted of a 4-s cue period, an 8-s imagery period, a 3-s evaluation period and a 1-s rest period.

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by jcims on Saturday January 13, 2018 @03:42PM (#16141279)
Strap someone to a gurney and you have all the time in the world. Would an fMRI require a search warrant?
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by anigbrowl on Saturday January 13, 2018 @03:54PM (#16141346)
You can't make them hold the image in their head for you to pick it out, though.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by laretluval on Saturday January 13, 2018 @07:40PM (#16142248)
You'd also need to make them keep their head very still.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by red75prime on Sunday January 14, 2018 @01:42AM (#16143123)
There are substances that block voluntary muscle movements. Pancuronium bromide, for example.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by TeMPOraL on Sunday January 14, 2018 @08:53AM (#16144238)
Don't think of the pink elephant.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by v_lisivka on Sunday January 14, 2018 @11:06AM (#16144797)
I can't imagine pictures in my head, so regardless of how long I will think about pink elephant, you will see nothing.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by TeMPOraL on Sunday January 14, 2018 @12:53PM (#16145300)
For people like you, they can always fall back to the old "$5 wrench" method...
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by v_lisivka on Sunday January 14, 2018 @02:00PM (#16145642)
IMHO, thermorectal cryptoanalysis with soldering iron is much more effective for similar price.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by anigbrowl on Sunday January 14, 2018 @06:32PM (#16147223)
OK. I'll just think about something else. I don't know why people think tricks like this work on anyone but the extremely simple-minded.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by aninhumer on Monday January 15, 2018 @09:22AM (#16150660)
I don't know how your brain works, but for most people just hearing/reading the words "pink elephant" will cause their System 1 to immediately bring that concept into their consciousness.

This isn't "simple minded" it's just how brains work, and the alternative of having to actively think about a word to remember what it means, would be much slower.

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by andy_ppp on Saturday January 13, 2018 @02:16PM (#16140827)
I wonder what would happen if you could feed back the output into the visual system using VR in near real time. Would you be able “see” anything you could think of?
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by ttul on Saturday January 13, 2018 @02:17PM (#16140829)
And then feed the signal from that back into... oh fuck it
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by shrimp_emoji on Saturday January 13, 2018 @02:52PM (#16140993)
>Conjures vague, smudgy figures and vistas passable as abstract thought but ridiculous in realization

I want a better neural GPU!

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by partycoder on Saturday January 13, 2018 @07:14PM (#16142152)
Very impressive. Please note this was done with magnetic resonance imaging.

A more invasive approach was this: "Reconstruction of Natural Scenes from Ensemble Responses in the Lateral Geniculate Nucleus" (1999).

- http://www.jneurosci.org/content/19/18/8036

- http://www.jneurosci.org/content/jneuro/19/18/8036/F2.large....

What is a bit concerning are the applications, e.g: forcibly extracting thoughts from non-collaborating people.

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by stanfordkid on Saturday January 13, 2018 @09:29PM (#16142503)
Seems like a weird form of overfitting.

You give the brain a set of images to fit/train the original model. Then you show the brain a set of images similar to the ones used to train the model.

... you will never really understand what the brain sees in novel situations unrelated to the training task.

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by romdev on Monday January 15, 2018 @02:09PM (#16152621)
Here's a related article: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982211... ...and a few other interesting ones from my link archive

Brain map http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/227498-uc-berkeley-team-b...

3d-printing by thought http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20130613-3d-printing-your-th...

Brain computer interface for controlling a Hex Bug and painting tools https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenBCI

Typing by thought https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-human-os/biomedical/bionics/fa...

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by frlnBorg on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:26PM (#16140310)
What is up with "These authors contributed equally to this work."?
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by seanmcdirmid on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:32PM (#16140335)
Often, first author is considered the primary contributor, while last author might be considered a principal or adviser. By adding a disclaimer and listing authors alphabetically, you can try and dispel that misconception if this isn't the case for your paper.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by SubiculumCode on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:34PM (#16140336)
Typically most credit goes to first and last author. However, there are cases where one person needs to be first author, but multiple people are equally deserving.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by Y_Y on Saturday January 13, 2018 @04:07PM (#16141406)
This strongly depends on what field you are in and can vary even between minor sub-disciplines. Also that statement is frequently meaningless and authors get added for politics target than contribution.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by pashariger on Saturday January 13, 2018 @09:12PM (#16142460)
One step closer to Black Mirror Season 4: Crocodile, among other things.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by m3kw9 on Saturday January 13, 2018 @06:38PM (#16142005)
I would definitely buy a play back machine in the future so I don’t have to take so many pictures on trips.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by cma on Saturday January 13, 2018 @06:13PM (#16141910)
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by senatorobama on Saturday January 13, 2018 @06:39PM (#16142008)
Now if only the information from EEG was half as useful from fMRI.
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by cinquemb on Sunday January 14, 2018 @04:22AM (#16143454)
Theoretically, you could do the same thing with EEG via source localization techniques[0] on the EM spectrum.

In my experience, barely any labs have the know how to implement them in a performative manor to pull something like this off whereas a lot of the fmri software is made from the manufacture (GE, Siemens, etc) that transforms the raw data into the voxels that were used in this setup.

[0] http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Source_localization

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by senatorobama on Sunday January 14, 2018 @06:35PM (#16147241)
Sounds like you still need too many electrodes !
Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by cinquemb on Sunday January 14, 2018 @10:30PM (#16148301)
Depends on which brain regions you want to acquire signals from (usually based on the literature), but generally yes, you need to sample from a "sufficient" number of places (one of my fmr colleges has a lead reduction paper coming out this year that will talk about this).

But keep in mind here, using eeg (and beamforming) is still way cheaper and accessible than any fmri machine, though as far as having the skills to implement such, I think it is out of the reach of most labs who do this sort of research.

Electrodes are even getting better[0] wrt cost and actual ease of real world usage (dry/non gel needed/comfort).

[0] http://doc.ml.tu-berlin.de/bbci/publications/GroVoiFaz11.pdf

Re:Deep image reconstruction from human brain activity [pdf] by supermdguy on Saturday January 13, 2018 @08:47PM (#16142394)
Or half as useful as brain implants.