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Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:41PM (#16136572)
Millennial here, thanks for the daily reminder of the future I have to deal with.

Failing government systems, check. Unaffordable educational system, check. Limited housing and land, check. Degrading climate, check.

Some days I believe I just may find a way out of it. But, for every day I participate in the rat race is just another lost when I should be working on building a better future for my family.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by vminkov on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:51PM (#16136649)
Come to Eastern Europe, your student loan money is enough for a whole new life here.

P.s. honestly, I don't understand how ppl who are so hoplessly indebted are not migrating here. Bulgaria offers very cheap life with the opportunity of doing business with the EU and the US. Why work 24/7 when you can enjoy a good life in a place where the local people and economy need a foreigner to lead them in the business and globalizing world?

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by smnrchrds on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:05PM (#16136733)
It is not so easy to immigrate to Eastern Europe from outside EU/EEA. I don't know about Bulgaria in particular, but typically in order to move to another country, either permanently or temporarily, you need to show that you have a degree in an in-demand major, a job offer from a reputable employer in the country, and an official assessment showing that you will not negatively impact the labor market, e.g. by taking a job a citizen could have done. You can't just pack your bags and take a plane and expect to be allowed to work in the country of your destination.

Every election season, many people in the US say "If X is elected, I am moving to Canada." Then they check the immigration department website [1], realize it is going to take multiple years and thousands of dollars for them to navigate the immigration system, and even then there is a high likelihood of failure. So most promptly give up.

The bureaucratic difficulty of immigration is not the only issue dissuading potential immigrants. Language barrier, cultural differences, loss of one's professional network, the possibility that one's education and experience wouldn't be acceptable to the employers in the destination country, family and friends, etc. also play a role.

I am sure many consider moving to Easter Europe, but few end up going through with it.

[1] http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/website-crash-immigration-tr...

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by godelski on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:07PM (#16136748)
Because 80% of people (at least Americans) live <50 miles from their birthplace. People don't like to move. There's a lot of hurdles moving. I know I moved across country (west coast to the south) and there is still a big culture shock after a few years.

tldr: There's more to the equation than finance.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:13PM (#16136801)
I'm considering moving to the east-coast near a mentor of mine. Land is cheaper (when compared to the Northwest) and it's in Zone 5/6 which is pretty good for growing.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by godelski on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:57PM (#16137059)
From my experience, having some sort of a support structure to move into greatly lessens some of the problems. One of the biggest challenges in moving is finding that new support structure. And I guess this also is highly dependent on how social you are to begin with.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by ytwySXpMbS on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:16PM (#16136824)
What stuff has led to culture shock? What's stood out to you?
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by godelski on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:54PM (#16137042)
There's a lot. But to sum up a few:

- The overwhelming political nature of everything here. It is "free-market is the solution to everything or you're a socialist" mentality. The Moore race is a good example of this. The only thing worse than a Dem is a pedo. I'm moderate right, for reference. (maybe some of this is just the political climate of the times)

- Bible belt and churches around every corner. Religion is much more common place, and I definitely get weird looks if I mention that I don't go to church.

- Everyone is big. I mean the obesity thing here is common and I'm shocked at the amount of fast food and all meat diets people do. This can lead to some bland food, though there is also some really good food. Great BBQ here.

- There is much more casual racism here (I'm white, but it is enough that I notice it when I'm not looking for it). Lots of confederate war flags and for some reason people keep telling me that the civil war had nothing to do with slaves. I don't know why people keep bringing that up in discussions that it isn't related to. These things also pop up in the frequent political discussions that I can't seem to avoid.

- Finding friends is hard. Part of this is just moving to a new area, part of it is cultural differences. I expect this to be a challenge for anyone that is moving not into a big area or into a job/school that you have a lot of peers. You'd be surprised how many friends you have because you sit next to them for hours a day.

- Everyone is extremely nice. This isn't really a bad thing, but it is surprising. People will go out of their way to help you.

And there are just cultural norms and vernacular that are strange to me. I'm also in a small town, so that definitely plays a factor. But it isn't a hick town either. I can't escape the feeling that I'm a foreigner. And I think that feeling of being a foreigner is off-putting for a lot of people.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by outworlder on Friday January 12, 2018 @07:36PM (#16137535)
You feel like a foreigner in your own country, speaking the same language, growing up with the same TV programs as everyone else. Now imagine how would it be if you moved to another country entirely.

If the former is cultural shock, the latter is a multi-story Tesla Coil to the face :)

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by godelski on Saturday January 13, 2018 @04:42AM (#16138931)
That's kind of my point. Though if we're being honest, different regions in America have vastly different cultures.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by burfog on Sunday January 14, 2018 @01:32AM (#16143090)
Maybe you should believe them. If you want to feel at home, you'll need to adopt some definitions that are compatible.

They say the confederate war flags are fine. Well, if it isn't racist to them, then it isn't racist to them. You won't fit in until you accept that. There are actually black people with that flag...

http://www.southernheritage411.com/hke.php?nw=006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8hPo6mYnks

Based on your non-southern culture, you're reading something into the actions of other people. You are using an incompatible cultural context to make judgements about other people. They aren't unaware of this, which is why it keeps popping up. You are giving off some sort of vibe, perhaps disgust, and they can see it. The only fix is to adopt the cultural definitions of those around you.

Racism in the south is more obvious than racism elsewhere, but not more common. All across the north and west you can find tokenism and low expectations.

The appearance that everything is political is partly just the times, but also partly because you were unaware of it in your former location. Political opinions in your former location were just the norm that you'd always known, so you didn't really see them. Now they stand out. To see the other side of this story, how things are in fact political outside of the south, read through this lawsuit: https://www.scribd.com/document/368688363/James-Damore-vs-Go...

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by buf on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:23PM (#16136867)
This. I "retired" to Bulgaria last year for 6 months and lived lavishly: restaurants, beach/mountain vacations, travel, shows, massive apartment, etc and found that my cost of living was 1/10th what I paid in San Francisco for less than half the luxury.

I'm only back in the US now for a limited time. I've done the math and found that I need a few more years of work to live in Bulgaria full-time for the rest of my life.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by ridgeguy on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:02PM (#16138038)
Curious about how it's worked for you. Why did you pick Bulgaria? How serious have you found language and cultural barriers to be? As an American (my assumption), how hard was it to open a bank account? Etc. Tnx.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by buf on Friday January 12, 2018 @11:16PM (#16138257)
Wife is Bulgarian. I discovered how great it was by accident, I guess you could say.

I speak broken Bulgarian.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by rhcom2 on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:56PM (#16136677)
Everyone I know and care about is here. That isn't inconsequential.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by Turing_Machine on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:32PM (#16136931)
What happens if Mr. Putin (or one of his successors) suddenly decides that he wants Bulgaria back under Russian control?
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by _old_dude_ on Friday January 12, 2018 @07:08PM (#16137418)
Russian troops need to cross Ukraine and Romania first ?
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by laingc on Friday January 12, 2018 @08:46PM (#16137803)
Halfway there, then.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by Turing_Machine on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:06PM (#16138059)
Also Russia still has a navy and an air force.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by hedonistbot on Saturday January 13, 2018 @01:27PM (#16140560)
Bulgaria is a NATO member and hosts 4 joint military facilities with NATO forces (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarian%E2%80%93American_Joi...). The NATO pact treats a military attack on one of its members as an attack on all of them (including the US).
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by wutangson1 on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:21AM (#16138376)
not sure it is realistic that Vova can decide he wants part of the EU under his control
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by JBlue42 on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:25PM (#16136889)
Only a small percentage would have jobs they could take with them / work remote. What would they actually do in Bulgaria or for it? And this is looking past language barriers.

I say this as someone that had a wonderful trip there and like the country and people quite a lot.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:45PM (#16137003)
I've seriously considered it, but my family is the primary reason why I haven't pulled the trigger. I have Scandinavian roots on my Dad's side and would most likely try to utilize that.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by fineng123 on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:57PM (#16136684)
Because they don't understand. A common refrain about the story in the U.S. of LaVar Ball, the impetuously famous basketball dad, is that it was a huge mistake to send his kids to play in Lithuania.

It's a classic example of "worldly" Americans going to the Louvre and being "cultured" but not having the depth of understanding that Eastern Europe is a wonderful, beautiful place. It's just not as well-kept and poorer so they turn up their nose.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by lozaning on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:41PM (#16136980)
I think there's plenty of room to critique LaVars choices while staying purely within the confines of basketball. The difference between skill level, exposure, and compensation is quite stark between the US and anywhere else. He could send his kids to go live at the Louvre and it's still be a dumb basketball move.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by wutangson1 on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:24AM (#16138387)
Actually, Lithuania fields a very good national team. When highschool kids (in Melo's case) are now having to adapt to the pro level, it can only benefit him.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by fineng123 on Friday January 12, 2018 @06:37PM (#16137258)
You could definitely say they can learn more in the States as the quality of basketball is higher, but they won't be paid until they're in the league.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by Analog24 on Saturday January 13, 2018 @09:26AM (#16139715)
That's quite a sweeping, derogatory generalization
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by fineng123 on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:46PM (#16140389)
The horrible thing about generalizations is that they are so painstakingly accurate sometimes, and they hit so close to home that people hate them. Americans are hilariously uncultured. Do software engineers tend to be socially awkward? Yes. Try to understand the world for what it is or live in perpetual cognitive dissonance, your choice.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by throwaway30yo on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:58PM (#16136691)
Millenial here. I think things are better then you think.

Failing government systems? Have always existed. Unaffordable education? Never went, no idea. Online education still free. Limited Housing and Land? Flyover country, tons of cheap housing and land. Degrading Climate? Yes. But even the most pessimistic projections are unlikely to effect my life.

Its a great time to be alive. Country not at war, unemployment is low, stock market doing amazing, crime is low, tons of new fields are emerging, sex is significantly easier to find then past generations, and the internet is still pretty great.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by tinym on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:13PM (#16136802)
Only slightly pedantic: The United States has been at war for just over 16 years now.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by Turing_Machine on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:31PM (#16136924)
Even more pedantic: The United States has been at war with North Korea since June 27, 1950. The war has been in a ceasefire state for a long time, but there has never been a formal peace treaty.

Although a still more pedantic person might point out that there was no formal declaration of war in Korea, so technically it's not a "war" (it was called a "police action").

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by dragonwriter on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:38PM (#16136961)
An even more pedantic person might point out that while various norms (international or internal) might obligate a country to declare war before prosecuting it, the fsct of armed international hostilities is war in international law (though it may not trigger all the effects triggered by a declared war in a states internal law) even if there is no declaration.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by thaumasiotes on Friday January 12, 2018 @09:34PM (#16137947)
That would be a good argument that we were at war in 1950, but it's not a good argument that we've been at war continuously since 1950. If the fact of armed hostilities is war, the fact of no hostilities is peace.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by nikkwong on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:08PM (#16136749)
Kind of a red herring IMO. Anecdotes only get you so far—when we look at the vast majority of millenials, most of their prospects are not so great. And this is especially true in comparison to the prospects of earlier generations.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by pdelbarba on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:08PM (#16136755)
Come to Colorado. Formerly the apex of flyover real estate. Now the location of million dollar 2000sqft houses. I see maps from as late as a decade ago with nothing on them where whole cities now exist.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by dontreact on Friday January 12, 2018 @09:18PM (#16137891)
"But even the most pessimistic projections are unlikely to effect my life." I applaud the optimism, but let's not minimize the gravity of climate change: the most pessimistic projections involve a runaway release of methane gas which makes life inhospitable on all of earth.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by psyc on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:21PM (#16136860)
I don’t think flyover country is as cheap as it used to be. I’m willing to move anywhere, but after much house searching, the only places I consider affordable now are Idaho and the deep rural south.

I’m with that other commenter who suggested Eastern Europe is much more interesting.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:11PM (#16136785)
Thanks for the encouragement. I'm probably just being extra hard on myself today.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by JBlue42 on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:29PM (#16136918)
Take the weekend off from the news, or longer. Find a good, non-political book and dive in.

I've found it pretty easy to get into a negative spiral when reading about all the shit going on. Our awareness of the myriad problems and the seeming political and cultural insurmountability of them don't do our minds any favors.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:38PM (#16136959)
Agreed. I have several books on timber framing that I need to finish.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by JBlue42 on Friday January 12, 2018 @06:28PM (#16137198)
Nice. Nothing like concentrating on a handicraft to filter out the noise as well. Good luck and have a great weekend.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by noobermin on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:49PM (#16136639)
If you want to be serious about saving our future, you need to stop standing on the sidelines and echoing the defeatist attitude that the situation we're in cannot be fixed. We need to stop worrying about offending a minority of people who have power and focus on ending their political power, because a lot of the fixes will be political and must be.

EDIT: being a little presumptive here, see below.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:55PM (#16136675)
Currently, I serve on two committees with my local City government. I work-trade with local farmers and volunteer with numerous non-profit organizations. I've converted my backyard into an urban farm and have started a composting program with my neighbors. I regularly meet with the Mayor to discuss ideas that could benefit the local community.

All of this is in addition to my 9-5.

What else should I be doing?

Also, I don't appreciate your presumption that I have a "defeatist" attitude just because I shared some of my honest thoughts. Next time ask.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by noobermin on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:00PM (#16136708)
You're definitely doing a lot more than a lot of people are doing. I read your last line as defeatist, and probably misjudged you.

I will say however that a lot of the issues you talk about are systemic and larger than what can be affected by local politics. Compositing programs won't address there are still large corporate farms out there that contribute the most to climate change. The same is true of recycling, being vegan or eating local, etc. A lot of change that needs to occur involves regulating large corporations.

It sounds like you're aware of this, but that's how you address the future. I think you agree.

EDIT: leaving my presumptive comment above unchanged so people reading won't be confused.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:20PM (#16136857)
Thanks. I agree with you about the fact that what I'm doing isn't a direct influence on the bigger issues. However, consumers play a major role in these larger issues.

For example, If we as a society would stop buying cheap food, it would force the hand of these industrial operations to change their behavior.

So I'm taking the time I have now to learn and improve my mentoring and educational skills when working with the local community. In addition to regulation, I also think it's critical that sustainable change occurs from our within society.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by anigbrowl on Friday January 12, 2018 @08:46PM (#16137805)
If we as a society would stop buying cheap food

While voting with your wallet and trying to be a conscientious consumer is great, the asymmetry between ad=hoc networks of consumers pursuing smarter more sustainable choices and people who are directly invested in selling crap fora quick buck is huge. Since the large industrial concerns can spend a fortune on advertising and demand creation how exactly are you going to 'force their hand'? So far evidence suggests they often just create an additional line of healthier-seeming products at a higher price point that can be marketed to your demographic segment.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Sunday January 14, 2018 @11:49AM (#16144958)
In my opinion, the solution here is education. The illiteracy of food is a tremendous problem and can't be solved with regulation. Corporations can easily find a loop-hole in regulations that allow them in principle to achieve the same yield. The only way we are going to stop that is by educating consumers. If a vast majority of consumers read labels, research ingredients, and only bought from local farmers, we would force corporations to change from within. I believe this to be true and a model that works, because I live in an area that is currently undergoing this type of change.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by anigbrowl on Sunday January 14, 2018 @06:30PM (#16147213)
We already have education, every food product in American has a clearly designed Nutrition Facts label and there are ongoing public information campaigns on the benefits of healthy eating.

Surely you have noticed that there are also people who systematically attempt to undermine such public education efforts. I think you might at least acknowledge their existence and the existence of advertising that attempts to bypass educational channels to sell crappy foods.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by aantix on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:46PM (#16136618)
"limited housing and land"?

I don't agree. The Midwest is very affordable. Plenty of land. Remote work is a definite possibility.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:51PM (#16136650)
You don't have to agree, but that fact is still true. I also have hesitations with buying land in the Midwest, mostly due to climate change factors.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by prepend on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:10PM (#16136776)
That’s an interesting perspective. What climate change factors worry you? The Midwest is one of the few regions in the US that stand to benefit from climate change. Easy/West will be worst hit.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:36PM (#16136952)
My biggest concern with the Midwest is the erosion of healthy living top soil.

https://19january2017snapshot.epa.gov/climate-impacts/climat...

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by catawbasam on Friday January 12, 2018 @06:39PM (#16137271)
Just read the text in that link, and didn't find the part about top soil. Coul d you be a little more specific?

FYI - I'm pretty sure central Minnesota is gonna be just fine.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Sunday January 14, 2018 @12:05PM (#16145026)
It's a combination of factors that will contribute to the loss of top-soil. Below I quoted the main references that briefly touch on soil health.

"More heavy downpours may increase the likelihood of property damage, travel delays, and disruption in services. Sediment runoff and erosion may clog reservoirs and reduce storage capacity."

Erosion is harmful because the top six inches of the soil has the majority of microbial life that contribute to healthy soil. When their ecosystem is disturbed, it takes years for it to come back. No amount of fertilizer or additives will help in it's absense and only worsens the health of the soil.

"Midwestern agricultural lands make up two-thirds of the region's land area and produce 65% of the nation's corn and soybeans."

Corn and soybean production has historically used harmful chemicals and harmful farming practices. These techniques harm the microbial life in the top-soil in addition to other ecosystems.

Industrial farming practices are negatively impacting ecosystems such as insects, birds, and microbial soil life.

"In the long-term, climate impacts are likely to have increasingly detrimental effects that increase variability in crop and agricultural production"

When these crops start to die off, the soil is going to be exposed to severe weather conditions and will only make it worse for the microbial life to live. Healthy soil need's protection from UV, typically that's in the form of a mulch layer (leaves, twigs, bark, wood chips, plants, bushes, trees, etc...)

'Many tree species are expected to gradually shift their ranges northward."

The forest edge is Nature's sign of the best growing conditions. Tree's provide protection, energy, and food for top-soil. Without them, it will require significant energy and expense to simulate what they naturally provide.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by meritt on Friday January 12, 2018 @08:03PM (#16137641)
If you think the midwest is safe, I think you should spend a bit of time reading about the Ogalla aquifer.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by dreamcompiler on Friday January 12, 2018 @10:16PM (#16138097)
Water is going to be the most immediate problem facing most Americans in the 21st century. For too long we've assumed fresh water would be infinitely available by simply drilling a hole in the ground. We now know that's not true. We're going to have to get very serious about rainwater harvesting, cross-country water pipelines from desalination plants on the coasts, sewage recycling, and humidity harvesting.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by j45 on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:50PM (#16136645)
Earning arbitrage through working remotely is something many folks have done for the last 15-20 years.

It provide a healthy ability to save and access lasting economic mobility if that's the goal.

At the end of the day what you make doesn't matter, it's what you're able to keep and move forward (or stabilize with).

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by noobermin on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:50PM (#16136648)
Convince the capitalist/managerial class this is a good idea. The other option is to replace them.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by aidenn0 on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:43PM (#16136588)
There's still a chance for you if you can get adopted by someone rich!
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by adreamingsoul on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:46PM (#16136616)
But that's the last thing I want. I want to work hard and I'm willing to make sacrifices to reach my goals.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by mangix on Friday January 12, 2018 @09:21PM (#16137903)
leave the US
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by dorchadas on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:53PM (#16136660)
And that's _exactly_ why I will likely never have kids. I'm a millennial myself, caught up in all that (doubly so, if they remove the student loan forgiveness for public workers), and I don't want to make any child of mine grow up in the world it seems we're heading to (especially degrading climate).
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by judah on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:44PM (#16137000)
> "I don't want to make any child of mine grow up in the world it seems we're heading to"

This is utterly short-sighted thinking.

We in Western nations are utterly privileged and blessed to live in today's world. Abundance of clothing! Abundance of food! Free and accessible plumbing! Clean drinking water! Travel anywhere you like for relatively cheap! You probably own a large climate-controlled contraption that can transport you long distances in a short amount of time! No epidemic diseases/plagues of yesteryear! No famines! The average lifespan is already 80+ years old and that number continues to increase.

The world we are heading to will likely continue to see advances in technology and medicine, leading to less suffering and healthier, longer lifespans. More resources too - there are fewer destitute poor today than at any other time in history.

Warren Buffet said that the moment one was born in the United States or another Western country, that person has essentially won a lottery. Puzhong Yao, a Chinese immigrant to the US put[0] it this way:

"If someone is born a U.S. citizen, he or she enjoys a huge advantage in almost every aspect of life, including expected wealth, education, health care, environment, safety, etc., when compared to someone born in developing countries. For someone foreign to “purchase” these privileges, the price tag at the moment is $1 million dollars (the rough value of the EB-5 investment visa). Even at this price level, the demand from certain countries routinely exceeds the annual allocated quota, resulting in long waiting times. In that sense, American citizens were born millionaires!"

Jeff Atwood of Coding Horror blog expounded further[1]: "Being born today, rather than 50, 100, 200, 500 years ago is also effectively winning a lottery."

If you don't wish to have children for some reason, fine. But don't give us the foolish nonsense about refusing to bring up children in a terrible world. The world is the best it has ever been -- technologically, socially, medically, and probably morally -- and that trend is pointing in the right direction.

[0]: https://americanaffairsjournal.org/2017/11/western-elite-chi...

[1]: https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/951212445426622464

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by carapace on Saturday January 13, 2018 @12:27AM (#16138395)
I am one who has decided not to have children, in part because I don't want to bring people I [would] love into this world in the state it's in.

You are right that we (at least in the First World) are standing at the pinnacle of human civilization. We have access to the knowledge of the whole world, going back throughout much of world history. We have science, medicine, technology that would dazzle our ancestors. All of the great things you talked about are true.

And yet...

I've seen the migration of the Monarch Butterfly. It's glorious, absolutely magical. Uncountable numbers of these gorgeous orange and black beauties fill the air, all fluttering together, all wobbling along in the same direction. It's impossible to describe the feeling of witnessing it, of being surrounded by an aerial sea of these soft gentle beautiful beings.

It doesn't happen anymore.

The Monarch population tanked a couple of years ago. Not enough milkweed for the caterpillars to eat. Too much land has been given over to human food production. People are planting milkweed in their gardens now, but who can say if the Monarchs will rebound?

Our food animals outweigh all other land mammals combined, by more than twenty times.[1]

All the glories of our Western civilization come from an extraordinarily wasteful system that is converting oil and natural biomass into humans and meat animals and trash. There are always trade-offs, and we may well be about to become victims of our own success.

I don't want to have to explain to my children what Monarch Butterflies were, what tigers and elephants were, what coral reefs were.

When the waters rise and billions of people have to move or die, I don't want my kids to have to deal with that.

I don't want them to suffer when the first genegineered virus sweeps through our cities.

I don't want them to be embedded in a technological panopticon that indelibly records their every movement and communication.

There are some serious problems that humanity is facing and I don't have the faith to create a new human being in light of them. And that's what it is: faith.

Dismissing these concerns as "foolish nonsense" is the "utterly short-sighted thinking" in my view.

No sir, I'll keep my kids safe in the Uncreate, at least until such time as things have settled.

"May you live in interesting times" is a curse, and I won't pronounce it on my own unborn offspring, thank you.

[1] > Our phytomass harvests go beyond the metabolic needs to secure raw materials (wood, fibers, pulp) and energy (fuelwood, charcoal, straw) whose inputs remain indispensable even in the age of metals, concrete, synthetics, and fossil fuels. The biosphere has paid a considerable price for these human gains as both its total stock of standing phytomass and its overall productivity have declined by significant margins. And because we are an omnivorous species we have also been harvesting a wide variety of zoomass by collecting and hunting animals as foragers and eventually also deliberately raising them as pastoralists and farmers. These actions have reduced the stocks of wild terrestrial and marine animals while massively expanding the stocks of cattle, water buffaloes, horses, camels, sheep, pigs, and poultry.

"Harvesting the Biosphere: The Human Impact" ~ Vaclav Smil http://www.vaclavsmil.com/wp-content/uploads/PDR37-4.Smil_.p...

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by judah on Monday January 15, 2018 @12:02PM (#16151718)
Sure, there are scary and potentially troubling things going on in the world.

If you are waiting for scary things to pass, you'll wait forever.

There will never be a perfect utopian time when the economy is running 100% efficiently, when humanity is in perfect harmony with nature, when there are zero threats of war, etc.

Your argument doesn't address this simple truth: there has never been a better time and place for humanity as now in first-world nations. It isn't perfect -- as you point out there are serious problems to tackle -- and yet, it's never been better.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by carapace on Tuesday January 16, 2018 @05:22PM (#16163280)
I agree with you that the Titanic is a wonderful, marvelous vessel. I'm just asking, "Hey, is that an iceberg?"
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by judah on Wednesday January 17, 2018 @03:37PM (#16171560)
This presupposes that the Titanic (civilization) will sink (die).

The idea that civilization will die has been a remote possibility for virtually all of human history. That we should not have children because of this remote possibility is fear-driven foolishness.

If you don't want or can't have children, no judgment. But let's not claim the reason is because civilization is so terrible - when in fact it's the best it's ever been, especially in rich first-world nations of the West.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by marcelluspye on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:58PM (#16136695)
I have a similar position on child creation, but I've decided that if I do want kids (don't at the moment, but seems likely) and can afford to, that I'll look strongly into adoption. Seems like a pretty good solution all-around to me.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by 45h34jh53k4j on Friday January 12, 2018 @04:45PM (#16136602)
dont worry. put your funds into 'good money' like sensible cryptocurrencies and watch your savings multiply. that is how we will fight the crooked boomer system.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by the_gastropod on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:02PM (#16136718)
This is really dangerous advice, especially for the poor. Crypto "investments" only multiply by convincing the next person down the line to buy your <coin of choice> at a higher price than you did. Add to this that there are no consumer protections around it, and it's an absolute honeypot for scammers.

99% of the key to wealth is to live beneath your means. It's unglamorous advice, but it's absolutely effective.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by icedchai on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:08PM (#16136752)
I'm pretty sure the parent was being sarcastic.

"The Millionaire Next Door" should be required reading in high school. It has all you need to know about living below your means, building wealth slowly and consistently.

Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by the_gastropod on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:18PM (#16136832)
Ahh! I've been Poe's Law'd I guess!
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by godelski on Friday January 12, 2018 @05:11PM (#16136781)
I may be wrong, but I read their advice as sarcasm.
Re:Half of the US government's financial assets are student ... by InitialLastName on Monday January 15, 2018 @10:35AM (#16151086)
"sensible cryptocurrencies" is the oxymoron for this generation