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Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by KKKKkkkk1 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @08:38PM (#16044128)
I interviewed with Google. All the interviews went well, and in one session, one of the hiring managers was so surprised by my solution he had to look it up on Wikipedia. Next week the recruiter calls me--"We're not forwarding you to the hiring committee. I can't tell you why. Contact me ≥ 1 year from now if you want to try again." WTF Google?
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by dota_fanatic on Sunday December 31, 2017 @09:38PM (#16044339)
Quoting from a recent post, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16023589:

>"Project Oxygen shocked everyone by concluding that, among the eight most important qualities of Google’s top employees, STEM expertise comes in dead last. The seven top characteristics of success at Google are all soft skills: being a good coach; communicating and listening well; possessing insights into others (including others different values and points of view); having empathy toward and being supportive of one’s colleagues; being a good critical thinker and problem solver; and being able to make connections across complex ideas."

Who knows why you weren't chosen, but the above quote probably has a clue as to a potential why. Coming away from a failure and concluding "WTF $OTHER_PEOPLE" might have something to do with it. Sorry for the disappointing outcome; your technical skills can take you far, so don't lose hope.

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by somethingsimple on Monday January 01, 2018 @02:12AM (#16045090)
I interviewed at the Google Kirkland office a while back, and I doubt any of that applies in my case. It was the coldest interview experience ever in my life. All but one of my interviewers were either aggressive, dismissive, or seemed to have Asperger’s syndrome. I didn’t feel welcome. One of the interviewers seemed more interested in showing how smarter than me they were than actually interviewing me.

The whole thing was so bad that I don’t think I’d ever like to work there. Maybe I’d go for the crazy money for a few years, but not expecting to work with nice people.

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by myth_drannon on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:49AM (#16046226)
Similar experience with Google at another location. One nice, one very aggressive and another one border line Asperger's
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Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by dang on Wednesday January 03, 2018 @02:20AM (#16059193)
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by KKKKkkkk1 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @09:58PM (#16044414)
I don't see what this has to do with Project Oxygen. They gave me only one soft-skills question in a five-hour session. It was straightforward and I had no indication they were unhappy with my answer. My WTF is referring to the fact that the outcome is at 180 degrees from the feedback I received at the time.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by FLUX-YOU on Sunday December 31, 2017 @10:02PM (#16044425)
They're trying to say Google's more likely to reject you for a soft-skills deficit, but they're incorrectly drawing any conclusions from "I can't tell you why". It could have been anything from discrimination to a simple mishap of hiring for a position already filled and the recruiter/interviewer saving face.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by twblalock on Sunday December 31, 2017 @11:48PM (#16044757)
Most companies won't tell you why. There is no upside for them, and significant downside if they reveal something that could open them up to a lawsuit.

It's easier for companies to have a blanket policy of never telling than to educate everyone involved in the hiring process about the complex and ever-changing realities of employment law, discrimination law, protected classes, etc.

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by gozur88 on Monday January 01, 2018 @04:09AM (#16045355)
Yep. I've never worked for a company where we told people why they didn't make the cut. Heck, the person who delivered the bad news didn't even know - we selected the candidate we wanted (or none) and told HR to make the rest happen.

In most cases there's no answer beyond someone else seemed like a better fit for the position. How would it help to know you would have got the job if only this other person didn't apply?

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by l_t on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:34AM (#16046174)
Well, it depends. At my job, we do give feedback to all our candidates. Basically, we condense our notes about the candidate down to the most important points and send it to them. We've found that candidates appreciate getting this kind of feedback because:

1. It gives them a kind of closure and treats them with respect.

2. It can help them improve for future applications.

Usually, the reason is not "Someone else is a better fit". We're not just trying to fill one position -- if we find good engineers, we'll hire them. Usually feedback is related to stuff that came up in either the coding project or the interview. It helps people in the same way that code review helps them: by giving them an opportunity to learn and improve.

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by gozur88 on Monday January 01, 2018 @04:32PM (#16048164)
>Basically, we condense our notes about the candidate down to the most important points and send it to them.

This is an excellent basis for a lawsuit.

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by l_t on Monday January 01, 2018 @05:45PM (#16048459)
How so?

(edit: I wonder if we're talking about slightly different things here. The "notes" I'm referring to are primarily code commentary -- the same kind of material we cover in pair programming. As far as I know, we don't share notes about our internal decision-making process, which perhaps is what you're talking about.)

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by gozur88 on Monday January 01, 2018 @06:13PM (#16048595)
Ah... I misunderstood. I thought you were sending them notes on your impressions of the candidates themselves.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by lifeisstillgood on Monday January 01, 2018 @04:38AM (#16045444)
> How would it help to know you would have got the job if only this other person didn't apply?

great way to look at what bothers us all after a rejection - thanks

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by crdoconnor on Monday January 01, 2018 @02:18AM (#16045113)
This is why I don't believe almost all companies that profess a commitment to diversity in hiring. They're committed to diversity right up until the point where not being committed would open them up to a lawsuit. THAT'S when they chicken out.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by nawitus on Monday January 01, 2018 @06:04AM (#16045642)
The upside is creating a better brand for the company. It's a small upside to be honest.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by Realist1337 on Monday January 01, 2018 @08:11AM (#16045938)
I've been in a hiring capacity many times and as explained to me by HR/Legal: Never reveal the reason for passing on a candidate. They explained that in the US, it can provide rationale for lawsuits if the person comes up with some counterpoint, perhaps with evidence that you were in possession of the counterpoint. I am not a lawyer, but that is the reason given to me by multiple big companies.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by KKKKkkkk1 on Monday January 01, 2018 @11:56PM (#16049960)
I also interviewed with Apple in Cupertino and they gave me a clear reason why they passed on me. So either Apple is immune to the US legal system or all this talk about lawsuits is hogwash.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by l_t on Monday January 01, 2018 @09:39AM (#16046189)
IMO, there's an ethical upside as well. Doing the right thing is its own reward, emotionally speaking.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by skrebbel on Monday January 01, 2018 @12:57AM (#16044910)
> They gave me only one soft-skills question in a five-hour session.

I wasn't there and I don't know why they rejected you, but that five-hour session was a five-hour soft skills test. That you don't recognize this increases my gut feeling that the GP may be right.

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by thaumasiotes on Monday January 01, 2018 @03:42AM (#16045287)
Sounds like a textbook example of restriction of range.

If you hire based on, say, STEM expertise, all of your employees will have lots of it. If you then do a study on what explains performance differences among your employees, STEM expertise will look useless, whether it is or not, because your employees all have similar levels of it.

The only real lesson you can draw from that is "don't do studies that have no theoretical chance of revealing any information".

Following your link, I notice that the top two replies are both making the same point.

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by seanmcdirmid on Sunday December 31, 2017 @10:30PM (#16044519)
How is critical thinking and problem solving a “soft skill”? Also, the ability to play politics dominates all of this in determining success, though it is generally considered as a negative for an interview.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by FLUX-YOU on Sunday December 31, 2017 @09:45PM (#16044357)
>Coming away from a failure and concluding "WTF $OTHER_PEOPLE" might have something to do with it.

That's got nothing to do with it, trust me.

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by dilyevsky on Monday January 01, 2018 @05:41AM (#16045597)
I interviewed a lot @google and read other people's feedback - a lot of those were super lazy write ups with questions like "guess what i'm thinking". Recruiting/hiring managers don't seem to be tracking any other metric other than "response time <2d" and interview "training" class was basically "don't ask these things or we might get sued".

That said, a lot of candidates also failed at very basic things (basic coding, cs trivia that everyone should know, experience questions, etc).

If you are really sure in your performance, my guess would be you just got unlucky with one or more interviewers as there seems to be a lot of randomness in the system and they just err on the side of "no hire".

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by twblalock on Sunday December 31, 2017 @11:22PM (#16044682)
It's possible that you performed well but other candidates performed better, and they decided to go with them.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by jedmeyers on Monday January 01, 2018 @02:09AM (#16045082)
Google apparently hires everyone who passes the bar. There is no "we have to pick one out of the current hundred candidates".
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by CydeWeys on Monday January 01, 2018 @11:48AM (#16046740)
How do you know that the interviews went well? Oftentimes people's subjective evaluation of their own performance is inversely correlated with reality; see e.g. the Dunning-Kruger effect.

I've also seen people who otherwise did well technically not be hired because they acted like a jerk.

Not saying that any of these necessarily apply to your situation of course, but no one can really know just from an Internet comment.

Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by dominotw on Monday January 01, 2018 @12:30PM (#16046967)
If its any consolation, same thing happned to me and a bunch of my friends. There is nothing we can do about this, unfortunately.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by bob_theslob646 on Sunday December 31, 2017 @08:50PM (#16044179)
That sucks. Sorry to hear. What was your solution?
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by oliv__ on Sunday December 31, 2017 @09:17PM (#16044269)
That's weird...I feel like it's gotta be something personal. Did you know anyone there?
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by 1000units on Sunday December 31, 2017 @09:27PM (#16044299)
Cool! Can you describe your solution?
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by rdtsc on Sunday December 31, 2017 @09:56PM (#16044402)
Not sure about Google but other companies I've interviewed at made me sign an NDA about disclosing interview problems.
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by jedmeyers on Monday January 01, 2018 @02:12AM (#16045092)
Is it not time limited for a year NDA though?
Re:How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Job Hunt by CydeWeys on Monday January 01, 2018 @11:57AM (#16046782)
Doesn't matter, you don't want to risk potentially burning bridges. The expectation of confidentiality is reasonable in interviewing, and I won't violate it.

I'm currently working at a company that I interviewed unsuccessfully at seven years prior to getting the job. If I'd written up some big tell-all about the experience and waited a year and a day to publish it, it might've come up in a Google search from this round and revealed me as untrustworthy.