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Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by Brakenshire on Saturday December 30, 2017 @10:22AM (#16035596)
I've read about motorized doping in bike races, with motors hidden inside the gearing, I wonder whether anyone's thought about this sort of thing for consumer bikes, and what sort of benefit you could get for, say, 1kg or half a kg of extra weight. E-bikes at the moment seem to have reconciled themselves to being twice the weight of ordinary bikes.
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by tonyedgecombe on Saturday December 30, 2017 @10:34AM (#16035643)
Something like this: https://www.vivax-assist.com/en/product/vivax-assist/vivax-a...

I think the problem is range, you won't be able to hide much battery, the one on my bike weighs 6LBs and is quite bulky.

In reality it doesn't really matter because the motor will more than offset the extra drag and weight of a heavy bike.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by Brakenshire on Saturday December 30, 2017 @12:23PM (#16036187)
> I think the problem is range, you won't be able to hide much battery, the one on my bike weighs 6LBs and is quite bulky.

Interesting, that seems to be exactly what I was thinking of. The good thing is, it seems you could use it without a battery, or with differently sized batteries depending on need. If I'm reading this right, the motor, wiring, etc, weighs about 1000g, then a 6Ah battery another 850g, or a 9Ah battery 1250g. So only an extra kilo if you just wanted to use it as a normal bike, and if you're commuting, you might know exactly what capacity you need, and could just take that. Especially in cities, there's a lot of carrying bikes up and down stairs.

Just needs to be a lot cheaper than 3000 Euros!

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by ufo on Saturday December 30, 2017 @12:23PM (#16036186)
Can you pedal and use the motor at the same time in a regular ebike? I think what the parent posters want to be able to turn off the motor completely.
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by Wingman4l7 on Saturday December 30, 2017 @11:49PM (#16039400)
You can; it's called "pedal assist", and usually, the motor controllers can be set to do it at different levels of pedaling intensity. It's usually implemented by spacing magnets around the crankset and then calculating how fast they're passing by a sensor.
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by matt-attack on Saturday December 30, 2017 @11:11AM (#16035813)
Have you seen this:

https://budnitzbicycles.com/bicycles/view/titanium-ebike

I think it’s the closest you’ll find to a bike the looks and operates almost identically to a traditional bike. No wires, no display, excellent weight, etc. Obviously the price is out of control, but still the right idea I think.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by soperj on Sunday December 31, 2017 @12:31AM (#16039500)
Is it really that bad if you could use it as your car?
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by bufferoverflow on Sunday December 31, 2017 @03:36AM (#16039871)
But you really can't.

1) cars can go a lot faster and on highways

2) cars can haul lots of cargo

3) cars can have 3-6 passengers

4) cars drive just fine in strong wind / rain / snow

5) cars are a lot safer on roads

There are obvious disadvantages too, but, regardless, ebikes are not car replacements. They are good for relatively short trips in places with good bicycle infrastructure.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by marcus_holmes on Sunday December 31, 2017 @05:46AM (#16040106)
If you commute less than, say, 10 miles, to work then they are a functional replacement for a car.

You can hire a car, or a van, for other tasks that require those advantages. Or even (shock!) use public transport.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by bufferoverflow on Sunday December 31, 2017 @07:05AM (#16040280)
Yeah, so if you ignore all the points I've made, it is indeed a replacement. So is riding a unicycle. Or walking.
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by dagurp on Sunday December 31, 2017 @12:25PM (#16041404)
But he/she didn't. In most cities you can rent cars by the hour and that is enough for a lot of people.
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by yodsanklai on Sunday December 31, 2017 @05:54AM (#16040132)
6) cars don't get stolen as easily

I use my bike 90% of the time. But unfortunately, I do need a car for the remaining 10%.

Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by fjsolwmv on Saturday December 30, 2017 @10:58AM (#16035754)
Just strap a power drill and a caster between back seat and wheel.
Re:First 100 miles on my E-Bike by fsargent on Monday January 01, 2018 @10:51PM (#16049733)
You should check out vanmoof. You'd never know it was an ebike if it weren't for the iconic branding.