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Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by 0xB31B1B on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @12:18AM (#16007218)
Also, if current growth rates hold, everyone on the planet will be employed by Amazon in 2 years.

I am not sketical that China has a quickly growing economy, but models that project 20 years into the future often fail to account for black swan events (ex: 9/11, 2008 financial crises, famine/drought, decline in oil price since 2013, etc) that require total model changes. I expect at least 1 of these events in the next 20 years and likely a few. I’m thinking: Environmental crises, Demographics crises in China (too many men, not enough women) Debt crises North Korean crises

Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by fragsworth on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @12:35AM (#16007292)
Also, I wonder how much innovation will come out of China. As far as I can tell, innovation has generally come from Western countries (mostly the U.S.) and China develops internal clones after seeing what is successful. I don't know if the models are taking into account that China will be technologically lagging behind by several years. Maybe this doesn't have much impact, but I think it might.
Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by sixdimensional on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @12:58AM (#16007364)
I don't think we can underestimate the Chinese power to innovate either - consider Shanzhai[1]. What comparable practice do western cultures have?

Sharing and mashing up IP without restriction and less regulation could be a serious challenge to competition in the traditional sense.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanzhai

Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by hkmurakami on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @03:19AM (#16007712)
Imo Shenzen has shown some real supply chain innovation but... seriously you're bringing up counterfeit goods offloading IP development costs onto competitors as an example of innovation from China?
Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by sixdimensional on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @11:41AM (#16009337)
You have to look deeper into the phenomenon. I'm not talking about the illegal practices and poor quality, I'm talking about the fact that these practices often lead to lower cost and accidental innovations due to disregarding IP laws.

I think it's fascinating how certain types of products have been targeted for counterfeiting and how far they have spread. When you look at the ever downward pressure on price (and often, inadvertently quality) demanded by customers, I think it might lead to the conditions supporting these practices.

It's definitely a think outside of the box type of exercise, but, look at open source and compare for a minute. Of course there is a huge differences, but I think the things the comparison highlights are of interest to question.

Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by sixdimensional on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @11:45AM (#16009346)
For the record, my comments weren't mean to be disparaging in any way of the multitude of Chinese innovations. Clearly the Chinese power to innovate has existed for probably longer than many countries and many critical inventions and ideas arose there. For example, gunpowder, paper, compasses, etc.
Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by gaius on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @03:18AM (#16007706)
The IP has to exist before you can "mash it up"
Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by acchow on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @01:02AM (#16007373)
China doesn't need either innovation or to catch up technologically. They have 5x the population of USA. They can be lagging far behind and still have a larger economy.
Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by sfifs on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @12:53AM (#16007348)
in the digital and mobile software space and how they can transform society, i am seeing China a year and a half ahead of US and Japan (and quite a bit ahead of Europe). Same in infrastructure where it's decade ahead of the US. No one I know in the cities in China actually carries cash any more. Often I the foreigner am the only one carrying cash. Living without WeChat is pretty much impossible to the extent i have it on my phone explicitly to talk to my Chinese colleagues. If you have a reasonable Alibaba credit score, you don't need any financial paperwork to get visas etc.
Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by chrisco255 on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @02:49AM (#16007642)
Oh they also have a much more advanced surveillance state, complete with a social behavior score system.
Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by doomlaser on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @01:18AM (#16007425)
Look to a company like DGI, founded and based in China. They seem to be blazing a trail in a tricky technical market: consumer and industrial drones, and manage to be the world market leader.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJI_(company)

Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by SamReidHughes on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @12:43AM (#16007317)
Regarding demographics, have you seen this? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/30...
Re:China to Overtake U.S. Economy by 2032 by igravious on Tuesday December 26, 2017 @01:56AM (#16007539)
To see if you are correct I downloaded an executive summary of the report.

Their model does track energy prices – heading: “CHEAP ENERGY TO DRIVE GROWTH IN THE 2020s” and the impact of climate change – heading: “CLIMATE CHANGE STARTS TO IMPEDE GROWTH IN SOME COUNTRIES” among other things. I presume their model must track demographic shifts globally (it'd be a pretty crap model if it didn't) – heading: “AUSTRALIA RISES TO BECOME ELEVENTH LARGEST ECONOMY AS POPULATION RISES” based on what I'm seeing in the summary.

I don't know how they'd factor in crises such as conflicts and financial meltdowns given that you could make a lot of money if you could forecast such things. I guess they have to adjust their models in the face of new realities. I suppose we have to prefix their report with an "all other things being equal" hedge but they do appear to have taken into account obvious enough factors (energy/climate/population/…) which they can kind of keep track of.