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Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by Shoothe on Friday December 22, 2017 @06:16PM (#15991694)
> On December 5th, I sent a note to a PR contact who I work with on Google-related news and I told him about my problem. He said he had gotten my case escalated and I should hear within 24 hours.

Sadly in all these stories that end successfully there is an inside help from someone that has contacts in Google. I don't even want to think about what would happen to people that don't know anyone inside Google.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by perl4ever on Friday December 22, 2017 @08:59PM (#15992475)
I used my work email as my backup for my gmail account, and thus could not retrieve my password after I left that job (on good terms even, but they would not let me use my old email). Having access to my android phone tied to the gmail account helped not at all.

I tried the gmail password retrieval system repeatedly, but could not get it to recognize me even though I had an archive of much of my email, so I thought I could be confident in answering questions about who I emailed and such.

So, I switched to a new email account. Luckily, I had a tablet that (to this day) is still logged into my lost gmail account, so I can tell that nobody I care about is still sending to the old address.

All in all, the consequences weren't that bad, although among them were the loss of my ability to have my straightforward [email protected] address...unfortunately using just my first initial and last name is not unique.

The concept of being able to reach a human being at Google is tantalizing but the fact is, I have such resentment and bile built up for the way things were designed that I'm not sure I want to reach out. And it doesn't matter a great deal anyway. I suspect in the long run it's lucky I learned not to trust them too much.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by Spooky23 on Friday December 22, 2017 @11:55PM (#15992996)
I have a similar situation with my cable company. I have a mail account that I used like 20 years ago that still gets mail, but I can only access it by copying a cookie to my browser.

According to the cable company, the account does not exist. Somehow between the multiple mergers, it keeps getting migrated but is orphaned from their identity system.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by mehrdadn on Friday December 22, 2017 @11:08PM (#15992869)
Please tell me you've at least set up the email forwarding and "send-as" features so that you can send/receive via that account from another account if you ever want to? And on that note, maybe also set up an application-specific password if it allows you to do this without entering a password? (Though MAKE SURE to test this on your new account to make sure it doesn't lock you out with a password prompt if you attempt this.)

(Although note that if you do this via Gmail it will leak your sending email address in the headers.)

Also, I think you might be able to retrieve the rest of your emails too. You might not have IMAP access, but at worst, you can write Google Scripts and have then upload your emails to another account. It will be rather slow but you should be able to copy all your emails this way. I don't think it should prompt you for a password when giving permission but I'm not sure; again, test this on your new account before trying. Make sure to wait like half an hour to make sure any internal password prompt timers expire.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by MaysonL on Friday December 22, 2017 @07:34PM (#15992090)
My sister-in-law has a blog that sends out email notifications to subscribers (who requested them) when she posts a new article. After a few hundred subscribers had marked these notices as spam rather than unsubscribing, her blog, email account and entire site got blacklisted. She only managed to get this cleared up via a tech support friend who has contacts at Google.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by maxxxxx on Friday December 22, 2017 @07:49PM (#15992171)
This stuff makes me worried about the future. We'll have this massive AI/computer machinery making more and more decisions without any recourse. This will be the ultimate faceless bureaucracy.

At work I can almost every day hear someone yelling at his health insurance company because something has been f...ed up. Once they start hiding even more behind automation how can you resolve anything?

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by dredmorbius on Sunday December 24, 2017 @04:34AM (#15998793)
Automated lawsuits.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by rapind on Saturday December 23, 2017 @12:53PM (#15995295)
I chased down a spam flag by one of our users a while ago (we only send transactional emails to actual accounts) and actually spoke to the user since he complained about not receiving any of our emails.

Turns out he uses the spam button in his email client as a temporary deletion / archive for emails he wants to read later...

TLDR; Many users create their own issues by just not giving af. It reminds me of antibacterial hand wash.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by polkovnikov-ph on Friday December 22, 2017 @10:14PM (#15992707)
Tell her to be sure there is a distinguishable "unsubscribe" link in letters.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by PakG1 on Saturday December 23, 2017 @02:26AM (#15993319)
You'd be surprised for how many technology-inept users that wouldn't make a difference. They'll still mark the email as spam. It's easier for many people to understand and easier to click.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by foepys on Saturday December 23, 2017 @08:05AM (#15994018)
You are absolutely right, e.g. I marked Microsoft's MSDN emails as spam. But that was largely due to the fact that the unsubscribe link in their emails redirected me to an unreachable server for weeks and then I gave up.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by fapjacks on Monday December 25, 2017 @01:03AM (#16002921)
If an email doesn't offer an unsubscribe link, or if that link doesn't immediately unsubscribe me without any extra clicks (e.g. takes me to an "update email preferences" page or, god forbid, asks me for my email address or other info), I click Report Spam for it.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by inferiorhuman on Saturday December 23, 2017 @03:17AM (#15993399)
You'd be surprised how many opt-out messages and messages sent to unverified addresses I get. They all have unsubscribe links but I'll hit report spam each and every time.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by CaptSpify on Saturday December 23, 2017 @06:14AM (#15993784)
It sometimes can be better to mark it as spam. There was a thing a while back where the unsubscribe link was just verifying that you still check that email account, and you click on links, so they'd send you more spam.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by sowbug on Saturday December 23, 2017 @01:02PM (#15995352)
That's closer to an urban legend than the truth. If you once gave them your email address, they are generally good about honoring unsubscribe requests. It's expensive for them to create a high-quality customer list, so they're not going to play games that put them into a gray area. Don't be lazy and classify them as spam on this basis, because it fails to distinguish good-faith businesses from actual spammers.

Senders who bought, stole, or brute-forced your email address are a different story. For them it's just a numbers game. They are, by definition, spammers and should be treated as such.

There is a final group of senders who you did once interact with but who show these behaviors:

1. They are too incompetent to keep the unsubscribe server running;

2. They broke the the mail template so it doesn't point to a valid URL;

3. They fail to control subscription preferences within their own company so that the marketing department keeps using the same old list even though months of unsubscription requests have accrued since then;

4. (My pet peeve) They take you to a blank form that asks for personally identifying information in order to unsubscribe, rather than embedding an identifying token in the email's unsubscribe link. Out of principle, I will not enter PII into any form on the other side of an email link, even if it comes from someone in my family. It's too easy to fall victim to phishing, and I resent any sender that puts me in that situation. If a business asks for any PII to unsubscribe, I close the tab and mark the email as spam.

Any of those get marked as spam. Their intent was not to spam me, but I can't do business with incompetent senders.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by MaysonL on Saturday December 23, 2017 @07:16AM (#15993920)
Mark spam as spam. Unsubscribe from content you signed up for and no longer want.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by CaptSpify on Saturday December 23, 2017 @07:33AM (#15993950)
And how many things are "signed up for you"? There's a lot of those. It's getting harder to tell what I actually signed up for, and what I thought I was signing up for.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by sowbug on Saturday December 23, 2017 @01:03PM (#15995358)
If they say "signed up for you," then it's spam -- it's unsolicited commercial email. Unless you designated someone else as your agent to sign you up for crap on the web, then you didn't solicit it.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by oculusthrift on Saturday December 23, 2017 @02:36AM (#15993331)
me too. i consider it spam because i don’t want people sending me random crap and i could care less if it hurts the person sending the mail. either way it gets it out of my way.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by kurtisc on Saturday December 23, 2017 @04:13PM (#15996288)
Not just that. If I have to follow the link and log in, it's easier to go back and click spam.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by jopsen on Saturday December 23, 2017 @03:25AM (#15993416)
And make sure people are intentionally opting in
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by jopsen on Saturday December 23, 2017 @03:24AM (#15993411)
I'm often signed up for emailing lists because I use a service. Or just gave them my email to see a demo thingy.

In general I try to hit unsubscribe if I know I've had business with the company. But if they are clearly just trying to sell more, it goes to spam.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by chimprich on Sunday December 24, 2017 @09:40AM (#15999706)
I would still consider it as unsolicited if I didn't opt in to receive further emails. Just because I bought something from a company once doesn't mean I'm happy to receive a "please rate us" begging email, an offer to look at their other products, and a "merry Christmas to all our customers" message. Not really spam in the traditional sense but these type of emails seem especially prevalent at the moment and dealing with them is a big time sink.
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Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by MaysonL on Saturday December 23, 2017 @06:41PM (#15996973)
She's a weaver, fabric artist, and teacher of fabric arts. Travels the country giving courses. Sells instructional materials and occasional tools and materials. Not a bit of shadiness involved. Your comment is inappropriate for this site.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by hello_newman on Friday December 22, 2017 @09:47PM (#15992626)
In my experience, that is 100% true. I made an app and uploaded to the Play Store, but it was rejected for whatever reason, and I was told I'd hear back from them within 72 hours. 8 days later after not hearing anything from them despite multiple attempts, they got back to me only _after_ a friend of a friend connected me with someone who works at Google. The iOS store was a piece of cake compared to anything Google related.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by nasredin on Friday December 22, 2017 @10:54PM (#15992817)
I used Tor to access Google "products". After taking a hiatus and logging in with the correct (strong) password Google essentially locked me out.

And no I don't have any "techbro" friends who work for Google.

Lessons:

Do not use Google unless you are OK with losing your account if they one day decide to hold your identity and data hostage.

Even if you PAY Google ("Google Apps" or whatever the fuck they are calling it these days), you are still at risk.

Set up mail forwarding in Gmail and migrate to a service not run by an advertising monopolist.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by jopsen on Saturday December 23, 2017 @03:27AM (#15993422)
Always setup 2FA for anything you care about. Both TOTP, U2F and one-time codes, if available.

And save the backup codes! Multiple physical copies.

If you use TOR you should be taking your operational security serious. Passwords are useless.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by bitL on Friday December 22, 2017 @09:20PM (#15992545)
> inside help from someone that has contacts in Google

The same is happening with Amazon right now; sellers getting kicked out by default and there is no way to get hold of a real person, just talking to some machine learning bot. Real people simple don't matter anymore.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by waterphone on Friday December 22, 2017 @06:35PM (#15991792)
It happens all the time, and there is no recourse unless you can get lucky enough to cause a social media storm with enough outrage it catches someone's attention.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by SteveGerencser on Friday December 22, 2017 @06:44PM (#15991843)
Agreed. I see this story several times a year. Usually with small time people with no contacts to get them help, but I have seen large companies lose control of everything as well. I just don't understand handing over mission-critical services to companies that offer you zero control or support in exchange for free or nearly free.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by maxxxxx on Friday December 22, 2017 @07:45PM (#15992140)
The ability to cause a social media storm alone could be a motivation for having some social media presence. It seems otherwise you are screwed if something goes wrong.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by ortekk on Friday December 22, 2017 @11:17PM (#15992892)
My AdWords account got locked a few years back. It was my first attempt to try AdWords on my website. I've loaded around $20 and it almost immediately got locked (not a single ad was shown/clicked). I could never unlock it or retrieve my money from it. So Google has my 20 dollars now.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by lxchase on Saturday December 23, 2017 @12:20AM (#15993047)
I recently got a letter in the mail (from EY if I recall correctly) who on behalf of Google, asked me if I wanted to collect the unused balance from an inactive account (with options on how to receive said funds), otherwise it will go to your states' unclaimed funds. Perhaps check there to see if it got sent there?
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by mehrdadn on Friday December 22, 2017 @11:28PM (#15992937)
Chargeback?
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by alvah on Saturday December 23, 2017 @01:13AM (#15993158)
Chargeback plus time machine you mean?
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by mehrdadn on Saturday December 23, 2017 @01:50AM (#15993236)
Whoops, yeah, I guess it depends on how many years back it was. I guess it's better advice for what to do when it happens. That said, I know at least bank's website allows disputing transactions over a year old but I'm not sure if they allow over 2 years or not (you may have to call).
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by UncleEntity on Friday December 22, 2017 @08:33PM (#15992374)
> I don't even want to think about what would happen to people that don't know anyone inside Google.

Like me...

Luckily I'm still logged into gmail on the iPhone so there's a (slim) chance I might be able to get back in on the laptop.

--edit--

Maybe last time was a fluke but I managed to get signed in, weird.

Sorry to doubt you google.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by notyourday on Friday December 22, 2017 @10:51PM (#15992807)
US over time has developed this amazing alternative system to deal with all kinds of really complicated b.s. it involves guys and gals in black robes. They even get to say "Agree, that thing you signed is stupid, so we are going to presume you did not actually sign that".

Use them. They are lovely. 1-800-BUILD-A-BEAR lovely.

They also happen to love to smash into faces of smug dumb entities. Like Google. Or Apple. Most often because they have their own horse to ride. But who cares. Just. Use. Them.

Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by mistermann on Saturday December 23, 2017 @10:13AM (#15994414)
Wouldn't life be wonderful if this was true.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by notyourday on Saturday December 23, 2017 @02:26PM (#15995775)
Talk less. File more.
Re:I got locked out of my Google account for a month by fapjacks on Monday December 25, 2017 @01:27AM (#16003001)
I dunno if you're a lawyer, but you should be in marketing.