Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by jagger27 on Monday December 18, 2017 @05:55PM
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Stories like this help me stay a little bit hopeful that if (or more cynically, when) the time comes, we can roll out independent mesh networks to connect ourselves. If our grandparents and great-grandparents could do it, why can't we?
Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by notatoad on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:53PM
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my aunt and uncle's farm in interior BC had this setup until the late 90s, well into the 56K modem era. Remember other people in your house yelling at you to turn off the internet because they had to use the phone? Imagine that scaled up to a dozen houses :)
Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by sandworm101 on Monday December 18, 2017 @07:25PM
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Small world. I spent some long weekends at a cabin on green lake (BC interior) with a party line.
Party lines used standard telephone lines. The joke was that they had nothing to do with the cost of the wire. The cost of the wire is a tiny part of the cost of installing the system. It was the phone company not wanting to install the switching gear. Sometimes the party line was tied together within BC-Tell's box. So when they installed better switching gear everyone suddenly had their own line. That's different than barbwire rigs that ran over single lines. (BC-Tell is now called "telus")
Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by IronWolve on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:14PM
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My folks power company buried the power lines in the rural areas to avoid trees falling and causing outages. They should have ran cable or fiber while doing this, total waste of man power and work. Too far for DSL but they have power.
Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by Aloha on Monday December 18, 2017 @02:52PM
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Something else to bear in mind - most of these 'farmers lines' were one wire circuits - so single wire for talking, earth ground return, local talk battery at each instrument on the circuit too.
You'd get all sorts of atmospherics and other noises during even calm weather (more in storms) (squeals, howling sounds, humming sounds, etc) - figure you basically have an aerial, with an induction coil, a speaker and a mic.
Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by DoreenMichele on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:58PM
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Today, rural internet development is fairly often compared to delivering phone and electricity back in the day. It, too, is sometimes a homegrown affair because it isn't profitable to commercial establishments, yet can serve as a vital lifeline connecting isolated people to the larger world.
Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by abraae on Monday December 18, 2017 @01:04PM
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A friend's rural internet connection was getting 50kb throughput recently. It turned out the line was lying across an electric fence. Clearing it got him back up to his usual 1mb
Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by betterunix2 on Monday December 18, 2017 @12:36PM
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Sounds similar to how amateur radio systems are used by people in rural places, or Fidonet, or other hacked together solutions to common problems. Ultimately these seem to be stopgap measures that are replaced by utilities in the long run.
Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by skookumchuck on Monday December 18, 2017 @04:43PM
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It illustrates how delightfully simple an invention telephony is. I'm surprised with all the effort that went into improving telegraphy that nobody had stumbled upon it sooner.
Re:Barbed Wire Telephone Lines Brought Isolated Homesteaders...
by skookumchuck on Monday December 18, 2017 @04:36PM
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What wasn't clear to me in the article was whether these lines were connected to the wider telephone system, or was isolated to the barbed wire locals.
[0] - https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/devils-rope/
Hell, ADSL works over a piece of wet string. https://boingboing.net/2017/12/13/rfc-2549.html
Ethernet over barbed wire | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15910263
ADSL over wet string | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15908107
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_line_(telephony)
Party lines used standard telephone lines. The joke was that they had nothing to do with the cost of the wire. The cost of the wire is a tiny part of the cost of installing the system. It was the phone company not wanting to install the switching gear. Sometimes the party line was tied together within BC-Tell's box. So when they installed better switching gear everyone suddenly had their own line. That's different than barbwire rigs that ran over single lines. (BC-Tell is now called "telus")
You'd get all sorts of atmospherics and other noises during even calm weather (more in storms) (squeals, howling sounds, humming sounds, etc) - figure you basically have an aerial, with an induction coil, a speaker and a mic.
I wonder which of the following apply:
1) It's always been a popular post and I never noticed it
2) It was already catching fire and seeing it on HN was part of that spread
3) It became popular because of HN
Always curious to see the life cycle of how these things develope
edit: Apparently not North Dakota