Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by leereeves on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:36PM (#15873879)

The paper says:

> ... total diet replacement (825–853 kcal/day formula diet for 3–5 months), stepped food reintroduction (2–8 weeks) ...

That sounds to me like participants were given a professionally prepared formula to consume instead of food, so the calorie counts might be that accurate.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by dekhn on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:39PM (#15873916)

they had to drink shakes, basically. that's the only way to get that level of control.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by mtgx on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:41PM (#15873938)

I think in the previous post that was on HN about this they were interviewing a lady that said she was eating some powder that "had all the nutrients", which sounds like something similar to Soylent.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by CabSauce on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:45PM (#15873985)

There's a keto version called keto chow. There are recipes online as well as pre-mixed packages to buy. I don't know that the study used this exactly, but it's the same idea.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by esalazar on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:57PM (#15874125)

You can get quite a lot of food in 850 calories. Vegetables are pretty low cal. Below is a plan I just created that is less than 850 calories

Total Cals - 836

Breakfast: 2 eggs - 156 calories

Lunch:

2 cups of spinach - 14 calories

1 cup of bell peppers - 39 calories

200 grams chicken breast - 226 calories

Snack:

1 banana - 105 calories

Dinner:

200 grams chicken breast - 226 calories

1 cup of broccoli - 31 calories

1 cup of bell peppers - 39 calories

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by randlet on Thursday December 07, 2017 @07:34PM (#15875705)

That is certainly not what I would consider "quite a lot of food"! If I was forced to use your meal plan I'd eat it in a single sitting in the evening and fast the rest of the day.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by gadders on Friday December 08, 2017 @06:46AM (#15878114)

This is why I hate the term "Two pizza teams". At best that is me and one other person. On a hungry day (say after training squats) I'd be working on my own.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by jason_slack on Thursday December 07, 2017 @08:59PM (#15876127)

While there are a few comments that this is a single meal. This is pretty much how I consume my food each day. The only exception is that I tend to add an Icelandic style yogurt to breakfast and some turkey sausage. Puts me around 1,000 calories.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by imjk on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:12PM (#15874288)

That's very similar to a standard lunch for me.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by sp332 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:32PM (#15873834)

It's tough not only to cut back the calories, but to pack needed nutrients into the few calories remaining. Over several months you could accidentally end up with a severe deficiency of something.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by pascalxus on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:23PM (#15874394)

Spinach can help a huge amount in that because it has soo many nutrients.

Here's my fasting plan: 1 Meal/day 100 cals - 1 lb of Spinach 60 cals of tuna (1/2 a small can) 1/2 lb of cauliflower

That total comes out to about 200 cals and meets aboout 100% of 1/2 of all the micronutrients and roughly 50 to 100% of all the other micronutrients. The Tuna (Selenium,b3,b12,b6) nicely complements the Spinach (high in A,C,E,K,Iron, Magnesium). And you get a relatively high amount of protein and fiber (normalized for cals)

Also, you can use something like Crono-meter to measure all your nutrients.

And btw, just because someone is eating 2000+ cals doesn't mean they're getting all their nutrients. Most of the foods people eat are so devoid of any nutrition, they minus well not even count.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by sp332 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:41PM (#15874590)

Did I misread or are you eating a pound of spinach in one sitting? How do you fit that in your stomach?

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by pascalxus on Thursday December 07, 2017 @06:25PM (#15875336)

It becomes a lot smaller after you boil it. But, it's fairly easy to eat all that, with my vast appetite. For anyone with weight problems, appetite and hunger tends to be way too large anyway.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by DiabloD3 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:47PM (#15874654)

Have you never cooked spinach? It turns into nothing by the time you're done.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by seanmcdirmid on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:23PM (#15874931)

He didn’t specify though. Cooked and raw spinach have very different nutritional properties, so it makes sense to eat both.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by pascalxus on Thursday December 07, 2017 @06:26PM (#15875343)

The minerals stay the same. It's just the vitamins that are decreased. But, spinach has such a vast amount of vitamin A,C,K to start with, it hardly matters.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by seanmcdirmid on Thursday December 07, 2017 @07:38PM (#15875726)

The acid brought out in cooking doesn’t just decrease the nutrients, it allows some nutrients to be absorbed easier, so it’s a bit more complex.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by thedaemon on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:43PM (#15875085)

True, but you should always listen to your body. It usually craves the things you need. If you of course discount the craving for sugars and the like.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by nradov on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:59PM (#15875192)

In my experience "listen to your body" is most often an excuse that people use to continue making unhealthy choices about food. Is there any research data on the correlation between food cravings and actual nutritional deficiencies?

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by firethief on Thursday December 07, 2017 @07:17PM (#15875607)

It's definitely true to some extent. People with mineral deficiencies sometimes start eating eat rocks and dirt.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by mkagenius on Thursday December 07, 2017 @10:56PM (#15876558)

A man[1] lost in an ocean suddenly developed an appetite for eyes of fish -- rich source of Vitamin C (which they had started to have depletion adrift in the sea)

1. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/04/castaway-jose-...

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by BlytheSchuma on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:40PM (#15873923)

Soylent.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by toomuchtodo on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:44PM (#15873981)

Too much sugar (check the label). More like Ketochow (protein shake, vitamins, heavy whipping cream). Each of my servings is ~500 calories. Shed three pounds per week eating it 3 meals a day, no exercise.

I miss the pancake batter taste of Soylent, don’t miss being fat.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by BlytheSchuma on Thursday December 07, 2017 @07:30PM (#15875677)

The sugar is mostly isomaltulose.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by toomuchtodo on Thursday December 07, 2017 @08:27PM (#15875981)

Carbs are carbs.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by BlytheSchuma on Thursday December 07, 2017 @08:58PM (#15876121)

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160216111400.h...

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by toomuchtodo on Thursday December 07, 2017 @09:28PM (#15876239)

I should’ve been more clear, my apologies. Even if isomaltulose is released more slowly in the bloodstream, it’s quantity is higher in Soylent than one would prefer.

Too many carbs are too many carbs.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by JBlue42 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:30PM (#15874471)

How bad is the taste?

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by toomuchtodo on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:40PM (#15874571)

Delicious. I eat the chocolate and peanut butter Ketochow flavors regularly.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by JBlue42 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:51PM (#15874683)

That sounds better than Soylent, tbh. I might have to check this out. Thanks!

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by ketosoy on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:13AM (#15879144)

There's a pretty wide range of products out there right now in the "keto soylent" market:

http://Ketolent.com http://KetoOne.com http://KetoChow.com Keto Fuel http://superbodyfuel.com/shop/keto-fuel-sample/

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by toomuchtodo on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:37AM (#15879378)

Disclaimer that you make one of the products?

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by Retric on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:43PM (#15873966)

... is not designed for an 850 calorie diet.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by ketosoy on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:12AM (#15879133)

http://Ketolent.com

http://KetoOne.com

http://KetoChow.com

Keto Fuel http://superbodyfuel.com/shop/keto-fuel-sample/

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by sp332 on Thursday December 07, 2017 @04:09PM (#15874263)

Maybe not Soylent(TM) but a modified recipe with less carbs (maltodextrin and isomaltulose) would work.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by anujabro on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:43PM (#15875083)

Check out Ketochow

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by ketosoy on Friday December 08, 2017 @10:13AM (#15879148)

http://Ketolent.com http://KetoOne.com http://KetoChow.com Keto Fuel http://superbodyfuel.com/shop/keto-fuel-sample/

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by 0xcde4c3db on Thursday December 07, 2017 @09:35PM (#15876265)

> Also, c'mon, a range of 825-853 calories? Nobody is counting calories that accurately and it would have been better to say "roughly 850 kCal per day".

That range might represent the precision of data they have for the formula mixture (if e.g. macronutrient data is only given to the nearest gram or half-gram and you consider the possible rounding error in both directions).

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by packetslave on Thursday December 07, 2017 @03:50PM (#15874043)

Probably something like Optifast. Kevin Smith (the filmmaker) dropped a ton of weight on it, and it was like 850 calories per day with weekly doctor checkins.

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by agumonkey on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:30PM (#15874989)

who came with the idea of kCal, cal, Cal btw ?

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Re:Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows by sridca on Thursday December 07, 2017 @05:49PM (#15875124)

That's not so brutal when consider that there are a group of people who purposefully consume less calories in order to prolong their lifespan:

https://www.crsociety.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction

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