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Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by losteric on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @02:57PM (#15760002)
A 12 oz can of Coca Cola has twice the sugar content of an apple, without the beneficial fiber or vitamins.

How many Americans are obese because they eat too many fruits and vegetables? An overwhelming majority are obese due to fast foods, soda, snacks, and sweets... costing taxpayers millions of dollars while companies profit from the negative externality.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by NegativeLatency on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @04:08PM (#15760659)
The fiber is really important because it slows the rate of blood sugar change, and makes you feel full.

I could easily drink 2 cans of pop, but could not eat 4 apples.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by pygy_ on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:50PM (#15760498)
How is the food industry supposed to grow if we stop becoming more and more obese?
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by quickthrower2 on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @09:02PM (#15762260)
If we eat better food that is more sustainable the food industry will do well. You replace the giant producers with lots of small farms. People pay more for food per calorie, but balanced out by fewer calories.

The food mafia won't like this though so they'll lobby for laws to avoid it.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by pygy_ on Thursday November 23, 2017 @03:38AM (#15763755)
I'm actually in the process of founding a small farm :-)

I tend to conflate the food industry with the food mafia though, and I'm highly skeptical of the long term prospects of civilization if we pursue our growth-based economy.

Resources on earth are finite, efficiency can't rise past (or approach) 100%, and the amount of entropy we generate today is already too high for the rest of the biosphere, leading to its collapse.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by richardknop on Thursday November 23, 2017 @02:44AM (#15763533)
By focusing on healthy food with higher margin. That could cause people to eat less and be thinner and food companies would keep their revenues because margin would be higher (think free range eggs, chicken that lived outside in good conditions instead of horrible food factories where they are treated horribly).
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by pygy_ on Thursday November 23, 2017 @05:22AM (#15764149)
I actually hope we get there :-) but it would mean that people would have to spend a higher share of their income on food.

When it comes to stripping people of their cash, the competition is fierce, and we humans are usually not very good at long term thinking.

Guilt- and shame-based marketing is not very effective (boasting health/societal benefits is indirectly guilt tripping people), less than hey look at this shiny $product that would make you sooo cool among your peers. Shiny! Buy now! And don't get me started on addiction-based products, like junk food (or screen-based products, be them games or serial TV shows).

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by richardknop on Thursday November 23, 2017 @05:46AM (#15764235)
I mean government would need to subsidize food for poor people. Large parts of population today rely on cheap food (prepackaged meals or fast food) because they can't really afford higher quality more expensive food.

So government would need to subsidize healthy food similar to the way it is subsidizing green energy (electric cars for example). And probably tax fast food so that kind of business becomes unprofitable.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by BeetleB on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:27PM (#15760292)
While I don't necessarily agree with GP, and don't disagree with you, I feel compelled to point out that your comment is almost orthogonal to his. Your points have little to do with what the GP wrote about.
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by sddfd on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:04PM (#15760084)
I absolutely share your viewpoint.

As a consumer, I try to think about the ingredients of a product: if it is mostly chemicals (in contrast do agricultural products), then the product probably isn't healthy.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by KozmoNau7 on Thursday November 23, 2017 @07:36AM (#15764613)
https://cdn.paperpile.com/blog/files/Goldberg-2014.pdf

The "chemicals are bad!" scare has gotten completely out of hand.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by sddfd on Thursday November 23, 2017 @08:03AM (#15764737)
I'm not at all against chemical additives.

I'm just saying if you're eating something which barely contains any agricultural product, you should ask yourself whether this is really healthy.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by abiox on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @05:35PM (#15761288)
well, consider that basically everything is constituted by chemical compounds (an apple contains stuff like epicatechin, phloridzin, quercetin, etc.)
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by test6554 on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @04:07PM (#15760647)
Where I come from, if a person buys and eats junk and gets obese, that's their own fault, not the fault of the person who sells junk, and certainly not the fault of taxpayers. Their additional costs should come out of their own pockets.
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by s73ver_ on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @04:20PM (#15760764)
That's an extremely short sighted way to look at things, which gives a complete pass to a bunch of bad actors in the system.

Why is it always "personal responsibility", but never "corporate responsibility"?

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by NegativeLatency on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @04:10PM (#15760671)
What about the gov subsidies of corn that got us to the current situation?
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by losteric on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @07:15PM (#15761811)
We should tax the companies that profit to fund public education on these issues... If the public is not aware of the risks, they cannot be at fault because they never made a decision.
Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by microcolonel on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:04PM (#15760085)
> costing taxpayers millions of dollars

How do you mean? My understanding is that it would affect insurance rates for the overweight, unless of course insurers are not allowed to set rates based on bodyfat guidelines? I'd accept that it's costly here in Canada though, definitely an increase in emergency medical service load.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by mikeash on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:13PM (#15760150)
About one third of Americans receive government-funded health care, mostly through Medicare and Medicaid.

Additionally, when uninsured people visit the emergency room and can't pay for the service, the ER is not allowed to turn them away, and the rest of us end up paying for it.

Re:Sugar industry withheld possible evidence of cancer link ... by adameast9000 on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @03:17PM (#15760192)
regardless of rates, it puts a strain on the healthcare system