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Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by DCKing on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @07:30AM (#15747427)
Reading these recurring discussions, there is a bunch of Firefox users that used FF's extensions to change everything about the browser. You could change Firefox to be a different user experience entirely. But this has become way more limited.

For users that are okay with the common way browsers work, all this new stuff is great though. Firefox Quantum is so fast and it still delivers all of the mainstream add-on functionality.

I'm firmly in the second camp. Give me any browser that I can install uBlock in (and hide most buttons except back and forward), and I'm good to go. With Quantum, I switched over all my browsing to Firefox. Including on Android, which hasn't even had most the Quantum improvements yet (its UI has just gotten a much needed update).

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by ConfucianNardin on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @08:00AM (#15747571)
The problem is that Firefox was the last well supported browser that allowed for power user features.

With this change, Firefox targets the lowest common denominator just like every other major browser (tracing the footsteps of Chrome). In the progress, it too, is becoming just like Chrome.

This whole saga begun back when Opera dropped support for their 12.x browser, and became just another Blink-based browser. At that point, the only way to get a usable browser (with vertical tabs, MRU tab switching, gestures) was Firefox with a number of addons (Tree Style Tab, Tab Mix Plus, Firegestures).

One may argue that users like this should just use a fringe browser with such features built-in, but that's not viable because they're either unstable or lack timely security updates.

You may also argue that you can get all those features, even in Firefox 57, but that's only true with caveats:

Tree Style Tab still exists, but if you use either the history or bookmark sidebars, you better get ready to switch back and forth all the time (since only one sidebar can be active at a time).

The about:config setting browser.ctrlTab.previews (now also exposed in preferences as "Ctrl+Tab cycles through tabs in recently used order") is mostly useless, since it is limited to the 6 most recent tabs (probably even fewer on lower resolution screens).

There are several mouse gesture addons for Firefox 57, but none of them currently work on Linux/Mac. Even on Windows (and the others when they're fixed), gestures will work neither on internal pages nor on addons.mozilla.org.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by shock on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:35PM (#15750817)
On Linux I use the EasyGestures application which I've configured to send XF86Back and XF86Forward keys for the respective gestures. The added benefit is that the back and forward gestures work in the other apps too, not just in Firefox.
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by ConfucianNardin on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @07:26AM (#15756241)
For anyone else looking, the parent probably meant 'easystroke': https://github.com/thjaeger/easystroke

It's likely available from your package manager.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by shock on Friday November 24, 2017 @03:30PM (#15772853)
Indeed, I did. Thank you for linking to it, I was in a hurry when I posted.
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by DCKing on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @08:45AM (#15747777)
Well, true. You can be a power user without all of those things though.

It's a shame tradeoffs are necessary, but I think it's worth highlighting that it's a tradeoff that also brings substantial advantages. For all users, including the power users.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by lqdc13 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:13AM (#15747916)
Firefox keeps getting less and less usable for me. I'm considering switching to chrome for the first time in a while.

Things that bother me on desktop developer edition:

    * no usable mouse gestures extension
    * constantly changing UI
    * hid really useful things like file/edit/history/bookmarks/tools menu behind
      holding alt button on Ubuntu. 
      Pretty sure that whole menu will be gone soon.
    * it's impossible to clear for example last week, last month  etc of browsing data (not sure if you could do it before).  
      In fact, I'm not sure if I can clear cookies but not site history anymore after spending 5 minutes in the settings.
   
    * tree-style tabs turned into something unusable
    * getting rid of all the rare extensions that worked previously and are no longer supported by the original author
    * tons of greasemonkey userscripts broken
    * greasemonkey a lot less usable now (still can't figure out how to write a custom script from scratch)
Android (Mobile) Quantum takes forever to load pages. As in 5x-10x longer than Android Chrome. Some things like videos from twitter simply don't load at all. Some websites no longer load. Cannot enter data into some text boxes. But don't take my word for it: https://www.androidauthority.com/mozilla-firefox-quantum-and...

Unfortunately, on desktop I'm stuck between this new FFX and Vivaldi. On mobile, I already switched to Brave even though it's terrible because you can't easily google for selected text or select a part of a paragraph easily.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by knight17 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @09:38AM (#15748082)
I also begrudge the loss of many useful extensions in my workflow. It is a sad loss.

But couple of your annoyances can be fixed rather easily:

1. Get back the toolbar back: View (or Alt-V) - Toolbars - Menu Bar

2. To clean recent history: Ctrl-Shift-Del will give you the clean recent history dialog box. It can be accessed from toolbar too: History - Clear recent history.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by lqdc13 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:48PM (#15750942)
These are good. Thanks.

Weird that the only way to get to that menu is through a toolbar that's not visible by default.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by DiThi on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:13AM (#15748335)
I don't think they will remove the menu bar any time soon. I always put it back to always visible, just click view->toolbars->menu bar.

What's unusable about the new tree style tabs? I use it constantly.

If you want old greasemonkey scripts to work without changes, use violentmonkey.

There must be a bug with the new greasemonkey that I can't find the editor either. Use violentmonkey for that too for now.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by CWuestefeld on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:41AM (#15748594)
What's unusable about the new tree style tabs?

I'll grant that the new responsiveness of FF makes TST feel much better. But there's one thing that's constantly giving me headaches. I don't feel like the highlighting given to the currently-selected tab is in-your-face enough, so that I'm always scanning up and down the tree trying to see which one it is. The other formatting options it used have were nice, but being able to at least make the selected tab's title bold was a big deal for me.

I realize that this is technically possible in the new regime via userChrome.css. However, the element classes are completely undocumented so I have no idea how to accomplish it.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by DiThi on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @11:27AM (#15748998)
Adjust the gamma of your screen. I see a distinct shade of grey-ish blue that I can see even when looking at the other side of the window. If that's not the problem, ask TST author since that should be fixable in the addon.
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by CWuestefeld on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @09:08AM (#15756848)
My screen is calibrated, it's not that anything is displayed wrong. I just want it to be more obvious.

Before FF57, I was able to set the font and background color for tabs depending on their status (current, inactive, unread, etc.), and that's what I want now. IIRC, this was actually a feature of Tab Mix Plus.

It's clear that this is still possible even without TMP, but requires putting code in userChrome.css. That would be fine with me, if I could just find any documentation on what element classes (or whatever would be the most appropriate selectors) I need to reference.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by DiThi on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @02:36PM (#15759792)
I did some digging for you in the browser console. userChrome.css can't touch TST's content. TST is in a separate document (sidebar.html). I'm sure the tabs in TST aren't the actual browser tabs, but they're made to look exactly the same as before. Talk to TST's author, or modify the addon yourself, it must have a CSS file, the tabs are "li.tab" (<li> elements, tab class). The active one is "li.tab.active".

    document.querySelector('#sidebar')._contentWindow[0].document.querySelectorAll('.tab.active')
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by CWuestefeld on Saturday November 25, 2017 @02:25PM (#15777476)
Thanks. Actually, it turns out that the latest version contains a mini-editor for the appropriate file (whichever it is). And it includes a link [1] to further documentation about what to do with it.

[1] https://github.com/piroor/treestyletab/wiki/Code-snippets-fo...

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by lqdc13 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:55PM (#15750995)
Toolbar thing is my fault. And violent monkey seems like a good alternative.

With tree style tabs I didn't realize there is a CSS hack to remove the top tabs.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by zczc on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @08:40AM (#15756668)
On Windows [Alt] shows menu bar still, [F10] too. Try [F10] on your system.
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by Avery3R on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @03:11PM (#15751110)
Have you tried pale moon?
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @07:45AM (#15747500)
There's at least a third camp. Those who used extensions and have a degraded performance now too - I'm wondering if all the speed increases people are talking about are only available on the most modern hardware?

It takes 12s after launch for my newtab to populate with icons -- which incidentally I dislike compared to the previous page thumbnails -- there's regular stalling when it fails to respond.

I'm prepared to give some space to get acclimated to new versions, there were font problems on lots of pages (including newtab) for me which I've worked through. But I'm failing to see any benefit yet - even then turning the icon super bright has annoyed me ...

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by Sean1708 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @08:06AM (#15747605)
> only available on the most modern hardware?

Obviously there's something slowing down your Firefox, but it's definitely not to do with how modern your hardware is because 57 is noticeably faster than the previous version on my 2011 MacBook.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @12:53PM (#15749922)
There is something slowing it down, but it wasn't under 56. Might be a localised issue, that's always possible.
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by jhatax on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @02:29PM (#15750771)
You can also restore the New Tab behavior you liked pre-Quantum by clicking on the gear in the top right-hand corner.
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @04:54PM (#15751964)
Actually you can't, you can cut down most things but you can't get previews in preference to icons and you can't get more than two rows (from that menu, you have to go to about:config and browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.topSitesCount [for some reason the browser.newtabpage.rows and ..columns settings are still present but appear to be unused]).
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by weaksauce on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @06:29PM (#15752707)
if you turn off the new activity stream you can get the old behavior back.

browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.enabled = false

browser.newtabpage.activity-stream.feeds.section.topstories = false

browser.newtabpage.enhanced = false

browser.newtabpage.enabled = true

seems to respect my 5 columns and 3 rows with large preview icons.

Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by pbhjpbhj on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @08:02PM (#15753283)
I have all those already; it respects my setting 24 icons (4 rows of 6) rather than giving my prior 3 rows x 5 of page previews.
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by weaksauce on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @10:25PM (#15753989)
well I must have some other setting going on because i have 3 rows of 5 and the other setting is at 24 which both can't be true... 15 vs. 24 total.
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by dblohm7 on Wednesday November 22, 2017 @02:35AM (#15755023)
What does your about:support say about accessibility?
Re:Extensions in Firefox 58 by pm215 on Tuesday November 21, 2017 @07:55AM (#15747541)
I'm in a middle ground -- I did have 'Classic Theme Restorer' installed, but I can live without it. But I have a few extensions which haven't updated yet (most notably 'rikaichan' which provides dictionary-lookup on hover for Japanese text), and some like Greasemonkey seem to have only managed to get an update at the last second. So I can live with the situation but the transition seems to have been poorly handled -- why did the FF which marked extensions needing update as "legacy" only arrive a week before the one which killed them off? Marking legacy extensions a year or so before the deadline might have helped in increasing user pressure on extension authors to convert earlier... There will always be a long tail of "extension author vanished years ago but it's still used by 10 people", but if widely used things like Greasemonkey are only just sliding in under the deadline then something seems to have gone wrong with the transition plan.

And on the "improvements" side -- I have to say I've never felt the browser was too slow. Sometimes the network is lousy, sometimes stupid websites are terrible, but the browser itself has been just fine for me for years. So I'd rather have had a less painful and abrupt transition, which maybe took a bit longer.