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Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by tty7 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:26PM (#15657226)
JTAG is used as a debug interface, so the implication is that full access to intels AMT (where minix3 is said to be running) has been achieved
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by hoodoof on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:28PM (#15657244)
Can you explain what this means?
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by NathanWilliams on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:37PM (#15657325)
With physical access to a machine’s USB 3 port, someone could insert running code beneith the operating system, and it wouldn’t know.

You could spy on user activity, sniff encryption keys etc

Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by gpm on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @06:38PM (#15658251)
As well as physical access do you also need to set a bios setting? It isn't entirely clear to me but the background information article linked in this thread seems to suggest yes.
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by NathanWilliams on Thursday November 09, 2017 @01:25AM (#15660306)
Sorry, I’m not sure, this stuff largely goes over my head. I just understand the basics.

If I had to guess, I wouldn’t be surprised if a different exploit is found that bypasses the bios setting to compliment this one.

Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by SAI_Peregrinus on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:36PM (#15657308)
Full control over the Intel backdoor / remote administration engine that's on all their modern CPUs. (It may not be an intentional backdoor, but it's certainly looking as if it's been usable as one by intelligence agencies.)
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by hoodoof on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:39PM (#15657340)
OK so the implication being that with this thing found, someone could make a USB device that when plugged into an intel machine immediately gets control?
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by mtnygard on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @05:40PM (#15657829)
Precisely so. At least for the Intel machines that have IME features. So all the enterprise, data-center boxes but not every laptop.

Edit: I read some more. It looks like this is going beyond what I thought and affects way more machines.

Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by Someone on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @05:50PM (#15657889)
Reading http://www2.lauterbach.com/pdf/dci_intel_user.pdf, there are two ways to debug over that connector; one using the USB protocol and the other using a proprietary protocol. If this uses the latter, that device, technically, wouldn’t have to be a USB device (but of course, it could still masquerade as one)

That PDF also says your BIOS must support this kind of debugging, and, for the ‘OOB’ protocol, your hardware must support it. So, your BIOS may be configurable to make this attack impossible, and your hardware may already be protected against it.

Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by baybal2 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @03:53AM (#15660865)
Then you simply have to replace the bios with one that has USB debugging enabled. Or change registers on a working machine
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by Someone on Thursday November 09, 2017 @02:35PM (#15665207)
‘Simply’ may mean entering, possibly cracking, the BIOS password (hm, are there BIOSes that use two-factor authentication?). It also means you can’t simply plug in a USB device.
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by baybal2 on Thursday November 09, 2017 @03:33PM (#15665648)
i mean to resolder the flash chip that holds it
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by comandillos on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @05:34PM (#15657788)
As long as I know, is not in 'all' their modern CPUs. Just all the CPUs with vPro feature, that aren't the ones used in domestical environments but large businesses.
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by hypervis0r on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @07:19PM (#15658554)
You're talking about AMT (which runs on the Intel ME - Management Engine). The ME itself, however, is on every CPU (running Minix on Skylake and later CPUs, ThreadX on earlier models), because one of the responsibilities of the ME, apart from being a backdoor, is to manage the CPU: power it on, handle power signals, etc. The CPU wouldn't run without the ME, so it's necessary that it's on all CPUs.
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by mkempe on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:40PM (#15657344)
Given what we know of the NSA's past predation, why would one think this is not intentional?
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by zokier on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @04:51PM (#15657455)
Intels own guidelines say that DCI should be disabled by default, although on some systems that was not true[1], afaik (would like to be corrected if wrong) this does not impact vast majority of systems. This seems more like a frontdoor that is supposed to be locked tight rather than an backdoor. The bugs that actually enable DCI could be more likely candidates to be considered backdoors.

[1] https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTE...

Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by phkahler on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @08:57PM (#15659129)
But once that front door is open, people will be able to walk around in the house and figure out how to 1) finally disable the thing for good, or 2) find a more universal attack that doesn't use that door.
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by chx on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @05:36PM (#15657803)
This link is broken.
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by extra88 on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @06:31PM (#15658200)
They probably removed the languageid parameter, thinking it was optional.

https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTE...

Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by kusmi on Thursday November 09, 2017 @12:07AM (#15660031)
Excellent, where can I trade in my ducky for this upgraded version?
Re:Game Over We Have Obtained Fully Functional JTAG for Inte... by beamatronic on Wednesday November 08, 2017 @05:33PM (#15657781)
All your CPU are belong to us