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Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by snarfy on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:37AM (#15310835)
> In the wake of the Equifax breach, Congress should require stronger cybersecurity measures at credit reporting agencies, as well as for any company that stores large quantities of sensitive data about individuals, even if those individuals are not the company’s customers.

Yes, they should, but that's not what they are doing. They are doing the opposite. [1] It doesn't matter what the majority want Congress to do when they don't listen or care and instead do what their special interests tell them. The 'bigger problem' the article mentions is not that the laws are tilted towards the corporations. It's that they will continue to be tilted towards them due to corruption.

[1] http://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-republ...

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by snsr on Friday September 22, 2017 @07:55AM (#15311308)
What. the. fuck.

http://www.latimes.com/business/lazarus/la-fi-lazarus-republ...

> The FCRA Liability Harmonization Act is particularly noxious. Authored by Rep. Barry Loudermilk (R-Ga.), the bill would cap actual and statutory damages for class actions involving credit agencies at $500,000, and completely eliminate punitive damages.

Loudermilk said Friday that his bill “is aimed at curbing frivolous class action lawsuits against businesses under the Fair Credit Reporting Act,” which contains many of the rules for credit agencies.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by pjc50 on Friday September 22, 2017 @08:39AM (#15311584)
People keep voting for representatives that do this kind of thing. And it's a bipartisan problem, but Republicans seem a lot more shameless about it, especially the "we must prevent the giant monopolistic business from lawsuits by wronged customers or bystanders" language.

Fortunately Wikipedia points us at Loudermilk's legislative history. We can see such gems as HR3441, which opponents say "creates a new definition of “joint employer” that strips workers of their legal recourse for wage theft or unfair labor practices when multiple employers jointly control labor conditions." http://democrats-edworkforce.house.gov/imo/media/doc/2017-09...

Or we can look at his campaign contributions: https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/?two_year_transaction_peri...

"EXPERIAN NORTH AMERICA, INC POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE (EXPERIAN PAC)"

A clickthrough (this is a nice website, btw) shows the total Experian payments: https://www.fec.gov/data/committee/C00379768/

Only $285,000, unless I've missed an "all figures are in thousands" somewhere. That's a pretty cheap way of buying yourself some legislation.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by pjc50 on Friday September 22, 2017 @08:54AM (#15311702)
This is just a goldmine of grim hilarity. https://www.congress.gov/member/barry-loudermilk/L000583 You can guarantee that the title of a bill tells you who it's going to screw over.

"H.R.3330 - Ensuring Quality in the Unemployment Insurance Program (EQUIP) Act" = " To amend title III of the Social Security Act to permit States to conduct substance abuse risk assessments and targeted drug testing as a condition for the receipt of unemployment benefits, and for other purposes."

"H.R.3312 - Systemic Risk Designation Improvement Act of 2017" = something to do with Dodd-Frank

"H.R.3257 - Promote Accountability and Government Efficiency Ac" = screw over the civil service. "Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any employee in the civil service hired on or after the date that is 1 year after the date of enactment of this Act shall be hired on an at-will basis. Such an employee may be removed or suspended, without notice or right to appeal, from service by the head of the agency at which such employee is employed for good cause, bad cause, or no cause at all."

"No employee or applicant for employment in the civil service may be awarded by any court a remedy (including damages, costs, or attorney fees) under any of the provisions of law listed in paragraph (3) in a dollar amount that, in the aggregate, exceeds $50,000."

Then a bunch of stuff removing national labour relations law that would otherwise pre-empt state law; allowing concealed carry in DC by holders of other state licenses; something to do with marine mammal protection, probably removing it; and a change to labour law to require a majority of employees not just of union members in certain votes, presumably making strike action much harder.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by JoshMnem on Friday September 22, 2017 @10:02AM (#15312223)
> People keep voting for representatives that do this kind of thing.

People don't vote (less than 40% in that election). Make voting mandatory, like in Australia (or at least make it a national holiday), and require a certain amount of real political coverage in the media -- politicians would then better reflect the needs of the people.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by SOLAR_FIELDS on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:03AM (#15312795)
Other nice ideas:

> Cap political donations

> Reduce allotted time for campaigning to something like 2 months, and maybe have it publicly funded like Australia

> Use open source congressional redistricting algorithms

> Eliminate First Past the Post

> Eliminate straight ticket voting

All pretty nice ideas that mostly everyone that isn't in power can get behind

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by conanbatt on Friday September 22, 2017 @10:23PM (#15317688)
> Reduce allotted time for campaigning to something like 2 months, and maybe have it publicly funded like Australia

I do want to say that public funding also comes with its issues. Its the way most parties in Argentina fund themselves and because all of them do, all parties get to put their hand of the State coffers during elections. So much, they made an electoral reform to have another round of elections, just to be able to spend more money on pork.

There is no solution to funding political parties that wont screw someone. Its yet another example of diminishing the scope of government so they just steal less of it.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by mobilefriendly on Friday September 22, 2017 @12:01PM (#15313327)
Direct political donations (known as hard money) are already capped in the U.S. Beyond that, the U.S. has a tradition of free speech, which means that direct public funding and limits on general political activity (party building, voter education spending) are unconstitutional. So those cannot be capped.
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by BoiledCabbage on Saturday September 23, 2017 @08:15AM (#15319398)
> Beyond that, the U.S. has a tradition of free speech

As well as a tradition of placing limits on free speech when appropriate.

Which is a larger threat to our country? Democratically elected officials not supporting the views of those that elected them? Or capping the amount of influence a single group can financially have?

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by syshum on Friday September 22, 2017 @12:58PM (#15313848)
People do not vote because their vote does not matter, politicians do not care what the majority voters want, they care about selected few elite voters want

Want to get more people voting there are a few things that need to change

1. End First past the post... Anything is better, IRV, Alternative Vote, something else.

2. End 2 Party Gerrymandering, Parties should not have any control over distracting at all Should follow some other function like Zip Code, or Taxing Jurisdiction, or some other government function, not just for voting

3. Implement the Wyoming Rule for for congress

4. Pipe Dream... Put the federal government back into constitutional limits and reverse Wikard v Filburn or pass a law that renders it void

1-3 would do alot, #4 would do the most good

Election reform, (not election finance ) is needed but too many people focus on the money, the money is just a symptom of the problem, not the actual problem. Solve the underlying systemic issue with the voting process and the money becomes pointless and will dry up on its own

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by cloakandswagger on Friday September 22, 2017 @12:14PM (#15313439)
Mandatory voting, what an absurd idea.

If you can't get people to voluntarily participate in democracy then you have a failed implementation of it.

Furthermore, the ability to not vote is a powerful and necessary option, as it's hard for those in power to imply that they have a mandate if <10% of the population actually participated in it.

I don't know what mandatory voting accomplishes except giving those in power the ability to say, "Tut tut! No complaining! You got your vote, after all."

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by pjc50 on Friday September 22, 2017 @07:42PM (#15316959)
Mandatory voting doesn't actually require a choice, you can just file a blank ballot.

What it does completely deal with is the voter registration question.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by undersuit on Friday September 22, 2017 @05:33PM (#15316034)
You still have the ability to not vote, Australia just fines you for not voting. What's more powerful of a statement: not voting with no obligation to vote, or not voting in spite of the punishment?
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by tertius on Friday September 22, 2017 @10:58AM (#15312752)
> and require a certain amount of real political coverage in the media

"Require" and "free press" don't go together unfortunately.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by stanleydrew on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:08AM (#15312840)
This is not true. The first amendment says the government can't pass laws to suppress free speech. And in fact the press is required to do all sorts of things for the public good, such as:

https://www.fcc.gov/general/emergency-alert-system-eas

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by JoshMnem on Friday September 22, 2017 @12:10PM (#15313403)
It's a complicated issue, but see also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by dasil003 on Friday September 22, 2017 @10:57AM (#15312741)
Here's an idea: use leaked data that has become publicly accessible to find real constituents of every congressperson and then impersonate those people to complain about these bills enabling identity theft. Best done by snail mail, with a CC to the "victim".
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by uptown on Friday September 22, 2017 @08:42AM (#15311602)
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by chiph on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:49AM (#15312111)
IANAL and haven't explored the feasibility of this, but the CRA firms got your data via your banks because in the fine print when you opened an account there's a phrase about "We will share your data with our trusted third parties".

Well, the third parties haven't proven to be all that trustworthy, so suing your bank & credit-card firm(s) for releasing your information might be an interesting approach to take. If the CRAs have the source of their data cut to a trickle, they might start taking this seriously.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by ams6110 on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:07AM (#15311790)
Not to defend this congressman, because I've never heard of him and I don't know anything about him, but frivolous lawsuits are a thing, and though you'd expect a judge to recognize them, by the time it gets to that point a lot of time and money has already been wasted.

And not to defend Equifax, because how can you, but a lot of people make their living there and in general corporations deserve reasonable protection under the law just like individuals do. After all most of them are net positives for society: they provide employment, benefits, and many support their local communities in a variety of other ways.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by wdbbdw on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:21AM (#15311886)
If you're going to defend this congressman and Equifax, at least lose the weasel words prepending your defense. Getting some slimy congressman to introduce legislation to preemptively cap the restitution people can get when Equifax messes up isn't "reasonable protection under the law", it's an attempt at stripping away of the rights of individuals to the great benefit of the corporation. Gross.
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by TFortunato on Friday September 22, 2017 @12:04PM (#15313359)
Of course frivolous lawsuits are a thing, but this law is a fucking joke. It limits the TOTAL recovery of the CLASS to $500,000, not just for the lawsuit, but also of any following "series of class actions arising out of the same failure to comply".

Meaning that if they lose their court case, they can still continue to behave badly, and not face any additional fines once they hit that measly total.

Oh, and just in case that $500,000 might hit some small "mom-and-pop" credit reporting agency, the total damage that can be awarded (again IN TOTAL TO THE ENTIRE CLASS), is the lesser of $500,000 or 1% of the net worth of the person/corporation the suit is being brought against.

Meaning we are basically saying "you can't actually bring a suit against them that could cause them enough damage to actually change their shitty behavior"

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by Clubber on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:19AM (#15311872)
>but frivolous lawsuits are a thing, and though you'd expect a judge to recognize them, by the time it gets to that point a lot of time and money has already been wasted.

Yes, but I would guess, more frivolous lawsuits are filed by corporations looking to silence critics or competition more so than ambulance chasers. They certainly have deeper pockets.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by tfandango on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:50AM (#15313236)
And, I guess we should have some faith in our legal system to ultimately sniff out frivolous lawsuits and dismiss them. I understand that there's a cost to a lawsuit on both sides but it seems this could be (and possibly already is in the form of counter suits for costs) addressed.
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by Clubber on Saturday September 23, 2017 @11:32AM (#15320170)
> guess we should have some faith in our legal system to ultimately sniff out frivolous lawsuits and dismiss them.

Hah. I'm not sure I would go that far.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by RangerScience on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:18AM (#15311868)
> they provide employment, benefits, and many support their local communities in a variety of other ways.

I mean I hear you - corporations are important, as they're a great way for a group of people to accomplish something together - but if the most important thing you do for society is employment, you sound like a pretty shit corporation.

On the other hand, The New Deal did a lot of that. Hmmm.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by al3xnull on Friday September 22, 2017 @10:58AM (#15312746)
I don't think he was saying it's sole importance was employment. If you had read the sentence in a more critical manner, the purpose of the corporation is to generate value. They can't provide employment to citizens, tax money for the government, or help in charity work without generating monetary value for it's products or services.

The New Deal(s) did not really do the above. Although it really provided value in the form of infrastructure as well as employment to citizens it had to take money from people as well as borrow large amounts to do it.

Hating on corporations and trading them for the government as a pseudo-corporation is just as bad. Sounds like a comment dripping with naivety from a college history class as if it's a final 'gotchya' against someone who is looking at the situation from all avenues.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by RangerScience on Friday September 22, 2017 @04:14PM (#15315388)
Where in the sentence is the purpose of corporations mentioned?

There are definitely corporations that provide employment, tax money, and/or charity work without generating monetary value (how long until Facebook actually sold anything?). But you're larger point is correct; those companies either don't last, or don't stay in that state.

The entire point of the New Deal was to provide employment first and foremost (then, why not do something possibly useful with those employees? Hence the infrastructure.)

> take money from people as well as borrow large amounts to do it.

How is this different from any other corporation? Every company I interact with - including the ones I don't pay - takes value from me; and most (if not all) have taken loans and/or investment. Usually it is money, and I get back something; but it's not like I gave Equifax my personal info [from which the took monetary value].

While yes, taxes ARE categorically different than prices (and bonds are different than stocks), you can still definitely adopt the perspective that they're how you pay for all the civilization supplied by the society you're a part of. And if you don't want to pay for those things, there's still ways to stop; and you don't even have to give up all the things you're getting for the price you're no longer paying.

I'm not hating on corporations. I'm saying that I would expect a corporation whose primary purpose is employment of people to do a poor overall job of adding value to society; at least compared to corporations with goals of delivering products or services.

It's not a question of "does this not produce value", it's a question of which kind of value is most produced.

...And I'm probably wrong anyway, because that's basically what temp agencies do.

Overall, your reply sounds like a comment arguing with an imaginary person you disagree with as if your imagined reality resembles the real thing. Try starting with a question next time, it'll help you figure out if what you think is going is actually what's going on.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by bryanrasmussen on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:44AM (#15312081)
If I could make 1 frivolous lawsuit at 500,000 a year I guess I would be reasonably happy.

And why exactly is it that the size of the lawsuit is a strong indicator of frivolity? I would expect the oppsosite, as a frivolous lawsuit business I believe my interests would lie in doing 100 lawsuits at 10,000 a year rather than one at a 1,000,000.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by bbarn on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:19AM (#15311874)
The credit system as is massively contributes to wealth inequality in this country. You can't get credit without money, and you can't (easily) get more money at a reasonable interest rate without credit. Couple that with underreporting agencies like utility companies, and landlords, it really only benefits the middle class (and then only if they are upwardly mobile).

That's not a net positive to society in my eyes.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by al3xnull on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:12AM (#15312876)
Removal of the credit system won't help either. Assuming no one was able to borrow or ask others to borrow (since it would probably just bring back the current system eventually), the rich would still be rich and the poor would still be poor except the poor and middle class would have no way to raise capital at all for a venture that could propel them.

Why should someone whom is asking for money with no way to pay it back get the same preference as someone asking to borrow money who has a history of solid payments and has enough capital they could liquify to pay off at least 50% of the amount tomorrow?

I don't think that utility companies or landlords under report although I understand that it would be nice if they reported more for beginning creditors. The distinction for why they aren't included is that they aren't lending you money. You are only paying for their services as you use them. Once in default, they are effectively loaning to you at that point though with a balance to be paid. Do you think the IT technician whom invoiced you for $2500 in work should also report as well? [shrugs] Guess I don't want all balanced from whom provided me a service to be in a credit report for 7 years but I understand that is just me.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by bbarn on Friday September 22, 2017 @03:31PM (#15315042)
The point I'm really getting at here, when I say underreporting, is that I would make a guess that those who have good rental and utility payment history would also be safer bets for credit than those who do not.
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by revmoo on Friday September 22, 2017 @07:59AM (#15311328)
> Loudermilk said Friday that his bill “is aimed at curbing frivolous class action lawsuits against businesses under the Fair Credit Reporting Act,”

Has this ever even happened?

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by ceejayoz on Friday September 22, 2017 @10:15AM (#15312328)
Sure, when you define "frivolous" as "anything aimed at one of my campaign contributors".
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by ensignavenger on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:18AM (#15311864)
While I agree that the proposed legislation is probably terrible, this opinion piece uses weasel words like "republicans" and "democrats" when they only cite I think 2 republicans that are supporting the proposal- out of all of the republicans in Congress! While it may be technically accurate (they are republicans) it is important to remember the spin on political pieces like this.

Not all 'republicans' and not all 'democrats' are the same.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by pjc50 on Friday September 22, 2017 @10:32AM (#15312507)
That's not a weasel word, that's literally a party descriptor. The 2 republicans are the sponsors of the bill. While it's possible that it's not widely supported by the party, there's at least four names on it which are mentioned in the text, all of which appear to be R. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/2359...

Including terrorist supporter Pete King. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03...

Incidentally, it was introduced before the Equifax disaster ...

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by eutropia on Friday September 22, 2017 @02:38PM (#15314620)
It was introduced in May -- Equifax was breached at least as far back as March. Given that C-level executives made substantially beneficial trades 'without knowledge' of the breach, I wonder how far back this goes. Especially because their original story had the date of breach happening after this bill was introduced. /tinfoilhat
Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by TFortunato on Friday September 22, 2017 @12:08PM (#15313390)
Sure they aren't all the same, but I guess I would ask what's your threshold on whether using the party name is weasel-y?

Because it has 13 Co-sponsors, all republicans and no democrats. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/2359...

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by ensignavenger on Friday September 22, 2017 @02:53PM (#15314754)
A less weaselly way to say it would have been to say " Rep. Loudermilk, Barry [R-GA] along with 13 republican co-sponsers proposed ..." and then linked to the list of who they are, like you did.

Further, this was filed long before the breech, yet the piece tries to say that these representatives were doing it "despite" the breech was made public. Some of those listed may still be backing this, and it was (likely, I haven't read it myself) terrible legislation to begin with, but based on the evidence available, it is stretching to make the claims that the opinion piece does about them doing it "even as" the fallout from the breech is settling.

While I am glad they are covering the proposed legislation and bringing it to the publics attention, the piece is worded in a very weasely way.

Re:The Equifax disaster points to a much bigger problem by TFortunato on Friday September 22, 2017 @03:06PM (#15314859)
I'll give you the point about the way it was worded w.r.t. when the breach was announced. On that though, I did want to point out that if you look at the list of co-sponsors, the last person to sponsor it was Rep Williams of Texas, ON 9/7/17, the day Equifax announced the breach, which is probably just really bad timing that day on his / his staff's part, but also looks LOOKS really terrible, regardless of the actual reason behind it.