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Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by lathiat on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:26PM (#15299872)
This is actually fantastic, I am really happy about this.

Two main reasons (1) If you disable Wi-Fi its re-enabled when you goto a new location. Very often I disable wifi to temporarily get off a bad network in an area, and then curse when I get home and stream a 1GB video over 3G

(2) Much more user friendly for initiated actions

(3) You can still fully disable it by going into settings, but the quick-off is more like you expect.

Great work, Apple.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by protomyth on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:35PM (#15300410)
> This is actually fantastic, I am really happy about this.

This is not fantastic, my phone is lying to me. I was wondering what the bug was because I turned off Bluetooth and it kept turning back on every damn time I got near my car. I want it on when I want it on and not anytime else.

Icons and OSes that lie to user make it tougher to understand what's going on. I expect the control center to tell the truth and do what I want. There is no indication that the settings and control center are different. This is a user hostile decision.

Cruddy work, Apple... now I get to answer questions about this psychotic crud.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by Osmium on Thursday September 21, 2017 @01:30AM (#15300808)
> my phone is lying to me.

If you force touch the UI, it does say "Not Connected" when you hit the button, not "Disabled."

I can understand the confusion, because they have re-used an old UI element for a new purpose, but there's no reason the button should mean "Disable Radio" rather than "Disconnect." And as cptide mentions, the button now has three states: blue for connected, grey for disconnected, grey with a line through for disabled. Once you know this, I think it makes a lot of sense.

If you want the old behavior, it's still there in settings, where the on-off toggle will turn off the radio itself.

Personally, I much prefer the new system (I far more often just want to disconnect from the current network/devices than disable it entirely), and think the new control center is much improved over the old one.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by tradesmanhelix on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:55AM (#15302166)
Problem being not all iOS 11 users have force touch-enabled devices. I have the iPhone 6, for example, so all I have to go on is the Control Center button icons which are misleading. Apple really should have either mentioned this change in the Tips app or not enabled it by default but instead given users an option.

Additionally, it should be noted that leaving Bluetooth always on just add another attack surface to my phone and consumes unnecessary energy since I don’t own any Bluetooth accessories. Really wondering what the heck Apple was thinking here not making this a setting and enabling it by default.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by dan1234 on Thursday September 21, 2017 @08:42AM (#15302737)
On non-3d touch devices you just tap and hold until the action triggers.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by tradesmanhelix on Thursday September 21, 2017 @10:53AM (#15304008)
That's handy to know, thank you.

Looking at this popup control though, the only indication that, for example, wifi is merely no longer connected versus turned off is the text under the icon, which, had I not been aware of this issue, I would probably not have bothered to read.

However, even reading the text under the button, "Not Connected" is ambiguous given the previous behavior of the button. In other words, without additional context, "Not Connected" probably means "Turned Off" to the majority of users. It's only when you get pedantic about things that it becomes clear that tapping the wifi icon in the Control Center in iOS 11 and seeing the text "Not Connected" means my wifi is still on and that I'm just no longer connected to a wifi network.

^^ Furthermore, I'd be 100% OK with this change if I'd at least been made aware of it. However, the more I think about the way this was handled by Apple, the more it really just seems like UX arrogance: Someone decided that my phone's Bluetooth and wifi should always be on, and they changed existing functionality accordingly and with no indication to me as the user that things are different now.

Not sure how else this can be taken??

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by bonzini on Thursday September 21, 2017 @03:09AM (#15301135)
They could have used 3d touch. That would have made a lot of sense, I agree.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by toomuchtodo on Thursday September 21, 2017 @01:46AM (#15300858)
> If you want the old behavior, it's still there in settings, where the on-off toggle will turn off the radio itself.

Could a setting to revert the behavior not have been provided? Instead of forcing an entirely new behavior on existing users? Now I'm trying to figure out how to ensure my phone doesn't auto update to 11.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by Osmium on Thursday September 21, 2017 @01:53AM (#15300883)
It's a fair request, but there are so many areas of the OS that have small decisions like this, if there were a setting for all of them... Settings.app is already a little burdened under its own weight (though the search bar has helped a bit).

The set-up process for a new iPhone is also reaching crazy levels, with so many decisions for new users to make.

Don't really know what the solution to this is to be honest -- Linux-style config files maybe? :P

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by ghaff on Thursday September 21, 2017 @05:33AM (#15301831)
You don't deserve the downvotes but, honestly, it's a pretty techie view of the world in which everything everywhere should have a zillion customizable settings to tweak and tune every aspect of interactions/user experience. I sometimes appreciate this myself. But, most of the time, I overall prefer that someone has created a streamlined experience and made decisions for me.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by toomuchtodo on Thursday September 21, 2017 @10:06AM (#15303511)
I don't pay an excessive premium to Apple to make poor decisions for me. I could avoid touch bar and USB C by just not buying their new products. I can't avoid poor decisions pushed on me through updates for products I've already paid for.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by ghaff on Thursday September 21, 2017 @10:30AM (#15303773)
Which is why having choice of products to buy is a great thing. By all means buy platforms that give you a greater degree of customization if that's your preference. But understand that different people have different priorities and one path isn't inherently better than the other.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by earenndil on Friday September 22, 2017 @11:01PM (#15317829)
The phone will automatically download the update, but not install it. To delete it, go to settings->general->storage and icloud usage->Manage Storage (there are two buttons that say this, click the top one). If the update downloaded, it should be there. Tap on it and click delete.

The other thing you can do is install a tvOS beta configuration profile. This will make your phone look for tvOS updates rather than iOS updates, which it will not install because they're not for ios. I won't post a link here, but it should be fairly straightforward to find.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by ctpide on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:43PM (#15300441)
When you enable airplane mode, you can actually see WiFi and Bluetooth crossed out as opposed to grayed out. So there is a difference in UI, but I agree - this is not intuitive to the user.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by aluhut on Thursday September 21, 2017 @05:18AM (#15301765)
> Icons and OSes that lie to user make it tougher to understand what's going on.

Isn't the Apple approach that you just don't have to understand because the OS and their inventors know what's good for you? The main argument I hear from Apple users is that they don't have to care about anything and it works.

If you would really want to understand your mobiles OS, you would surely look towards other OSes.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by tradesmanhelix on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:57AM (#15302177)
The issue isn’t understanding the OS. The issue is a misleading and/or poorly designed UI.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by lawlessone on Thursday September 21, 2017 @05:53AM (#15301901)
>you would surely look towards other OSes.

I know i will

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by clouddrover on Thursday September 21, 2017 @12:35AM (#15300619)
> (3) You can still fully disable it by going into settings, but the quick-off is more like you expect.

For me, I expect off to be off. What annoys me about this change is that the on\off behaviour is now asymmetric. If I turn off Wi-Fi in Settings, I can turn it back on via Control Centre but I now can't turn it off via Control Centre.

My preference is always to leave Wi-Fi off, turn it on when I want to use it, and then turn it off when I'm finished. This change makes doing that slower and clumsier.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by coldtea on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:30AM (#15302045)
>My preference is always to leave Wi-Fi off, turn it on when I want to use it, and then turn it off when I'm finished. This change makes doing that slower and clumsier.

It's exactly this micro-management that they try to obliterate, similar to this:

https://www.wired.com/2016/03/closing-apps-save-battery-make...

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by BoorishBears on Thursday September 21, 2017 @03:52AM (#15301328)
Reminds me of this: https://xkcd.com/1172/

I think for the majority of users this is a really insightful change that addresses one of the biggest use cases the switch had (temporarily disable WiFi to get away from a bad connection) and one of the biggest issues it had for that use case (it was easy to turn it off and waste large amounts of relatively expensive wireless data)

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by jaclaz on Thursday September 21, 2017 @05:20AM (#15301774)
>My preference is always to leave Wi-Fi off, turn it on when I want to use it, and then turn it off when I'm finished. This change makes doing that slower and clumsier.

Right!

But the good Apple developers believe that this way your experience will be somehow inferior:

From the article: >For the best experience on your iOS device, try to keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth turned on.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by BoorishBears on Thursday September 21, 2017 @10:07AM (#15303519)
Wifi being off definitely reduces the performance of Location services.

In my parking garage the car charger needs to be activated via an app, and it needs to detect your location as within 100ft of the charger. Without WiFi, my location accuracy shows up as almost +-1 mile and I can't turn it on. As soon as I turn on WiFi it instantly snaps to exit of the garage (probably from correlating detecting apartment wifi hotspots along with my car's hotspot and my location as I leave the garage)

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by jaclaz on Friday September 22, 2017 @04:14AM (#15310252)
>In my parking garage the car charger needs to be activated via an app, and ...

Which is a good example of a specific case where the feature is useful, and noone - I believe - is contrary to it in an absolute way.

But the parent commenter surely has his reasons to keep Wi-Fi off unless he wants it used, and this change does create an asimmetry in the way the thing is managed in the (now three) states of on/off/almost on.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by helloindia on Thursday September 21, 2017 @12:34AM (#15300618)
It's not fantastic for me. I'd like to off wifi from the control screen.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by Joeri on Thursday September 21, 2017 @12:30AM (#15300603)
iOS can be configured to automatically switch to LTE if it detects you’re on a low quality wifi connection. No need to turn off wifi for that.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by Osmium on Thursday September 21, 2017 @01:39AM (#15300834)
I think iOS needs to be a lot more aggressive with this, in both directions (switching because of poor LTE and because of poor WiFi). If it were better, I don't think I'd never actually need to touch the WiFi toggle.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by redditmigrant on Thursday September 21, 2017 @01:57AM (#15300902)
The problem here is that a lot of people are on limited data plans. So if wifi is poor in one corner of my home, I dont want to accidentally chew up half my monthly data allowance.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by JohnBooty on Thursday September 21, 2017 @05:30AM (#15301819)
This absolutely happened to me once, at work.

Which was really funny, because I was downloading craploads of music specifically before I left the office so I wouldn't chew up my mobile data cap.

I didn't know the "switch to 4G if the wifi is bad" option even existed, much less was enabled.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by coob on Thursday September 21, 2017 @05:48AM (#15301884)
Where is this setting? I remember it being on an old beta (7/8) but I thought it was removed?

Edit: Found it. "Wi-Fi Assist" in Settings > Cellular / Mobile Data > Scroll past all the apps > "Wi-Fi Assist"

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by lloeki on Thursday September 21, 2017 @03:48AM (#15301308)
iOS won't detect when I'm on a good WiFi connection but its ADSL link has decent ping yet is much much slower (10Mbps/0.6Mbps) than what I would get with LTE (40~80Mbps both ways) at the same location. I'm on a 100GB plan so I could care less about data use, and I have FTTH (300Mbps/100Mbps+sub-10ms ping) at home so I want WiFi there but always forget to toggle it back on. This UI solves it for me, although I wished the 3D Touch UI would allow quick access to the third, disabled state.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by BinaryIdiot on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:55AM (#15301653)
Unfortunately this isn't a good option. My Pixel XL on Project fi is supposed to do this. It never does it when it should. Never. I have yet to see a phone handle the tradeoff well.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by amigoingtodie on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:39AM (#15302081)
I am glad we found the guy!
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by michaelmrose on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:16PM (#15300093)
I make it forget bad networks so it wont connect to them by default your workflow is poor.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by cstejerean on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:45PM (#15300229)
Sometimes the bad network is my network, for example when I’m standing in my driveway. It’s still close enough to pick up my wifi but it doesn’t actually load anything. Or my office Wi-Fi once I get down to the lobby, but before I leave the building. Good for you if this never happens, but it’s a real problem.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by matt-attack on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:06AM (#15301395)
I agree that is a problem. But why do we accept that human intervention (control center => disable WiFi) is the correct step to resolve the standing-on-your-driveway problem. Should iOS11 just figure out how to automatically disconnect from WiFi signals that aren’t actually supporting data throughput?

Why are you accepting that there can be a concept of “picking up WiFi” but at the same time “doesn’t load anything”? That state is fundamentally flawed and shouldn’t even exist.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by jakobegger on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:34AM (#15301543)
iPhones have a setting named "Wifi Assist" where the phone automatically uses the cellular modem when the internet over Wifi doesn't work.

You should be able to connect to "broken" Wifi networks because you might actually want to access devices on the wifi network. For example, I want to be able to print things (my printer is on my home network) even if the cable modem is down. So my phone should just use cellular modem for internet, but still connect to the "broken" wifi.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by lloeki on Thursday September 21, 2017 @03:56AM (#15301352)
You can tell iOS to not connect automatically to a known network by disabling auto-join for that SSID. I do this so that it doesn't connect to "Free WiFi Secure", which can not be forgotten since it comes from my mobile operator's SIM (authenticates with EAP-SIM).
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by gruez on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:36PM (#15300415)
your post needs some punctuations

    I make it forget bad networks, so it wont connect to them by default. your workflow is poor.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by michaelmrose on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:54PM (#15307258)
You actually forgot to capitalize "your" after the period but mentioning it isn't terribly useful because the intent is clear. This is also true of my original post.

Posts consisting solely of grammar advice where there was no chance of miscommunication aren't helpful and just adds noise. It appears as if the intent is to project ones own superiority instead of educating.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by kakarot on Thursday September 21, 2017 @05:05AM (#15301710)
When I turn off WiFi, I expect it to remain off and not just decide to turn back on whenever I find a new network.

Any other behavior is dark UX.

Ignoring the security implications, it has implications on battery life.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by jamesrcole on Thursday September 21, 2017 @05:27AM (#15301810)
That button is no longer for turning it off. They've changed the meaning of the button.

I get that if you're used to the previous meaning it could be annoying, but it's not like it's actually saying one thing and doing another.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by coldtea on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:32AM (#15302053)
>They've changed the meaning of the button.

It's also not the same button technically: they've redesigned the whole panel.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by tradesmanhelix on Thursday September 21, 2017 @07:02AM (#15302198)
Problem is that they never informed users that they’d changed this behavior. That button no longer does what it’s always done, which violates the Principle if Least Surprise: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishm....
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by jamesrcole on Thursday September 21, 2017 @08:16AM (#15302550)
I imagine it will be documented in the iOS 11 changes - I mean, as I understand it, it hasn't been publicly released yet.

There's a balance to be made between least surprise and the benefits of being able to evolve a design. (Another factor with any OS is there's a constant stream of new users coming to it for the first time)

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by tradesmanhelix on Thursday September 21, 2017 @10:36AM (#15303831)
> I mean, as I understand it, it hasn't been publicly released yet.

Not sure what you mean by this. iOS 11 was released on 09-19-2017, so not sure what you're saying is still awaiting a public release?

Regarding your second point, definitely agreed. However, to me this seems almost beyond the scope of Least Surprise and more akin to the Windows 10 fiasco where clicking the red X close button actually accepted the update and installed Windows 10. [1]

Bottom line: there are certain established UI conventions (i.e., an on/off button turns things on and off) that you really can't change without causing a lot of issues and user frustration. And if you do change them, please alert your users. Otherwise, it seems shady and is definitely a UX faux pas.

[1] http://bgr.com/2016/05/25/microsoft-windows-10-upgrade-trick...

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by jamesrcole on Thursday September 21, 2017 @10:47AM (#15303934)
>> I mean, as I understand it, it hasn't been publicly released yet.

> Not sure what you mean by this. iOS 11 was released on 09-19-2017, so not sure what you're saying is still awaiting a public release?

I meant that I thought it hadn't but wasn't sure -- I haven't been following it closely.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by kakarot on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:01PM (#15307729)
Oh yes, it is a much better experience now that I have to swipe six times to reach the settings and turn off WiFi, then do the same to turn it back on.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by gcb0 on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:03PM (#15300295)
So i guess you liked Microsoft Clippy too?

Instead of fixing the UI to make you empowered, it will decide what is better for you? great!

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by gervase on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:57PM (#15300491)
Sarcasm aside, I hated this feature until I used it a few weeks, but now I'm a fan. I would argue that this UI is empowering users, in the sense that it allows them to do something that they couldn't before (in contrast to Clippy, who usually suggested things you already knew how to do).

For example, on a daily basis, I usually spend my time in one of 4 places: - A location with good WiFi and good LTE reception (expectation: all services on) - A location with bad WiFi and good LTE reception (expectation: WiFi off) - A location with excellent WiFi and atrocious LTE reception (expectation: cellular off) - A location with bad WiFi and zero LTE reception (expectation: all off)

Previously, I had to manually toggle WiFi, cellular, or airplane mode on or off in these various locations, nearly always forgetting to change it again later. This is mainly a problem with turning things off - if I'm in airplane mode, I might not notice that I'm incommunicado for an hour or more if I'm engrossed in a task, whereas leaving everything on when I'm in the metaphorical dungeon will only cost me a few % of battery, at most.

However, by defaulting services to on after I move locations, my phone reverts to a communication device at the expense of a marginal amount of battery life. Think of it as a 4-square: 1) services on, actively using; 2) services off, actively using; 3) services on, not using; 4) services off, not using.

In cases 1 & 2, I'm actively using it and I don't care what it does as long as it functions (i.e. I can manually disconnect from shitty WiFi myself, so data will load again). In case 3, I lose some battery life for my inattention, but no big deal - I can still easily make it all day on a charge. In case 4, I'm SOL until I remember to turn them on again.

This behavioral change in iOS 11 moves some of my time from case 4 to case 3, which is a tradeoff I am willing to make.

I hope this helps to illustrate the alternative perspective to yours a bit more clearly.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by matt-attack on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:11AM (#15301427)
> A location with bad WiFi and good LTE reception (expectation: WiFi off)

Why are you not insisting that the OS simply disconnect on its own quickly in such scenarios? Why do you accept that manual user action is the right solution? If the phone automatically and quickly dropped a WiFi the instant it doesn’t support data, this problem wouldn’t exist. Instead Apple expects users to get involved in that problem and has now overcomplicated what should be a very simple switch.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by mmjaa on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:05AM (#15301389)
>no big deal

Its a UI anti-pattern, because they're changing the definition of off from 'its off, end of topic' to 'well, its not really off, only disconnected, and you can not really tell what is what' ..

So, no big deal. Until you get hacked over wifi when you thought it was off all the time ... or your battery discharges 20% faster than you thought it should, etc.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by coldtea on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:37AM (#15302070)
>So, no big deal. Until you get hacked over wifi when you thought it was off all the time

If you can get hacked "over wifi" then you have bigger problems than whether the toggle makes it on or off. Assuming that you turn it on, ever, that is.

Besides, you can tell if it's on and off. Off has a strikethrough over the icon.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by mmjaa on Thursday September 21, 2017 @08:51AM (#15302798)
For 7 years I've been turning Wifi Off using Control Centre, and now I have to un-learn that behaviour, or modify my own needs to have Wifi 'disabled but not off'.

I don't think this is as positive as some people think. I'll "turn off Wifi", but packets can still flow. The device can still be observed remotely.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by coldtea on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:34AM (#15302061)
>it will decide what is better for you?

Regardless of this particular implementation, isn't that the whole point of computing? To get the software to be smarter and decide what's better -- all the way to AI assistants.

Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by mcgarnagle on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @11:10PM (#15300320)
Bonzi Buddy was even better, it's the original "clippy that doesn't go away"
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by flukus on Thursday September 21, 2017 @12:13AM (#15300548)
It's amazing how much functionality Bonzi Buddy had on a 486 that we apparently need cloud super-computing (google now, amazon echo, siri, etc) for now.
Re:Bluetooth and Wi-Fi Aren't Fully Disabled When Off in iOS... by makapuf on Thursday September 21, 2017 @02:27AM (#15301002)