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Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by stillsut on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:13PM (#15020157)
Let me give you a hypothetical company IT department: while you are allowed to work there with any education background, only an MBA can be a manager. How do you think they would perform at IT tasks?

Who runs libraries? People with Masters in Library Science. I expect severe budget and certification crises would come to any library that won't put a certified librarian in a head position.

Or, I'm a working class guy and it's Sunday, my traditional off from work, can I go to the library? No, it is closed because there needs to be Master Librarian on duty and they've negotiated a contract to never have to work Sunday. Now the facility sits there unused 14% of the time, during the most likely time it would be used.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by Blackthorn on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:38PM (#15020424)
> Who runs libraries? People with Masters in Library Science. I expect severe budget and certification crises would come to any library that won't put a certified librarian in a head position.

And you would be wrong. My local library is considered one of the best small-town libraries in the nation (I believe at one point it literally won an award for being the best) -- and does not have a certified librarian in a head position.

Also, to compare MLS librarians with MBAs in regards to the workings of what's under them is exceptionally unfair. Most librarians I know (a set which includes my father in law, who is a county library director, and two close friends, who hold MLS degrees) are extremely academically curious about new things they can do to make their libraries more accessible and attractive.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by MR4D on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @11:23PM (#15024721)
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by Blackthorn on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @01:44AM (#15025201)
Libraries do not all follow those rules. The existence of my local library, as I discussed, shows that.
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by MR4D on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @04:49PM (#15031262)
My point is that by and large, the parent poster was correct.

A lack of complete uniformity across the industry does not mean he's wrong.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by JoshCole on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @11:52PM (#15033693)
But the person claimed that all libraries would be uniform when he said his expectation was that it would happen to any library. Therefore, he was wrong. The person you were correcting was right and you provided additional useful context.
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by stillsut on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:03PM (#15021278)
There are MBA's who are also curious and interested in "going digital", "leveraging big data", etc. Left to initiate programs under these banners, and evaluate themselves I expect the MBA to perform sub-optimally.

My point is not to disrespect MLS, in fact as even as a programmer, I'd probably be terrible as a head sys-admin/tech-support for a library too.

I'm wondering why we've never heard of anyone making a good career move by setting up tech at a library (other than as a fat and easy contract)? If we can all relate to these deficient computer networks being run in public libraries, why has nobody succeeded in this space? I'm suggesting perverse incentives in management structure is why this much needed service isn't being filled by our extremely talented tech workforce.

> it literally won an award for being the best and does not have a certified librarian in a head position.

kind of my point, no?

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by johnjhayes on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:22PM (#15021457)
>>I'm wondering why we've never heard of anyone making a good career move by setting up tech at a library

Because they are underfunded, Bezos seems to be addressing that.

>>kind of my point, no?

No, the provided example seems to be counter to your point.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by stretchwithme on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @07:10PM (#15023580)
When you make something free for everybody, instead of just those with a financial need, it's going to be chronically underfunded. We're the richest country in the world, paying trillions in taxes, borrowing trillions more and advocates for every expenditure tell us more funds are needed.

If those with the means paid a fair price for the library resources they are sharing, a library could be open for many more, have better resources AND cost the taxpayer less.

Libraries weren't always free. Like the one Ben Franklin helped establish. These didn't cost the taxpayer anything. And if you wanted to help someone without the means, you would just pay for their membership.

http://www.benjamin-franklin-history.org/lending-library/

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by mattkrause on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @01:40PM (#15029476)
I'm not convinced it's that obvious.

Making something free for some, but not others could stir up resentment ("why should I pay for your use of the library?"), which would make it easier to cut funding in the future. This could lead to a spiral of increasing fees (or decreased service) -> smaller constituency -> less funding.

I'm also not sure that the marginal user costs a library very much. I doubt that a library with twice as many potential patrons needs twice as many books or two times the staff, for example.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by stretchwithme on Wednesday August 16, 2017 @09:26PM (#15032929)
Like food stamps? Are people upset about that?

A month's worth of food costs a lot more than using a book for a month.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by mattkrause on Thursday August 17, 2017 @12:08AM (#15033747)
Uhh....yes?

In the US, Republicans have been talking about "welfare queens" and people buying lobsters with food stamps for literally decades. This strategy has apparently worked for them, even though benefit fraud is supposedly quite rare.

On the flip side, it's virtually impossible to cut Social Security and Medicare in the US, in part because the programs are not means-tested and everyone hopes to get something back from them.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by notfromhere on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:42PM (#15021620)
Because libraries are underfunded, as is most public infrastructure. Libraries bring a lot of beneficial resources to a community, but they're the first things to be cut
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by SolaceQuantum on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:59PM (#15020667)
Every library I've been to in every town I've been to had Sunday hours. This includes New York City and its surrounding suburbs, Buffalo and its surrounding suburbs, several towns in Conneticut and several more in Toronto Canada and its surrounding suburbs.

Even my university library has sunday hours.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by jnordwick on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @03:04PM (#15021291)
Definitely not NY. The NYPL only has a few of locations open on Sunday. The vast majority are not open.
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by malynda on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:23PM (#15022057)
Multiple libraries in small town Iowa do not have Sunday hours. Just to hazard a guess at the nearest place to have a library with Sunday hours probably requires a minimum 60 mile drive.
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by mixmastamyk on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:14PM (#15020814)
In LA only the central library is open Sunday, for 4 or 5 hours.
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by qohen on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @08:25PM (#15023997)
While most of the 70+ branches are closed Sundays, there are some 8 or 9 that are open from 1-5 on Sundays. E.g. the branch on Robertson, a few blocks south of Pico.

The hours for all branches are on the following page; to find the ones open on Sunday, just search on the page for:

Sun: 1-5

https://www.lapl.org/branches

Also, the Beverly Hills Public Library -- which is, of course, not part of the LA library system -- is open 12 - 6 on the weekends:

https://roxbury.beverlyhills.org/

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by alphonsegaston on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @02:46PM (#15021126)
Yeah but that's an LA thing, not specific to libraries. Lots of stuff closes way early or has weird hours

Also, the main branches of suburban libraries in places like Glendale and Pasadena are open all weekend too.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by soperj on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:23PM (#15020279)
Libraries in Canada have the same stipulations, but are actually funded and are open all the time. Our downtown library is open 9am-9pm every day of the year.
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by the_unknown on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @07:34PM (#15023730)
Hm, I'm East of Toronto and thought my small town library was closed Sunday and Monday... just checked - no, open 7 days a week. Pleasantly surprised.

The small, small, small town north of here though is closed on Sunday.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by jgmjgm on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @04:25PM (#15022071)
I live in Canada in a mid-sized city and my library is closed on Sundays. Just as a poster above, it appears to be the case that the librarians negotiated a great deal for themselves. (Closed on Sundays during the summer, open on Sundays during the winter.)

However, it is a great library. No arguments there. It's a pain that its closed on Sundays just when kids want to use it most.

Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by soperj on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @06:15PM (#15023206)
Which city? I'm in a mid-sized city as well. I find it quite surprising since I've lived in many places around Canada from small towns to big cities from Toronto all the way out to the West Coast, and have never had access to at least one library that was open all the time.
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by surement on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:57PM (#15020651)
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by rubatuga on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:30PM (#15020352)
That's a severe overgeneralization and I can tell you that is not the case.
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by Sumaso on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:53PM (#15020594)
Please do. Where is that not the case.
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by enraged_camel on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:25PM (#15020291)
Why does here have to be a master librarian on duty? Do you mean it's in the negotiated contract, or are there legitimate reasons?
Re:Bezos should put his billions in public libraries by throwaway7645 on Tuesday August 15, 2017 @01:26PM (#15020305)
Being closed on Sunday is a bummer.