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Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by anilshanbhag on Monday July 31, 2017 @11:56AM (#14893095)
That is a very pessimistic view.

The GTX 1080 is $550; Vega 56 is $400 and Vega 64 is $500. With decent cooling, the vega gpus can be overclocked to give significant boost. Also the freesync monitor is cheaper than gsync. Vega56 + FreeSync will save you around $350. That is ~ 25% saving if you are going for a 1.2-1.5k$ rig.

Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by NamTaf on Monday July 31, 2017 @09:29PM (#14897251)
With decent cooling, the vega gpus can be overclocked to give significant boost.

I don't think so. The article touched on the fact that the watercooled one is already seeing a disproportionate ramp-up of power in order to ramp up clocks. That says to me that it's beginning to eat in to the headroom of the card and will soon begin to run up against its voltage wall. That suggests to me that they're already pushing the card pretty hard to get the stock performance levels, which doesn't leave a lot on the table for overclockers.

Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by KaoruAoiShiho on Monday July 31, 2017 @12:20PM (#14893312)
The GTX 1080 is actually $500 MSRP. The Vega overclocking is surely inferior to the GTX OC. The OP is unfortunately right I think, trying to enter the Radeon ecosystem at this moment is foolhardy.
Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by loeg on Monday July 31, 2017 @12:06PM (#14893157)
What makes you believe there is any room to overclock the Vega cards? And how much additional cost does "decent cooling" add?
Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by neilmovva on Monday July 31, 2017 @10:14PM (#14897410)
Vega is already drawing near 300W, and is so high up on the voltage/frequency curve that even a measly 5-10% gain in core clock can easily cost over 100W more.

Here, AMD is once again (see last year's Polaris) a victim of the inferior GlobalFoundries 14nm LPP process. TSMC 16nm would have been much better in perf/W, but sadly a very restrictive wafer supply agreement locks AMD to GloFo for the time being.

Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by ksec on Tuesday August 01, 2017 @05:32AM (#14899013)
I would have had the same conclusion if Ryzen was not also a 14nm LPP with GloFo.

It is just sad AMD could not get both Graphics and CPU momentum at the same time.

Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by tcfunk on Monday July 31, 2017 @12:15PM (#14893248)
Sure, for desktops.

Poor thermals means that this line of GPUs will find it's way into exactly 0% of the laptop market, which is unfortunate.

Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by meesterdude on Monday July 31, 2017 @01:15PM (#14893913)
> into exactly 0% of the laptop market

Alienware will find a way, even if it requires a water connection to cool it

Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by tcfunk on Monday July 31, 2017 @01:21PM (#14893979)
Oh man that would be so heavy haha. But I won't rule it out!
Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by mavendependency on Monday July 31, 2017 @06:21PM (#14896389)
Too late, raven ridge with integrated vega taped out a long time ago. One desktop gaming card line-up operating in the wrong region of the efficiency curve doesn't instantly turn an entire architecture into house fire material.
Re:AMD unveils its Vega 10 GPU architecture by antisthenes on Monday July 31, 2017 @12:38PM (#14893510)
Whatever the initial price difference there is will be lost in power consumption over the course of the first year of heavy use or 2 years of moderate use.

And after the price parity, you're just stuck with a worse card.