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Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by sangd on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:32PM (#14878730)
I hope my Macbook days would be over soon. After using Macbook Pro many years, I find good Windows machines are as reliable as Mac's ones. Apple products are usually overpriced, much less options for hardware accessories and upgrades, very expensive to fix. I have to keep running both Mac & Windows machines which is very inconvenient sometimes.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by zionic on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:46PM (#14878796)
What happened?

Did apple simultaneously fire all of it's hardware team along with it's QA dept? (we know the 2nd one happened).

I love apple, but it feels like they have a CEO who's running it in "latter years" mode. Zero risk, minimize cost everywhere, maximize profit even if it results in absurd cash piles...

This is what you get when bean counters run tech companies.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by FussyZeus on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:28PM (#14878997)
I have to agree. Mac has for years now felt like a redheaded stepchild at Apple, and the loss of the dedicated Mac development team at Apple sent the message loud and clear: Tim Cook doesn't give a fuck about the Mac.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by tambourine_man on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:33PM (#14879012)
Zero risk? I wish they were more cautious and orthodox sometimes. Vide Mac Pro, Final Cut Pro X, TouchBar. Just give me a faster version of the previous one, don't reinvent every category every decade or so. Because sometimes they manage to, but others they just screw up (like everyone else).
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by al452 on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:57PM (#14878850)
I kind of agree, but feel a need to point out that the "absurd cash piles" are a byproduct of tax rules, not of (alleged) timidity on the part of Cook et al.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by wahern on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:05PM (#14879109)
It's a stretch to say that it's a byproduct of tax rules. It's more a product of avoiding taxes, period.

Apple could repatriate its overseas profits at any time. It would have to pay taxes on those profits, yes, but that would be no different than their domestic profits. Apple would be able to deduct foreign taxes, including foreign VAT payments[1], which would put their foreign profits in parity with their domestic profits in terms of tax burden.

[1] Unlike foreign income you can't take a credit on VAT payments. But VAT payments are deductible like any other business expense. Because corporations are taxed at a fixed percentage (no progressive income brackets), it's a distinction without a difference.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by hsitz on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:23PM (#14878974)
What tax rule are you talking about? The cash in the "absurd pile" has already been taxed as income.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by downrightmike on Saturday July 29, 2017 @10:57PM (#14884196)
US corp taxes in general
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by robertlagrant on Saturday July 29, 2017 @01:27PM (#14882168)
"This is what you get when bean counters run tech companies."

Yeah, letting the COO be CEO isn't necessarily a good idea in a tech company.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by bradleyjg on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:43PM (#14878785)
Which laptop manufactures have you found to be as reliable and well put together as macbooks? I haven't had too much luck with dells or lenovos.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by sangd on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:05PM (#14878900)
I really like the Surface Pro. It's a very nice combo of a tablet & a laptop with lots of power like a laptop. I've used Dell's XPS & Inspiron models. They've last quite long. Their hardware does fail after 4+ years, but acceptable and replaceable and they're inexpensive to replace. I do own a Windows desktop with Xeon core, and it's very powerful PC. Its price is probably 1/4 of the Mac Pro. Definitely not HPs, they're bad computers, both laptops and desktop. Thinkpads are good, but I've never tried one after Lenovo took over.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by UnoriginalGuy on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:57PM (#14878848)
If you stick to the boring Thinkpads (T series and P series) they're fairly safe bets. Some of Dell's business grade laptops are also built like tanks. Neither company's consumer grade (read: cheap) I'd touch.

Microsoft makes good hardware, but you'll pay borderline "Apple Prices" for it.

Only big mistake Microsoft has made is trying to ship the Surface Laptop starting at $999 and topping out at $2199, with Windows 10 S, which you'll be able to "upgrade" "free" for a "limited time only." Meaning, when that promo runs out you may need to pay a $50 fee on your $999 Surface Laptop to get a full copy of Windows 10. To say that annoys me would be a huge understatement.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by phr4ts on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:26PM (#14878983)
Yes it's annoying but forgivable when you consider that MS's first priority with its Surface Line is to run a profitable tech demo rather than competing its own foremost customers - Dell, HP...
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by TheSpiceIsLife on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:27AM (#14879468)
A maxed out ThinkPad P71 is AU$13,250 (about US$10,000), but still no option for on site warranty (through the AU store anyway).
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by Anechoic on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:11PM (#14879123)
If you stick to the boring Thinkpads (T series and P series)

Anecdotal, but two out of three T series Thinkpads has sudden motherboard failures. No problems with 3 MacBooks or 3 Inspirons. We're done buying Lenovo.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by zzalpha on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:05PM (#14879276)
Counter anecdata: My office is full of T and W series Lenovos. I myself have a first generation Carbon as my work machine. My personal machine was a T410 (and before that another T series) until I recently got a new Carbon.

Absolutely zero reports of problems. None.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by delhanty on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:56PM (#14879252)
For those considering MS Surface, be aware that, unlike Apple, support is limited to the country that you purchased the device in.

See this comment from 2 months ago on HN [1].

Because of that negative point, I'm now considering one of the Ubuntu Dell Precision models and would appreciate any experiences on HN of Dell and international support for business class laptops.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14400873

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by nailer on Saturday July 29, 2017 @06:24AM (#14880496)
Author of that comment here.

Still being sent back and forth between Microsoft UK and Microsoft US with an occasionally unusable laptop.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by mtl_usr on Saturday July 29, 2017 @09:40PM (#14883955)
Such a good way to attract pro users. The number of Apple store and their world-wide support is one of the reason I see a lot of pro users reluctant to buy something else than a MacBook.

This makes absolutely no sense since the only buyers of Surface products are as of now pretty much only "pro" users.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by kristianov on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:45PM (#14878792)
Surface Book and Surface Laptop are quite good.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by vvanders on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:45PM (#14879051)
+1 on Surface Book. Great build quality, good dev machine and decent gaming laptop as well.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by cgb223 on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:20PM (#14879152)
Was thinking about getting one for work, and gaming is a nice perk

What kind of specs/graphics/resolution do you get on that for games?

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by vvanders on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:49PM (#14879230)
Just make sure to grab one with the discrete GPU(dGPU aka Performance Base). It's not going to be anything near a desktop(no laptop will) but I can run most things at 1080p pretty well and some of the lighter stuff(like Pyre) at 3Kx2k(native resolution).
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by FiveDegrees on Saturday July 29, 2017 @01:03PM (#14882067)
I would strongly recommend the XPS 15 9560 over it, if you don't need it to be able to convert it to a tablet.

More performant, cheaper, better screen.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by reboog711 on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:50PM (#14878813)
Just wait 6 months or so after release....
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by UnoriginalGuy on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:15PM (#14878939)
For what?

I own a Surface Pro 3 and a Surface Book. Both have only been improved through firmware updates after release. There was actually some pain points on the SP3 right around release that caused some headaches.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by reboog711 on Saturday July 29, 2017 @01:54PM (#14882266)
Generally the Surface products have a poor history of 'working' at launch. The reason for waiting is that the firmware improvements come out before you get the machine.

My Surface Book was a spotchy experience for the first 6 months or so. by month 6 it was running acceptably.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by m_mueller on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:55PM (#14878843)
Aren't they roughly the same price as Macbooks?
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by UnoriginalGuy on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:13PM (#14878933)
There's no way to answer that without a bias.

It depends which Mac you feel is most comparable to the Surface Laptop, what value is placed on Touchbar (if any), what value is placed on a touchscreen (if any), how much value you place on a slightly faster integrated GPU or a slightly faster CPU (Macbook Pro 13" or Surface Laptop respectively), and numerous other metrics.

Broadly speaking I'd likely say, "similar," but there might also be a $200 saving buying the Surface Laptop relative to a similarly spec-ed Macbook Pro 13". I don't consider that a significant saving when we're discussion laptops costing over $1200, but the savings grow as price increases.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by mycall on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:27PM (#14879175)
I'd like to see 4 or 6 cores.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by petilon on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:05PM (#14878897)
I highly recommend Samsung ATIV Book 9. In my opinion they are better than macbooks. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06X19MJZZ/ref=psdc_13896615011_t3...
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by zzalpha on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:08PM (#14879291)
If your willing to pay MacBook prices I'd give Lenovo another look. The latest Carbon is just... a perfect laptop as far as I'm concerned.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by matt_wulfeck on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:09AM (#14879417)
It may be MacBook prices but they certainly don't offer Apple support. I'm never going to go through that hassle again.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by zzalpha on Saturday July 29, 2017 @01:32AM (#14879681)
Yeah, fair point. Fortunately I've only once ever had to get service for a Lenovo in the 10+ years I've owned one. But you're not wrong.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by duncan_bayne on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:56AM (#14879562)
But sir, you did not purchase the extended accidental damage act of God fragile electronics warranty!
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by nikofeyn on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:56PM (#14879083)
same here. i got my first macbook in the windows xp days. mac os x was lightyears ahead of that OS and increased productivity many orders of magnitude. nowadays? i use my surface pro for any real work and basically use my macbook pro as a web browsing machine given that's it's slightly more lapable and has a nice big trackpad. but it can barely do that. so many (basically forced) upgrades have left it unusable for running anymore than an app at a time. mac os x has generally degraded and gotten worse and worse. i find you can get a lot more mileage of windows 7 and up out of computers than mac os x these days.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by m_mueller on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:55PM (#14878841)
one thing I'd miss from Apple is service. Being ablr to walk into a store where they can fix simple things immediately is AFAIK unheard of with windows PCs.. maybe with MS Stores, but these are incredibly rare outside the US.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by jongalloway2 on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:45PM (#14879363)
I'm a Microsoft employee, but never tell them that when I go to the local store to get an idea how they treat everyone else. I've returned a few things and been shocked at how good and fast the service is.Basically it's Sorry! Here's a new one! Bye!

Disclaimers: Inside the US, Microsoft employee, Nazgûl

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by bshacklett on Saturday July 29, 2017 @10:12PM (#14884044)
I've had excellent experiences at the Microsoft store. In one case, I returned a Surface Pro and they really took the time to listen to why I decided to return it. Now, I don't know if that feedback ever made it outside of the store or not, but I felt like a valued customer, and that means a lot in this day and age.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by derekp7 on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:59PM (#14879090)
For the Thinkpads, you can upgrade the 1-year warranty to on-site next business day for a few bucks. I think a 3-year onsite is a couple hundred, but you don't have to purchase it with the laptop, as long as you buy it before the base warranty runs out.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by Clubber on Friday July 28, 2017 @10:48PM (#14879227)
I tried that and got an HP Spectre 15" when my 2013 rMBP was having memory issues. I really wanted to like it and it was a beautiful machine, but the home/end key was in a weird place, and the zoom/scroll in the browser (Chrome) is still clunky, especially the zoom, compared to Safari. There were other little things like no right click dictionary, poor palm recognition, etc.

I went back to the 2017 rMBP and really like it. I use Windows in a VM and have the Cmd -> as end and Cmd <- as home and it works great.

I'd still buy a Thinkpad if they put their old keyboards back in service.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by al452 on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:54PM (#14878834)
> I find good Windows machines are as reliable as Mac's ones.

Yes. But they are still fugly.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by wvenable on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:17PM (#14878946)
There are plenty of aluminum rectangle Windows machines now.

I just bought a Lenovo gaming laptop (it was an amazing deal) and I'm actually surprised that it isn't super fugly. Gaming laptops are all a bit over-the-top design-wise but Lenovo actually used a little restraint. It also came with no bloatware.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by nabaraj on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:08PM (#14878912)
I am sorry I prefer an ugly device which is more powerful and provides more value for the money for less than half of the price of its competitor.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by sangd on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:12PM (#14878929)
I don't think they're. There're many great ones, very powerful & slick designs. I think you fall into Apple's illusions.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by mcappleton on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:36PM (#14879336)
Why not use Linux? Same price point advantage, and even better than mac for development because you can develop on the exact same distro you will use for your server.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by grover_hartmann on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:16AM (#14879437)
Indeed, some advantages I can think of with Linux.

* Containers (LXC, systemd-nspawn, Docker, etc. and native virtualization with QEMU/KVM), Apple doesn't even come close here.

* Use the WM/DE of your choice.

* Superior package management (pacman, apt, dnf, flatpak, etc).

* Use the distro of your choice.

* Use the latest GNU software unlike some crippled bash version like in Mac.

* Decide if you want bleeding edge or not.

* Use any hardware you want (older or new, Linux doesn't care and it will still perform well even with older hardware).

* Get more performance with Linux.[1][2]

* Freedom.[3]

* Privacy, security and transparency.

* Peace of mind, never be forced to upgrade your hardware or software. Your hardware is yours and you can use it until it literally breaks. You control your computer and not the other way around.

IMO, GNOME 3 and i3/sway are way nicer than the GUI on macOS, and you can use all the same development tools and editors on Linux today, tmux, Vim/Neovim, Emacs, Atom, VS Code, Sublime Text, etc.

There are so many other reasons.[4] Feel free to mention your reasons too.

I don't see what's the appeal with Mac at all, it seems like you are just paying for a logo.

[1] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macos-sie...

[2] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=macos-101...

[3] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qH3v41JmyIg

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by majkinetor on Saturday July 29, 2017 @03:15AM (#14879995)
Most of that is supported on Windows

* Docker is supported and it will get better. Nano server supports it otb.

* Chocolatey is a great package manager. Others also exist.

* You can use most GNU tools.

* You can use any hardware you want

* Performance is good on Windows

* Freedom, i.e. FOSS is ubiquitous on Windows too (not as much as on Linux for sure tho).

* Privacy and security is good on Windows 10. Linux desktops are honestly not that safe.

Things not supported on Windows are:

* WM/DE - this is not a thing on Windows

* There is only 1 distro of Windows, but you can basically create your own with package manager, its just there aren't currently any OTB.

There are things Windows has better:

* Powershell is way better shell then anything Linux has to offer.

* Games still work better and there are more supported.

* More commercial tools are available for Windows.

Honestly, the only difference now is the culture around it. Although I use Windows as my desktop (which is irrelevant as I live in the shell and browser 24/7, so any OS will do), i prefer Linux engineers.

Server side ofc. you can't really bit the fact that linux servers are mostly free of charge. Windows Enterprise is terribly expensive.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by SOLAR_FIELDS on Saturday July 29, 2017 @09:08PM (#14883864)
Older hardware hasn't quite been solved by windows yet AFAIK. Being the "computer guy" in my family, I'm frequently handed old W7, Vista, and XP laptops that are "running slow". Since a lot of my family isn't too well off, "buy a new laptop that isn't a 1.7Ghz processor with 2 GB RAM" isn't a viable answer. I can't leave them with W7 anymore because of the near future of missing security updates, so lately I've just been wiping them (after backing up everything important of course) and throwing ElementaryOS on there. Runs like a charm, unlike fresh W10 installs on these machines which I can only classify as "almost unusable".
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by dorian-graph on Saturday July 29, 2017 @11:32AM (#14881675)
> Honestly, the only difference now is the culture around it.

.. and:

* Freedom.[3]

* Privacy, security and transparency.

* Peace of mind, never be forced to upgrade your hardware or software. Your hardware is yours and you can use it until it literally breaks. You control your computer and not the other way around.

?

Some things may exist (e.g. Chocolatey), but why not use a better package manager?

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by openplatypus on Saturday July 29, 2017 @10:13AM (#14881312)
Honest question

Did they solve long file/path name issue? Remember Windows 7 slow FS with large file count and npm/js breaking everything due to long, nested paths.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by Ecksian on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:13PM (#14881850)
This is asking out of honest ignorance, but what makes PowerShell so much better than other shells?
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by grover_hartmann on Saturday July 29, 2017 @09:05PM (#14883855)
> Docker is supported and it will get better. Nano server supports it otb.

Docker on Windows is not native, it runs on a VM and uses Linux under the hood.

> Chocolatey is a great package manager. Others also exist.

Chocolatey is a step in the right direction, but it probably doesn't integrate as well as apt or dnf, you still have the Windows Store to update separately, and the Windows Store is what Microsoft wants you to use.

Chocolatey is more like a bandaid solution that was made by the community to deal with the limitations of software installation on Windows.

So I think Linux does package management much better than Windows, but this isn't to say that Chocolatey is bad, it's just that Microsoft has total control over everything on Windows.

I also like how Linux distros share a common file system hierarchy and share libraries between programs, while minimizing disk space and reducing security issues.

> You can use most GNU tools.

Yes, that's because those GNU programs are cross platform, which is good.

Free software also allows others to port programs to other platforms, which is also a very good thing.

> You can use any hardware you want

This isn't completely true, you cannot take your existing Windows drive and just plug it into another computer and expect everything to work, but you can do this just fine with Linux.

An existing Windows install and its license is associated to the machine where you have it installed.

Also, Windows won't run on other architectures other than x86 and I think ARM? Linux is known to work with ~20 different architectures or more.

Another advantage with Linux is that the drivers are built into the Linux kernel, so when a driver is added to the Linux kernel, it will be maintained and improved as part of the kernel, so your hardware will be supported for a very long time / forever.

This is unlike Windows where hardware vendors will release a blob for Windows and won't provide updates after the hardware is EOLed or for the next version of Windows.

I still have old printers that still work fine with Linux but the same printer doesn't have drivers for the current version of Windows anymore.

Linux is the only OS kernel with more hardware support than any other OS out there.

> Performance is good on Windows

Performance tends to vary depending on what you are doing and what you are comparing against.

So this is debatable, and one would need to run benchmarks to be sure.

That said, I find Windows to always be slower than Linux, running Linux on the same machine tends to be faster for the things I do, and Windows tends to slow over time whereas Linux doesn't.

> Freedom, i.e. FOSS is ubiquitous on Windows too (not as much as on Linux for sure tho).

You don't have freedom with Windows, you cannot give a copy of Windows to your friends, and you cannot inspect the Windows source code to learn and/or to modify it or fix anything in it.

> Privacy and security is good on Windows 10. Linux desktops are honestly not that safe.

[citation needed]

Do you have any sources to back this claim? There are a lot of security/privacy concerns with Windows 10, especially with the likes of telemetry and backdoors.

> Powershell is way better shell then anything Linux has to offer.

How is PowerShell better than the many different shells we have on Linux? I don't think this is true.

There is also PowerShell on Linux.

> Games still work better and there are more supported.

Linux has Steam now and many games are being released with Linux support every day, Vulkan is also taking off on Linux.

> More commercial tools are available for Windows.

There are many commercial tools coming out for Linux too, and this is only going to increase.

> Honestly, the only difference now is the culture around it.

It's not just about the culture, GNU/Linux and Windows are different operating systems with different ideas, purposes and design.

Windows is merely a company's product.

GNU/Linux is about freedom.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by willtim on Saturday July 29, 2017 @02:57AM (#14879940)
Great summary. I'd like to add the nix package manager to your list. It allows non-destructive updates, rollbacks, parallel installs of different app/library versions, development environments and much more.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by zzalpha on Saturday July 29, 2017 @01:44AM (#14879723)
For me it's all about power management:

Sleep and hibernate still manage to break periodically.

Higher battery consumption unless I'm willing to break out powertop and tweak endlessly.

Meanwhile, the dev I do is all cross-platform Java and scripting. WSL provides a useful unix-like environment when I need it. And when it really matters I break out a VM.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by willtim on Saturday July 29, 2017 @02:50AM (#14879911)
Sleep and hibernate have never broken for me on various ThinkPads, what hardware and distro are you using?

These days tlp gives power management on Linux a good set of defaults. Powertop tweaking should not be necessary as long as you use a distro that supports tlp.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by zzalpha on Saturday July 29, 2017 @10:16AM (#14881321)
Sleep and hibernate have never broken for me on various ThinkPads, what hardware and distro are you using?

Happened right around the switch to systemd with Debian Sid on my old T410, which by that point was probably 5 years old. IIRC, the system would resume from sleep or hibernate but the console would not recover properly, so you had to force a VT switch to get the video to reinitialize. Just a huge PITA.

I agree, it had been stable for some time up to that point, but when it broken again, that was the last straw for me, and as a consequence I've stuck with Windows 10 on my Carbon.

These days tlp gives power management on Linux a good set of defaults. Powertop tweaking should not be necessary as long as you use a distro that supports tlp.

Could be. But I'm happy with Windows 10 on my Carbon and have no intention of switching.

It used to be that Linux was on balance the better choice for my use case, being more stable (as in, fewer crashes) and more transparent, with a superior dev experience. Yes, it was always a platform for tweakers... things never seemed to consistently work quite right (hell, back around 2010, it was a miracle if sleep or hibernate worked at all). But since you could open up the hood and mess around, I was willing to live with that given the benefits. As a result, for 20 years Linux was the operating system I ran on every piece of hardware I owned. I even built a 3-tuner MythTV backend and two front-end systems for my home back when I still had cable... you can't imagine all the tweaking!

But over the years the gap has closed considerably.

Windows has become substantially faster and more stable, and tools like WSL have made it a much nicer dev platform. Linux is still far more transparent, obviously, but the stability of Windows 10 means that just doesn't matter that much.

Meanwhile, with Linux, in my experience the need to continuously tweak and deal with random breakages continues to be a fact of life, while distros have become far less transparent through the switch to systemd, making tweaking and fixing things substantially harder (trying to diagnose those issues I described earlier was basically impossible).

As a result, Linux simply doesn't offer enough value for me, at this point, to motivate the hassle.

Of course, as always, YMMV. Some people have a higher threshold for this stuff (certainly I used to be a lot more willing to put up with Linux's idiosyncrasies), and different hardware, distros, etc, perform differently. So I'm not going to claim my experiences are universal. But they are my experiences.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by sangd on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:20AM (#14879454)
I can write code on Linux, but I cannot run my accounting/finance/photosoft software. Sometimes I need to run test on IE too. I understand the love for Linux for some people, but I would like to get things done the quickest way, of course with the quality required too.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by meitham on Saturday July 29, 2017 @02:11AM (#14879800)
I use a powerful Linux laptop, a thinkpad, and run Windows VM for any software that's windows specific. It makes me sure I can isolate these untrusted applications from the rest of my data.

QubeOS is a good OS to provide these isolation techniques.

Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by mcappleton on Saturday July 29, 2017 @12:33AM (#14879500)
Its a good point. Depending on how frequently you use it, dual booting is an option though. I switched from windows because Meteor was slow as molasses and I'm very glad I made the switch. Dev stuff just runs better on Linux in my experience.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by midnitewarrior on Saturday July 29, 2017 @02:15AM (#14879808)
Because then you have two environments to maintain, your Windows OS and then Linux too. It's much easier to do everything on your Windows PC instead of building two separate environments. Bash on Windows is the best of both worlds together.
Re:Windows Subsystem for Linux is out of beta by ageofwant on Saturday July 29, 2017 @04:14AM (#14880170)
Which is why I got rid of Windows, it has nothing to offer that I need or want, so why bother with it?