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Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by cylinder on Friday July 28, 2017 @03:43PM (#14876928)
A "small town" ... 7 miles from the center of a major global city and metro area ... even closer to a major international airport. These people are assholes.
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by kafkaesq on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:23PM (#14877253)
A "small town" ... 7 miles from the center of a major global city and metro area ... even closer to a major international airport.

Nothing weird about that situation at all. In fact it's the way much of planet is organized.

These people are assholes.

Nothing of the sort. They're long-term residents looking out for what's best for their community.

And it's exactly the kind of completely gratuitous negativity (project by outsiders, who otherwise couldn't begin to care what goes on in their town), exemplified above, which shores up this instinct that many of them have to protect what they have. Because they know that you're definitely not concerned about what impact projects like these will have on their quality of life and long-term fiscal interests.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by epistasis on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:29PM (#14877314)
>They're long-term residents looking out for what's best for their community.

No, they're just looking out for themselves. The community is hurt by their greed for massively inflated property values, low taxes, and keeping the younger generation from living the lives they want.

If that makes me negative, fine. But if they are white-washing their behavior by pretending to be concerned for "the community" when really they only care about themselves, yes, that is the very definition of asshole.

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Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by erentz on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:09PM (#14878624)
> As if they have some inalienable right to live in places like Brisbane.

So the folks who live there now do because they were born earlier and got to buy a house first?

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by rbanffy on Friday July 28, 2017 @06:29PM (#14878093)
> Either way it's for them to assess, not you.

Until the state decides to apply eminent domain so more people can better use the space available.

> As if they have some inalienable right to live in places like Brisbane.

As if anyone had an inalienable right not to have neighbors.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by DanAndersen on Friday July 28, 2017 @06:49PM (#14878200)
With attitudes like this, why wouldn't the existing owners feel their existing way of life is being threatened? Not everyone loves living in a high-density environment, and some people would tend to want their community and home to have the same properties that made it attractive to them in the first place. When you suddenly get an influx of new population that wants to change the character of a community and starts entertaining schemes of forcible land redistribution, how could one not assume that the locals are going to feel like they're being somewhat invaded?

I can see the grievances of both sides on this, but I honestly wish there was more focus on spreading out these 'tech hub' communities to places beyond just the Bay area. There's a certain absurdity to the idea that the tech industry of all industries has this need to clump everyone together into a hyper-concentrated beehive of activity that irrevocably alters the host communities upon which it descends.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by santaclaus on Friday July 28, 2017 @07:13PM (#14878316)
> Not everyone loves living in a high-density environment

No one is suggesting that Brisbane should be paved and turned into Manhattan. People are asking Brisbane to approve development in some fallow fields. Brisbane residents (like many of the small towns in the Bay) benefit financially from office space, but pass the buck on housing those employees to other municipalities.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by rbanffy on Wednesday August 02, 2017 @08:14AM (#14909861)
> but pass the buck on housing those employees to other municipalities.

And this is the key argument to be made here. Building stores and offices has a cost - the people who work on those offices and stores must be housed somewhere. A regional empty homes/unhoused inhabitant number could be used to guide a global rule for new developments. If you want to build offices at some place, you need to build k * offices houses at a nearby location.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by gehwartzen on Friday July 28, 2017 @07:55PM (#14878553)
I agree. When someone moves to a small town by choice there is nothing wrong with wanting it to remain similar as longs the majority of residents like it that way.

There are many new residents to San Francisco that also prefer living there over places like Manhattan precisely because they enjoy open spaces and non-overbearing buildings. Suppose these new tech employees finally convince housing changes and get some condo buildings put in place of the single residence structures. Fast forward 50 years and now the newest generation that wants to move to the city asks these condo building to be replaced with Tokyo style super dense micro-apartment buildings. Those condo owning old-timers might resist that, no?

And yes, I too fail to see the need for the centralized tech hubs that created this dynamic. Spread it out or build new hubs where land is cheap.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by closeparen on Saturday July 29, 2017 @11:35PM (#14884310)
Flooding as quickly as possible into hyper-connected and rapidly changing beehives of activity ("cities") is one of thew few constants of the history of human civilization.

The absurdity is that we have such low need for agricultural labor, and such sophisticated technology for skyscrapers and subways, and still live so far from each other, in such small clusters. The absurdity is that there are still, in 2017, substantial numbers of humans that don't live in major cities.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by oneshot908 on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:30PM (#14877322)
The residents of Brisbane get to inhale deeply of the fumes generated by nearby enormous mountains of garbage from SF and the bay area on a daily basis. I understand completely why they'd oppose development. Now I suspect if there were a deal in play to remove the awful stench once and for all, there'd be something in it for them.

Right now, they should drag this out as long and as hard as they can IMO lest they get screwed again. Because if the place didn't smell like a$$ on a daily basis, it would have been discovered and gentrified long ago (I remember checking the place out myself in 2007). It could be a fantastic suburb of SF in a world where win/win usually triumphed over I got mine so @#$% you. But that's not how this area works in my experience.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by pizzetta on Friday July 28, 2017 @06:40PM (#14878151)
But why put the onus on a small village when the city of SF itself is unwilling to allow normal city development & construction. If anyone are assholes, it's the city of SF itself --who, by the way, typically rally behind "we don't want to Manhattanize SF." If SF is unwilling to do their part, why would we expect a small village compensate ofr the city's unwillingness to support development?
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by deathanatos on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:22PM (#14878682)
I (as someone who supports building more in the Bay Area) don't want the onus to be just on Brisbane. I want it to be on the whole Bay Area, and all of its townships.

That one of the major issues I think the Bay Area faces: each township passes the buck to the next: "Why should we build housing, when township X is completely unwilling to do so?" Yes, and they say the same thing about you! With this attitude, nothing will ever get built, anywhere.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by pizzetta on Friday July 28, 2017 @08:42PM (#14878778)
I think we should recognize that SF and Brisbane are not in the same league. Anything Brisbane would build would be a drop in the bucket. SF can potentially add a hundred thousand units --two hundred thousand units, no problem without changing the character from village to full-blown city. 4,00 units more than doubles the pop of Brisbane. If we added 200,000 units to _only_ SF, that would add 25% to their pop. Another 200,000 would add 20% to SJ.

The Problem is SF, Oakland and SJ --localities which can/could build if they wanted to but simply don't.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by closeparen on Saturday July 29, 2017 @11:40PM (#14884326)
Oakland seems to be approving residential towers at a decent clip. I'm not sure it belongs in the same breath as SF and SJ.
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by wbl on Friday July 28, 2017 @09:02PM (#14878871)
It also increases the built area of Brisbane.
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by getemback on Friday July 28, 2017 @03:53PM (#14877006)
There's nothing wrong with small villages 7 miles from a major city or even a capital city, if the principal city is built properly. If you walk 7 miles from the center of Zurich, Switzerland you'll probably find yourself in the middle of a vineyard or pasture.
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by vecinu on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:07PM (#14877118)
Brisbane is 6.5 miles from downtown SF (https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=distance+downtown+san+...)

The entire peninsula is tiny, it's not fair to compare it to Zurich.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by microtherion on Friday July 28, 2017 @07:37PM (#14878452)
You can find both grazing cows and vineyards WITHIN the city limits of Zurich, less than 3 miles from the center.
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by aphextron on Friday July 28, 2017 @03:55PM (#14877020)
Zurich is not located on a 7 mile wide peninsula.
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by glibgil on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:22PM (#14877238)
This is some strange SF manifest destiny argument
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by greglindahl on Friday July 28, 2017 @03:59PM (#14877060)
Your statement appears to have nothing to do with the area that Brisbane, CA is located in.
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by getemback on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:04PM (#14877095)
I was just objecting to the idea that a small town was inappropriate in this context. With a suitable urban form there's no reason why you couldn't take the entire population of Brisbane and put them all on 640 acres, with 80% open space.

But Brisbane, California is not a "small town" it's a disgusting example of exurban sprawl.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Brisbane,+CA/@37.679201,-1...

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by glibgil on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:18PM (#14877210)
> Brisbane, California is not a "small town"

Brisbane is a small town. It is dense, not sprawling. It has a town square and a handful of shops. It has schools. It is surrounded by empty space on all sides. It is in a canyon of San Bruno Mountain on three sides and surround by bay water and rail yards on the north side. You don't know what you are talking about

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by getemback on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:26PM (#14877280)
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by glibgil on Friday July 28, 2017 @05:16PM (#14877630)
That's not the town. That's the industrial park. The town is just south of there. It's made up of houses, not warehouses. Even including the industrial park, Brisbane is small, a town, not sprawling, and is completely detached from SF by water and a couple miles of rail yards. Tunnel Ave is really long and no one drives on it. It is effectively a country road that leads from SF to Brisbane. Go drive it or bike it or walk it some time. Brisbane is a completely separate place from SF
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by getemback on Friday July 28, 2017 @05:24PM (#14877696)
You obviously have no idea what the boundaries of Brisbane are.
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by glibgil on Sunday July 30, 2017 @06:45PM (#14888275)
Here you go. It's EXACTLY as I described. http://www.zipmap.net/California/San_Mateo_County/Brisbane.h...
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by vecinu on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:09PM (#14877134)
If you look at your link, you will see the address is (142 Elderberry Ln, Brisbane, CA 94005).

Looking at the map (https://goo.gl/maps/7kvttaK8z7F2), it's not even in Brisbane proper, so I think you're wrong about your assessment.

I have been to Brisbane, the number of large McMansions is very tiny.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by getemback on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:20PM (#14877222)
This one is. It almost seems designed to trick a machine learning classifier into classifying it as a warehouse or something.

Point it the existing built environment of Brisbane, CA is not worth preserving. Its car-dependent nature is a menace to the region.

https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6916572,-122.4087356,3a,90y,...

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by vecinu on Friday July 28, 2017 @05:05PM (#14877563)
Your link still points to a house outside of Brisbane proper... how transit efficient is San Francisco outside of downtown? BART doesn't reach most of SF, MUNI is abysmal and buses...well, Brisbane has buses too.

I think your assessment is a bit heavy handed considering how bad public transit is in the area in general.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by getemback on Friday July 28, 2017 @05:11PM (#14877603)
You seem to be defining "Brisbane proper" as the area between San Francisco Ave. and Firth Park. But Brisbane is much more extensive. The majority of its land area is taken up by empty land, single-story material handling facilities, and ludicrous sprawl at "The Ridge".
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by rbanffy on Friday July 28, 2017 @06:33PM (#14878114)
I wonder how many self-driving cars live in that house...
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by greglindahl on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:12PM (#14877156)
Oh, you're raising a non-sequitor. Got it.

That's not what we call an 'exurb', either.

Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by drspacemonkey on Friday July 28, 2017 @04:13PM (#14877165)
I think that was part of the point. IE: "if the principal city is built properly" implies the principal city isn't built properly.
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by greglindahl on Friday July 28, 2017 @05:16PM (#14877629)
Oh, that makes sense. Instead of talking about what we could actually do -- build high-density by an existing and underused transit hub -- let's complain about the way the entire Bay Area is laid out!
Re:A Bay Area developer wants to build 4,400 homes where the... by maxscam on Friday July 28, 2017 @11:40PM (#14879347)
I grew up here, it was a very ideal place for families. More suburban than sf (population of less than 5k) but didnt feel like sprawl either. We played in the streets, can't do that in most of sf. Although to be fair this area theyre talking about isnt really in brisbane anyway, its on a industrial stretch.