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Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by jeffdavis on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:33PM (#14840649)
They make decent money -- good money even. This is really an article about the high housing costs in the Bay Area. I don't see any other real message here.

All of the people who oppose residential development near work sites are to blame. Period.

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by ryandrake on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:29PM (#14841272)
Sorry for having to be "that guy" but they're living in Menlo Park for crying out loud! I'd love to live in Menlo Park too, but I can't afford it, so instead I live 2 hours away and commute to work like everyone else. In the Bay Area, living close to work is pretty much a luxury for the rich.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by hkmurakami on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:58PM (#14841528)
I suspect this is actually East Menlo Park, since the homeowners in Menlo Park proper are very unlikely to rent out a garage like this. East Menlo Park is substantially more affordable than Menlo Park, though at this point more costly than many East Bay areas.

Living in Hayward for example would make housing more affordable, but as you allude to, commute times would likely 4-5x (because bridges) and their kids' education would suffer due to school districts since they likely take advantage of the Tinsley Voluntary Transfer Program to attend schools in Menlo Park's school district (whereas Hayward schools are not good by any stretch of the imagination)

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by rlanday on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:25PM (#14842317)
What is East Menlo Park? Do you mean East Palo Alto?
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by hkmurakami on Monday July 24, 2017 @07:04PM (#14843557)
No, East Menlo park is north of East Palo alto. It's adjacent to FB HQ and has separate services from MP.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by intjk on Monday July 24, 2017 @08:35PM (#14844053)
I live in the Belle Haven neighborhood. And I love it. Go jogging frequently, always feel safe, diverse neighborhood...
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by overcast on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:33PM (#14841874)
Sorry, you commute two hours EACH WAY EVERY DAY? Nothing is worth that. I'd expect serious money for putting up with that, and at that point, you could just afford to live closer.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by InitialLastName on Monday July 24, 2017 @05:22PM (#14842821)
Yeah, I have a feeling these super-commuters don't value their time especially well.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by ryandrake on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:53PM (#14842044)
Nobody pays you more based on how long your commute is.

It's a tradeoff lost of people make. 1. Live in a garage, 2. Long commute, or 3. Live in an area with fewer job prospects?

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by igorgue on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:15PM (#14842240)
Nobody pays you more based on how long your commute is.

Somebody has never negotiated a salary... The answer is yes, a lot more, you just go "This commute is unbearable and I won't move to your stupid neighborhood so if you want me, pay me 20k more" (not a joke, I did that, for a 45 mins commute).

Just think about all the stuff you've missed out by being so closed minded and not saying it, many people will pay you more if you complain about your commute, that's a fact.

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by overcast on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:54PM (#14842054)
I didn't say they were based on distance, but you shouldn't be accepting average pay for that. There are jobs everywhere, especially software. The bay area is completely ridiculous. 1/6th of your life is wasted. Think about it.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by chaostheory on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:06PM (#14841598)
yeah if they lived in the East Bay or further north with access to BART such as Pittsburg or Concord, it would be more affordable. I've had developer coworkers live there talk about the commute. Not fun, but makes the finances better.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by kevmo on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:30PM (#14841281)
Apparently good money does not translate into a liveable wage.

"Stop grandstanding and take care of your own house first" is more of the message of this article, I'd say.

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by FLUX-YOU on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:43PM (#14841383)
"$x is a 'good wage'" has always been a simple and loaded statement, but with the media highlighting economic inequality (esp. around tech and silicon valley) for so long, news & people now commonly discuss cost-of-living with wages and now look at the net value as the talking point.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by Houshalter on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:47PM (#14841986)
It's not a loaded statement. No one is making you live a the place with the highest cost of living in the US.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by kevmo on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:01PM (#14842116)
"Just move away" is not a legitimate response to these problems.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by Houshalter on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:22PM (#14842296)
There is a limited supply of housing and they have no interest in building more. That means only a limited number of people can live there. Someone has to move. Rents will just keep increasing until they do. Paying them more will just increase rents more until someone else is forced out.

And I do see it as a lifestyle choice. You can't choose a lot of things in life, but you can choose where you live. I don't have a huge amount of sympathy for people who choose to live in the most expensive part of the US, and then complain about the cost of living. Despite making boatloads more money than me. I certainly don't feel like I should be forced to subsidize their lifestyle choice (I know that isn't the argument presented here, but it is an issue that often comes up with these issues. I don't think cost of living should be taken into account with regard to government programs and subsidies.)

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by humanrebar on Monday July 24, 2017 @09:21PM (#14844302)
> ...they have no interest in building more

"They" are easy to motivate, though. You just need to make it profitable and possible to do. "They" are actually very reliable that way.

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by xenihn on Monday July 24, 2017 @04:47PM (#14842533)
>There is a limited supply of housing and they have no interest in building more.

Who is "they"?

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by InitialLastName on Monday July 24, 2017 @05:24PM (#14842850)
The people who own the local supply of housing.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by xenihn on Monday July 24, 2017 @06:17PM (#14843255)
At what point do you think that the interests of citizens who don't own property supersede the interests of those who do?
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by InitialLastName on Monday July 24, 2017 @09:33PM (#14844362)
In political science terms: At the point where there are enough of the former to take the property from the latter (by any given method).
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by kevin_b_er on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:40PM (#14840721)
They make terrible money because they have no net money after basic expenses.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by frgtpsswrdlame on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:59PM (#14840953)
The article never mentions what hours they get, just their hourly rate. It's not fair to say they're making good money.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by rokhayakebe on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:11PM (#14841651)
good money even

How is $19/hour good money in California?

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by elmar on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:47PM (#14840812)
doesn't say how much are they paying for the two car garage, even at lower rents how much lower they must be, to be cheaper then what they are paying now, so that they increase their standard of living.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by jahaja on Monday July 24, 2017 @03:32PM (#14841868)
Housing costs? Well partly sure, but equally due to the lack of a social welfare system.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by placeybordeaux on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:43PM (#14840771)
> All of the people who oppose residential development near work sites are to blame. Period.

Are you saying that is the only thing that is keeping the bay area's cost of living high?

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by crooked-v on Monday July 24, 2017 @01:49PM (#14840836)
Housing costs are exaggerated in San Francisco by orders of magnitude more than every other component of cost of living.
Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by JSDave on Monday July 24, 2017 @05:38PM (#14842952)
There are other factors that also push up housing costs. placeybordeaux just disagrees that NIMBYism is the ONLY factor. I don't know if NIMBYism is even the primary factor.

For example, we have a small public transit network resulting in few options for high density construction.

There's a construction labor shortage that will likely worsen.

There's a sudden surge in jobs.

Re:Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet by abalashov on Monday July 24, 2017 @02:05PM (#14841025)
No, I don't think the GP is. But it's a rather predominant factor!