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Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by mabbo on Monday July 10, 2017 @08:44AM (#14735370)
I've never understood the ways that modern companies handle layoffs- call people into a meeting room one by one, tell them they're being let go, then escort them out of the building. It's not just that it's cold, but it builds a huge cloud of oppression for everyone else.

I just watched this happen to a friend, and the guy who was sitting next to him is now saying "I could be next, better start talking to recruiters". Do the companies think we're all going to cut contact with the friend and valued coworker? Of course not, we're going to be buying them a beer in a couple hours.

I don't know what a better way would be, but I'd sure like to see some innovation in that space. Something less cold, something more human.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by pavlov on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:10AM (#14735549)
Immediately escorting fired employees out of the building is an extremely aggressive signal, and I don't know if it gets used much outside of USA.

It's possible to do layoffs in a completely different way, but it takes time and management patience. When Nokia fired thousands of employees back in 2011-13, they created a program called Bridge that offered former employees seed money to create startups, and even the possibility to negotiate for a spin-off license of IP assets created at Nokia:

https://www.google.fi/amp/www.zdnet.com/google-amp/article/i...

It seems that the program was a success by any measure. Nokia is still around and doing better than in a long time, after shedding the mobile phone albatross to Steve Ballmer for an inflated price.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by speeder on Monday July 10, 2017 @11:09AM (#14736578)
I once got fired that way...

I won't give too much details, but basically it was this:

Bigwig liked me. Guy directly under bigwig, was my theoretically boss. back then I didn't understood office politics, and kept communicating with bigwig directly, because project was his idea, and his coding style was similar to mine (when he used to code) so he understood what I was doing.

I made a genuine screwup due to mental illness (now treated), guy under bigwig fired me.

I complained to bigwig on the same day, he unfired me.

I still had screwed up though... so bigwig gives me some deadline to fix my stuff.

Some weeks later, about 3 days before deadline, bigwig had to take a business trip...

So guy under bigwig shows up, tell me to show him "now" the project, since I was counting on using all the days on the deadline, it wasn't ready, so he tells me I failed and I was fired.

I tried to argue, and find bigwig... but he didn't let me, instead he made me get escorted out of the building, I didn't even got to clean my desk (like 2 years later a co-worker that grabbed my stuff returned them to me when we went to the same event).

Of course I still tried to contact bigwig, but I just wanted to ask my stuff back. Found out that they deleted my e-mail, blocked my personal e-mail from their server, reception stonewalled me (kept giving me obvious excuses to not pass on my call to anyone), banned me from the building (that had other companies too but...) and so on.

And that is how I found out the hard way how office politics work...

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by JoeAltmaier on Monday July 10, 2017 @11:14AM (#14736634)
But, seriously, in some views the day the screwup happened was the day to leave. Sometimes we seriously overstay our welcome. The 'bigwig' had no business overriding the manager in charge at all.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by bboreham on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:34PM (#14741212)
Anecdote: I had to terminate a contractor; he said "ok, I understand, can I just send a quick email to say goodbye?", so I let him walk back to his desk where he typed for a minute.

Few minutes later we realised he had run "rm -rf" on the central source code repository.

Restored from backup in a couple of hours, but I'll never repeat that experiment.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by mawburn on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @01:11AM (#14741715)
Might be an ancedote, but this is exactly why people are escorted out of the building. As much as it sucks, I understand why it's a necessary evil.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by jbergens on Wednesday July 12, 2017 @06:10AM (#14751327)
It is not necessary, it rarely happens like that in the nordic countries.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by iaskwhy on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:55AM (#14735891)
I've seen this happening in the UK to around 40 colleagues at 10am one day. I'm assuming it's because it's a sensitive job information-wise so one is not allowed to touch his computer anymore. I've heard non-contractors still get paid the missing weeks as per their contract, they're just not allowed in the building. It's miserable, by the way. The mood continues in a low for months when it happens.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by oblio on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:28AM (#14736207)
I was working for an famous US company in their Romanian offices. When I resigned nobody escorted me out of the premises.

And that's:

- in a developing country

- in a country not known for its excellent reputation regarding fraud, corruption, theft, etc.

- as an employee holding the "keys to the kingdom" (access to multiple production environments, admin level access to source control systems used by 90% of the company's products, etc., etc.)

I know that I wasn't fired, I resigned, so things are not quite the same, but people who were fired got the same treatment. Just leave the company stuff behind, pack your personal stuff and leave at date X.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by 8draco8 on Monday July 10, 2017 @12:23PM (#14737340)
That's the reason - you resigned. You knew for weeks or maybe months that you will be going away, it was not a surprise to you that it will be your last day at work, if you wanted to sabotage your employer you would to it before informing them about resignation. It's totally different the other way around especially when highly sensitive data is involved (like credit cards) or if you have keys to the kingdom. Some people have instant urge for revenge after firing talk. That's why companies that don't know theirs employees well or don't trust them, are escorting them immediately out of the building "just in case". I agree that it shouldn't be like that but sometimes, if you are not sure how employee will react is better to be save than sorry.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by Spooky23 on Monday July 10, 2017 @12:46PM (#14737555)
That just reflects the suckage of a global IT org with ITIL process and sourced operations.

Firings usually shortcut the twaddle and bunkum associated with that particular bureaucratic form.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by jerry40 on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:50AM (#14735852)
>Immediately escorting fired employees out of the building is an extremely aggressive signal, and I don't know if it gets used much outside of USA.

I saw that in Moscow in 2008 (one big investment bank fired several guys from our team in 20-30 minutes in front of my eyes). It was very unusual. They did now allow a fired person to touch his computer after firing him.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by JoeAltmaier on Monday July 10, 2017 @11:16AM (#14736647)
My buddy was in his cubicle, then the network went down. Everybody was standing in the aisles chatting about it, milling around, and HR showed up. Read a list of names, got them in a group, escorted them out of the building. Then the network came back up. Back to work!
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by gaius on Monday July 10, 2017 @03:19PM (#14738815)
Years ago, I was a consultant onsite at my client, a high street bank, they were going through layoffs, my contact there had stashed a bottle of champagne and some paper cups in his desk, his plan was when they called his name, he would pour everyone a cup before going to meet his fate.

He was the only one who didn't get called... Neither of us could stop laughing...

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by jerry40 on Monday July 10, 2017 @12:43PM (#14737520)
Such a sad story! Somehow it reminded me a mix of 1984 and Brazil.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by EGreg on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:13AM (#14736076)
Next: escorting fired people at gunpoint with guards ready to... fire!
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by jerry40 on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:18AM (#14736114)
It is too expensive... Just kiddnig. They paid fired people compensation for 2 months though.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by nonamechicken on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:07AM (#14736009)
This happened to one of my colleagues working in an Indian IT company. Instead of security, it was his manager who escorted him out. There was nothing sensitive about his project either.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by skocznymroczny on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:48AM (#14735836)
I think it's mostly an American thing. In Poland (and probably other European countries), under a normal work contract, you are told in advance about being laid off, at least two weeks I think. It gives you enough time to look for another job, and it gives you time to pass your work to your coworkers. No one really does retaliation here, it's all done in a mostly peaceful atmosphere, the laid off employee is trying to finish what he started and pass on the work to the person that will replace him.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by thedarkproject on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:55AM (#14735896)
In Switzerland it's usually 2-3 months notice, for both sides. Depends on what's written in your contract. But escorting people out after firing them seems very harsh and overdramatic to me. Never heard of such things in Europe.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by hyeonwho2 on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:02AM (#14735968)
Rationally, the company is trying to avoid employees stealing IP, corrupting files, and sabotaging work. But the social signal it sends is "we don't trust our employees, respect them as people, or value their original contributions to our business. They are just replaceable cogs in our machine."
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by syshum on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:47AM (#14736404)
>>>They are just replaceable cogs in our machine.

Which matches how most corporations see their employees

They are Human Resources, to be consumed like any other resource

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by camiller on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:06AM (#14736004)
I'm in the US, and on a contract sure, as a contractor I was once told 7 weeks before that my contract was not being continued (new CIO put a freeze on all new hiring/contracts/contract extensions while they evaluated workload). That contract had already been extended twice.

Also once, as an employee not a contractor, I was laid off and while I was given time to say some farewells to colleagues I was politely asked not to attempt to log in. I had worked there long enough that I received 6 months severance pay so I had time to get another job.

FWIW, All of my career has been in the American mid-west in "employment at will" states. I've never been asked to sign a contract as an normal employee.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by skrause on Monday July 10, 2017 @12:49PM (#14737581)
While a company has to give you a few weeks notice in Germany (unless you're fired without notice because stole something etc.), they can simply send you home with pay if they don't need you anymore or don't want to let you near sensitive data. I've seen multiple people who were fired and told to clean their desks and go home (but they weren't escorted out). But a least they got some paid time off to search for a new job.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by mamon on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:28AM (#14736198)
Are you sure that's not because it is unusual for an IT specialist in Poland to be fired in the first place? Most of the time it is an employee giving notice because he's got a better offer elsewhere, not being laid off.

I've actually seen such thing in Poland for a DB admin - the guy was asked to come to his manager's office where he was told that he's fired, and other admins used that time to change all the production DB passwords.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by Akath19 on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:10AM (#14736046)
It's mostly a US (not American, America is a continent after all) thing.

In Latin America getting laid off means being called to HR in the morning around 10:00am and getting told "you're being let go, please clean out your desk, fill in your boss on any pending work and finish your workday"

I've only seen one person escorted out of the building in the US way and that was because he was stealing corporate info.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by muninn_ on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:14AM (#14736080)
American refers to people form the United States in colloquial language across the globe, so the person you replied to was correct in their use of American.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by ChemicalWarfare on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:14AM (#14736087)
In the US, regardless of the way things are handled in terms of escorting/not escorting ppl out of the building - you do typically get 2 more paid weeks unless you were terminated for stealing etc. Some union employees get severance packages far exceeding the 2 paid weeks period.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by pc86 on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:00AM (#14735486)
Someone is losing their job unexpectedly. Nearly everyone spends too much of their income and saves too little for retirement/emergencies, so losing your job unexpectedly can have devastating financial consequences. Even bouncing back and finding another job could set your retirement back years if it doesn't happen quickly enough, and ruin your credit if you don't have appropriate savings.

I don't think there's a way to make it "more human." The opposite extreme of your scenario is bringing everyone (either on site, or everyone getting laid off) into a room and break the news in one shot. I've had coworkers who have been laid off in the "put everyone in a room" way. 60 people told at the same time their position had been eliminated, leave their badge at the door on the way out. That's not any less cold. I'd argue individually telling folks is better. It lets people have an emotional reaction if they need to, and not have to worry about the other dozens of people around them.

If you need to lay off many people at once, there is no good way to do it.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by keithpeter on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:36AM (#14735743)
"Nearly everyone spends too much of their income and saves too little for retirement/emergencies, so losing your job unexpectedly can have devastating financial consequences."

UK: in larger organisations (I mean big enough to have more than say 20 employees being made redundant) there is a consultation process that lasts a month or can last up to three months depending on the number of people being made redundant. There is a process that has to be kept to and there is a statutory minimum amount of redundancy pay [1] as well as payment in lieu of notice. Redundancy payments are tax free up to a limit

The result is in my experience less secrecy (consultation period) and some sort of financial safety net, at least a few months worth.

[1] https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/redundancy-pay

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by grogenaut on Monday July 10, 2017 @11:34AM (#14736865)
How shitty do the employees get during the consultation period?
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by keithpeter on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @06:15AM (#14742889)
Interpersonal relationships can become 'interesting' during this period, but deliberate vandalism would be self-selection for redundancy and possible criminal action. Management become very 'correct' - to the extent of external 'consultants' sitting in on meetings and taking notes - and you can bet on morale being significantly impacted during and for up to a year after a long consultation.

As pointed out below, the consultation period is before those being made redundant are (officially) selected. In large organisations - for extra fun - you have things called 'redundancy pools' based around areas of work or grades that all share a risk of redundancy but only (e.g.) 5 out of 25 will actually be made redundant. I should also point out that larger orgs often offer voluntary redundancy at enhanced terms within given 'pools' - unions where they exist will often bargain for enhanced terms.

Not a pleasant time but does give people weeks/months to find something else and take what financial precautions they can - and perhaps decide that 'VR' (voluntary redundancy) is possibly attractive. Yes, you do lose good people sometimes.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by gaius on Monday July 10, 2017 @03:20PM (#14738825)
Often there is no requirement that they come in during this period, it's one form of "gardening leave".
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by bboreham on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:29PM (#14741197)
Consultation happens before the decision is made* about who is leaving and who will still have a job.

* officially made

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by jacobr1 on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:29AM (#14735696)
The way to make it more humane is a generous severance.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by pc86 on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:40AM (#14735773)
Severance just accelerates the firing process. If you've got to provide 3 months severance, you're laying people off at least 3 months sooner than you otherwise would. I'm sure there have been companies contemplating layoffs that have been able to just barely make numbers to avoid it.

Not arguing against severance just saying that "well throw some money at them" doesn't necessarily make it any better.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by syshum on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:58AM (#14735931)
It does not make it better for the companies, but it does make it MUCH better for the employee, as they now have 3 months to find a job before having to dip into any savings, retirement, or make painful phone calls to creditors looking for payment forgiveness and other things

Companies generally do not tell you 3 mos in advance you are being laid off, so if there is no severance then you are blind sided and are instantly with out income

I would much rather my layoff come 3mos sooner and have 3 months to look for a job before having no income, then been "allowed" to continue to work 3 months longer with no severance

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by TheCoelacanth on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:33AM (#14736256)
Accelerating it is exactly what makes it more humane. You now have 3 months to find another job instead of immediately losing income.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by soneil on Monday July 10, 2017 @05:30PM (#14739875)
Ours is 8 weeks pay per year worked. I’ve got a friend going through this at the moment, with 20 years under his belt.

You may not be that surprised to hear that he’s not bitter at all, and has every intention of working ‘till his last day.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by EGreg on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:15AM (#14736098)
I would definitely prefer the mass-firing way.

Because people feel strength in numbers and don't beat themselves up that only THEY are being let go. If all those other people are being fired - including Bob over there who (50% chance) worked harder than me - then it's not my fault.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by kemiller2002 on Monday July 10, 2017 @08:55AM (#14735439)
There are some valid reasons for it. It's sad the way that it happens, but I've been there on occasion where they didn't do that. One stats guy decided he was angry that it happened . . . . he started deleting all the loss curve data we needed off of the network. There was a hurry to stop him which resulted in the network staff having to unplug all the cables from the routers. Hours of having to put the cable back in and who know how much work was lost.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by pc86 on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:01AM (#14735494)
No amount of anger justifies that kind of behavior. If that's not criminal, it should be.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by jerf on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:27AM (#14735684)
It is. If it ever crosses (generic-you) your mind to do that, don't. The revenge is very unlikely to be worth the very significant legal risk you are incurring. Stick to tradition and bad-mouth them with friends at a bar.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by skocznymroczny on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:54AM (#14735883)
or write an angry blog post
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by EGreg on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:17AM (#14736113)
or start a rival company and put them out of business, by slowly taking away all their main clients and then winning a case in court overturning the noncompete agreement using legal precedents in your state.

That escalated quickly, no? :)

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by oblio on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:46AM (#14736394)
I'm pretty sure that's a criminal offense in most countries in the world. You're destroying company property, at least.

It's the best way to destroy your career and really become unemployable, even if you don't go to jail.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by enraged_camel on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:02AM (#14735503)
What you need to do immediately before informing an employee that you are letting them go is revoke their access to critical systems and/or disable their accounts. That way, you can allow them to go back to their desk and say their goodbyes to their coworkers without risking them doing silly stuff like delete data.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by jermaustin1 on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:33AM (#14736260)
This leads to people who are sick finding out before they are fired, that they are fired. Happened at a client's place a couple years ago, they letting go of all the senior sysadmins, killed their credentials, then fired them. 2 of the admins were out sick, and they lost their email, and their access to the monitoring tools.

When the employees came in, they were escorted by "guards" to get their stuff, and not allowed to say goodbye to anyone. That said, they were allowed in the next day as a guest with no issues.

Company's assume the worst of people so they put in all these policies and procedures instead of treating adults like adults. If the adult decided to delete something. Charge them with a crime. I would go ahead and guess that no one that was laid off in that time would have done something so brazen.

Last I had lunch with any of them, they were doing better in their new gigs. More money or freedom.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by enraged_camel on Monday July 10, 2017 @12:24PM (#14737355)
Let me clarify: the type of procedure I suggested requires close collaboration between HR, legal, IT and the department the employee is in, and it requires careful execution. That can ensure that employees are not terminated while they are out sick, among other things.

For example:

It's Friday afternoon. HR calls department manager and asks them if Bob is currently at his desk. Department manager confirms.

HR then asks department manager to ask to have a quick chat with Bob, and to notify HR immediately before that meeting starts. Department manager arranges this with Bob, who is wrapping up another meeting.

15 minutes later, department manager sends an email or IM to HR saying he/she and Bob are about to head over to the meeting room, where Bob will be fired.

HR confirms, then contacts the IT department and asks them to immediately revoke Bob's access to all critical systems. (The procedure for this will be established well in advance, and documented. Ideally a script will make this a single-click operation.)

In the meeting, Bob finds out that he is being let go at the end of the day, and told that he can spend the remainder of his time at the office saying goodbyes and maybe even writing a goodbye email to his coworkers if he chooses to do so. He is explicitly instructed to BCC his manager and HR in that email. He is also made aware, both verbally and in writing, that his access to all other systems has been revoked, and even attempting to use those systems will alert HR and result in him immediately being escorted out.

--

Of course you also need strict policies such as "employees cannot use their personal email addresses when signing up for products and services on behalf of the company." That way if you fire someone you don't lose access to critical systems. Have a shared email for each department that is used for that purpose.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by muninn_ on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:20AM (#14735626)
Or, you just ghost people. Walk in one day and your badge doesn't work. Or you somehow get in and you can't log on "sorry ma'am can't find you in the system here".

Didn't Twitter do something like that recently?

Although, begrudgingly I agree that it's something that should probably be done if you know somebody is being let go.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by iaskwhy on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:00AM (#14735950)
This happened to me once. I was not allowed in the building so I called a colleague to bring me in as a visitor. Upon trying to login, "account has been disabled". Called IT, "you've been fired". Called my line manager, "I have no idea what you're talking about". Turns out someone forgot to extend my contract on the system.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by Chris2048 on Monday July 10, 2017 @11:43AM (#14736947)
If that's the case, the IT person was a dick to tell you / assume you'd been fired.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by JustSomeNobody on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:51AM (#14735866)
Last layoff I saw happen (I survived), they emailed the people being layed off and told them to meet in a conference room. So as all of them got up, they noticed the rest of us staying. We all instantly knew. 15 minutes later, they all come walking back to get their personal items with armed security guards patrolling (maybe a dozen).

I started looking for my next job that day. I don't want to work for a company that does that to people. Yes, layoffs happen, but 1) NO management got layed off. 2) Treating people like this during the layoff (armed guards, herding them into a room together), is just disgusting.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by weberc2 on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:59AM (#14735935)
Where do you work that has armed security guards? The government?
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by JustSomeNobody on Monday July 10, 2017 @01:20PM (#14737880)
They hired them just to monitor the situation. The people there could not have been a more docile bunch if you drugged them, which made it all the more painful to watch.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by gaius on Monday July 10, 2017 @02:10PM (#14738296)
One company I worked for had people come to meeting room 1 or 2. When room 2 was full they locked the door, opened the fire escape and told those people they were laid off and to leave now...
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by borplk on Wednesday July 12, 2017 @01:55AM (#14750416)
It's the ugly truth about the relationship with an employer. Some just manage to hide it better.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by baursak on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:20AM (#14735630)
> I don't know what a better way would be, but I'd sure like to see some innovation in that space. Something less cold, something more human.

It might help to remember that fundamentally, modern corporations are top-down totalitarian regimes, and adjust your expectations accordingly.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by emodendroket on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:37AM (#14735753)
Sure, but there's no fundamental law of the universe that says we have to just accept that unconditionally and let them do whatever they please.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by baursak on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:50AM (#14735851)
You're right, capitalism is not a fundamental law of the universe.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by emodendroket on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:35AM (#14736269)
Even without abandoning a generally capitalist framework you can impose restrictions on what corporations can do. Even among countries with a capitalist system the American system is unique in how easy it is to fire people.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by redleggedfrog on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:49AM (#14735846)
Or you need a revolution to overthrow the totalitarian regime(s). Just saying, there's always options, just depends on how motivated you are to change things.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by ColanR on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:50AM (#14736423)
It's called a startup.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by 11thEarlOfMar on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:56AM (#14735905)
I once had a manager get into a fist fight with the engineer he was laying off. The HR manager was in the room at the time.

When management gets together to decide how to handle the notice, the legal department weighs in and says that you have to handle all notices in the same way so you don't create any discrimination liability, and, you have to anticipate the worst case situation where the employee becomes violent.

So you wind up with security escorting the just-fired employees out of the building.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by kumarvvr on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:41AM (#14736336)
It's because as far as the company is concerned, the employee and his neighbor are replaceable commodities, with their replacements able to handle their work with minimum business impact. That is how it is in most of the roles in most of the IT companies in India. They are in the services field, not the innovation or product or value addition field.

In industries where the company values the employee, this hardly happens. Of course I am excluding employees who have considerable access or reach, who can cause significant business impact, ex. financial sector.

But, whatever the company thinks of it's employees, it's a good practice to not humiliate the employee. Suing also doesn't work in India. So a service job in the IT sector is only a slight degree away from bonded labor.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by LanceH on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:24AM (#14736174)
Call a company meeting. Tell everyone who is staying to sneak out before hand and not attend the meeting. Lay off everyone at the meeting while you lock them out of their computers. Do this on the last day of the month so nobody has insurance the next day.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by rabboRubble on Monday July 10, 2017 @02:44PM (#14738568)
I've seen this in other countries, where the person asked to leave had authority over outgoing payments, trades, contract signing, critical systems access, etc. that sort of thing.

If you terminate such a person without some preparation, they can go back to their desk and do mischievous things. That's the idea behind this.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by smithsmith on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @10:49AM (#14744626)
The best way is for the company to tell in a few lines that this is all they can do due to market pressure and any possible helps they can offer over mail. Its pointless to call in to a room and deliver through hr which creates unease to both humans.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by eecc on Monday July 10, 2017 @09:44AM (#14735799)
I think the problem is with the ubiquity of firearms in the USA; you want to escort someone out of the building before he/she tilts and starts shooting other people, starting from the manager that just threw them under the bus...
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by camiller on Monday July 10, 2017 @10:14AM (#14736086)
Most US businesses prohibit employees from bringing firearms to work, usually when there is an office shooting the fired employee has returned, often days later, for his revenge. Really does not impact the day of dismissal.

Edit: ...and does not happen often.

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by eecc on Monday July 10, 2017 @05:06PM (#14739670)
I'm no expert, but I understand you have government licenses to carry (even concealed) so how can a private entity interfere with those?

Anyhow whatever...

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by camiller on Tuesday July 11, 2017 @11:15AM (#14744865)
Laws vary from state to state, and sometimes even between jurisdictions within a state. In Nebraska for example, yes I can get the permit, but the law governing that permit says that any private property owner may prohibit persons from carrying on their property by simply posting this sign: https://statepatrol.nebraska.gov/vimages/shared/vnews/storie... . If I want to be a law abiding gun owner I have to respect that (despite the fact that it is silly), otherwise I could have the permit revoked, and possibly face other legal repercussions.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by soneil on Monday July 10, 2017 @05:33PM (#14739900)
It falls under the same umbrella as trespassing. You have permission to remain on private property within set rules.

From a legal point of view, it’s no different to “no shirt no service”.

(yes, even with a permit. I have a government-issued license to operate a couple of classes of motor vehicle. You're perfectly entitled to forbid me from doing so on your property.)

Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by ryandrake on Monday July 10, 2017 @06:11PM (#14740142)
I once worked at a place where a few of the guys organized an informal "bring your gun to work day" each week, where we'd go target shooting after work. Well at some point corporate got wind of it and, of course, freaked out and banned it. We had enough people who objected to the ban to make a stink of it (I hesitate to say we were "up in arms over it"), and eventually after negotiation we agreed to keep everything locked up in our cars in the parking lot.
Re:Indian IT, “You're Fired” by eecc on Monday July 10, 2017 @05:05PM (#14739657)
Heh never touch the gun subject in an USA forum... it won't be taken kindly