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Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by Freak_NL on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @06:59AM (#14644142)
The same phenomenon occurs with glass spheres. If you think about it it is obvious enough (most people are familiar with how a magnifying glass concentrates the ray of the sun in a single spot), but it is something people tend to overlook when employing glass spheres as elements of your interior design — e.g., glass door knobs, large marbles, and decorative knick-knacks (which people have a tendency to place on their windowsills).

Every once in a while a house fire is started because the sun sat at just the right angle at a certain time of the year, placing the focal point on the curtains. But because the risk is so low (it doesn't happen that frequently) many people are completely unaware of the phenomenon.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by buserror on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:07AM (#14644210)
Actually one of the official 'old school' tool to measure sun exposure thru the day in meteo stations is a glass sphere with a calibrated piece of paper underneath. Needs to be changed everyday, but the burn mark is quite neatly drawn on the chart.

EDIT: Found it again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell%E2%80%93Stokes_record...

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by shagie on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:26AM (#14646248)
One of the photographers that I'm intrigued by is Michael Wesely ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Wesely ) who takes ultra long exposures (a two week long exposure is "short" - his flower photographs are in that range). The museum of modern art was about two years. http://www.amusingplanet.com/2010/08/unusually-long-exposure...

You can see the tracks of the days and the cloud cover in those photographs. Note that the multiple year ones have multiple days going over a single track.

Aside from the extreme reciprocity failure in the film, its "only" about three stops from a one day exposure to a one week exposure... and another two stops to a month, and then another three and a half stops to a year.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by buserror on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @02:25PM (#14647892)
Thanks for the reminder on the reciprocity rules! I used to take super-long exposure with my 4x5/10x8 view cameras as well... basically after a few minutes, it doesn't /really/ matter anymore so stop counting in minutes/seconds, more in teacups+newspaper pages :-) I always loved the tonal range you get on way, WAY overexposed film.
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by shagie on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @02:56PM (#14648163)
Digging up an old page (I am not sure if the film still has that characteristic curve), Provia 100F had some very nice lack of reciprocity failure. http://home.earthlink.net/~kitathome/LunarLight/moonlight_ga... (from http://home.earthlink.net/~kitathome/LunarLight/moonlight_ga... - its an old frames page).

The correction for a 1200 second (20m) exposure on Kodak black and white film was at 12x (for 14400s, 4h). However, the extrapolation for the curve for Provia 100F put the reciprocity failure for 1200s at 2.35 for a 3000 second exposure.

Looking at the methods and results is interesting, though I've gone nearly full digital now.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by pavel_lishin on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @10:46AM (#14645845)
I've never seen a glass sphere this large - it's almost surreal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campbell%E2%80%93Stokes_record...

I keep looking at it, my brain confused why I can't see through what is clearly a transparent object. It doesn't feel like I'm looking through it, though inverted; it feels like I'm seeing a weird depiction of the nature scene around me plastered on its surface.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by cr0sh on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:46PM (#14646973)
You might be interested in this:

https://www.treehugger.com/solar-technology/solar-prototype-...

https://cleantechnica.com/2013/12/23/solar-ball-lens-improve...

Not solid glass, though (I don't know what it is, but I imagine there's an upper limit on size of solid glass spheres that can be made)...

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by fleetingmoments on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @09:23AM (#14645128)
I was stationed at a very remote weather station where apparently, in previous years, some of the meteorologists were too lazy to change the sun exposure sheets during the year. Just before the relief voyage came there was a sunny day and they 'recorded' the whole year's data.
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by anc84 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @08:27AM (#14644734)
That is fascinating and worthy its own submission!
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by krallja on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:40AM (#14644409)
That's ingenious.
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by weberc2 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @08:32AM (#14644771)
This building in London can melt cars or set fires in other buildings: http://www.nbcnews.com/science/how-london-skyscraper-can-mel...
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by vanderZwan on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @08:58AM (#14644923)
Well, melt the paint on cars. I suspect that the amount of energy required to melt an entire car would be quite a lot more than even a skyscraper worth of surface area could gather from the sun.

> This isn't the first time Viñoly's architecture has raised eyebrows as well as temperatures: His Vdara Hotel in Las Vegas has been criticized for directing sunbeams onto the swimming pool deck that are hot enough to melt plastic and singe people's hair. The hotspot became known as the "Vdara death ray."

Based on this I'm inclined to believe Viñoly fits the negative "rockstar architect" stereotype. I mean, making that mistake once is one thing, but then doing it again?

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by captainmuon on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @09:43AM (#14645281)
> I suspect that the amount of energy required to melt an entire car would be quite a lot more than even a skyscraper worth of surface area could gather from the sun.

Actually, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_furnace ... The furnace in Odeillo, France can reach up to 3500 °C, and it's cross section is just about 50x50 meters. Of course, your typical skyscraper won't create those temperatures accidentially, but if you have the surface area of a skyscraper side in mirrors and can arrange them like you want... it gets pretty pretty hot.

That's the temperature, about the energy: Steel melts at 1370 °C, specific heat of carbon steel is 490 J/kg K. I can't find the actually melting energy. But this means, roughly, that you need 168.5 kWh to raise a ton of steel to melting temperature. The Wikipedia article says the Odeillo device creates 3200 kW (although that paragraph seems to be cut off)., so in principle it should be possible to melt a car. Scary thing.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by cr0sh on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:48PM (#14646998)
Heck - if you purchase a new F-150, a simple engine fire can melt the entire thing to almost nothing (the truck is mostly made from aluminum - one of their prototypes a year or so ago on a test run caught fire to amusing results - no one was injured, fortunately)...
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by vanderZwan on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @01:28PM (#14647368)
Wow, TIL. Thank you! Good that the building doesn't have a perfect focal point then!
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by avian on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:13AM (#14644256)
Old overhead projectors used to have a big lens that focused the light from the lamp. I was present at a lecture where one spontaneously ignited because it was left standing (turned off) near the window where the sunlight was falling on it.

Big table-top loupes for fine electronics work are similar fire hazards. Ours now all have shutters and big warnings that the shutter must be closed when not in use.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by Double_a_92 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:18AM (#14644281)
A filled water bottle with a rounded top burned a hole in my dads car seat...
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by gozur88 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:04PM (#14646643)
In my high school one of the girls left one of those magnifying makeup mirrors in the passenger footwell of her car. It was a hot day, so she cracked the windows a bit.

Hours later as we were eating lunch the sun struck the mirror at just the right angle, and as we look over at the parking lot there's smoke billowing out of the car. Luckily there was no fire, but there was a line burned across the underside of the dashboard. It looked like someone had taken an acetylene torch to it.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by eric_h on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:12AM (#14646106)
Indeed, some friends of mine in college had an acrylic sphere that they left on a couch while they went to class. They came back to find the FDNY finishing up putting out the fire it caused.
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by swampers on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @08:05AM (#14644572)
See also: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-31594956 'Nutella jar house blaze' kills Twickenham family's dog
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by stcredzero on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:46PM (#14646969)
But because the risk is so low (it doesn't happen that frequently) many people are completely unaware of the phenomenon.

Also, people can't apply what they were supposed to learn in high school physics. It's not only Brazil that has this problem:

http://v.cx/2010/04/feynman-brazil-education

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by Florin_Andrei on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @01:55PM (#14647623)
> Also, people can't apply what they were supposed to learn in high school physics.

Well, it's very rare and therefore you don't think about it.

I make telescope mirrors, so I can't be accused of being unaware of the laws of optics. Yet until now I never thought about crystal balls (heck, even acrylic balls) as a potential fire hazard inside the house.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by stcredzero on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @04:25PM (#14649047)
Well, it's very rare and therefore you don't think about it.

Approximately spherical transparent objects are common. Approximately cylindrical and spherical reflective surfaces are common. Situations where you can apply high school physics are very, very common. Most of us just don't, because we're not trained to do so. We're trained to do the homework problems and answer the test questions. But don't we learn this stuff so we can use the knowledge in life?

I can't be accused of being unaware of the laws of optics. Yet until now I never thought about crystal balls (heck, even acrylic balls) as a potential fire hazard

So you're over halfway there. Now we collectively have a chance to learn the meta-lesson about applying knowledge.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by cowpewter on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @10:54AM (#14645925)
It's really common with round fishbowls as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV-Y74YH51M

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by jefurii on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:48PM (#14646988)
> The same phenomenon occurs with glass spheres.

Also clear water bottles (filled with water). In 1991 there was a brief period where homeowners all over Japan were putting clear PET bottles (PolyEthylene Terephthalate) at the edge of their properties because it was asserted on some talk show that the sparkles would keep animals away. This ended abruptly when a series of fires were started by the bottles.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by Camillo on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @01:43PM (#14647514)
Some people still do it. I've seen it this year in Akasaka.
Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by classybull on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @10:50PM (#14651367)
Its a fairly common thing in restaurants, at least in the South, to hang outside clear plastic bags half full of water from any sort of awning or overhang, especially around dumpsters.

Supposedly it confuses flies and they'll leave the area alone. I've never seen any evidence of this.

Re:An Ikea Bowl Has Been Setting Things on Fire by setq on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:13AM (#14644255)
You can even start a fire with a bottle of water in this fashion. I've done it!