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Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by mortenjorck on Monday June 26, 2017 @06:14PM (#14640821)
I was somewhat amused by the contrast between Google's partnership with Lowe's for Tango and Apple's partnership with IKEA for ARKit (https://www.macrumors.com/2017/06/19/ikea-plans-furniture-ap...). Judging by Tango demo videos, they've only authored 3D models of a tiny subset of the appliances and furniture Lowe's carries, which, unless you were really leaning toward that one model of LG oven, makes it more of a proof-of-concept than a practical tool.

Meanwhile, Apple went and partnered with the one vertically-integrated big-box store that happens to have 3D models of every single thing they carry.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by AndrewKemendo on Monday June 26, 2017 @09:16PM (#14641836)
Ikea has been a leader in AR since 2010 [1] with the first big retail roll out of a marker based AR capability. Makes sense that they would get the first crack at the next generation and for once a leader here is getting a chance to lead.

[1] http://www.retaildive.com/ex/mobilecommercedaily/ikea-takes-...

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by kevin_b_er on Monday June 26, 2017 @06:40PM (#14641013)
That's surprising that IKEA partnered with Apple. IKEA's concept is, to quote them, "providing a range of home furnishing products that are affordable to the many people, not just the few." while Apple is about premium end.

I fail to see how Apple's walled garden lock-in approach melds with the IKEA Concept.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by taneq on Monday June 26, 2017 @10:21PM (#14642111)
> IKEA's concept is, to quote them, "providing a range of home furnishing products that are affordable to the many people, not just the few." while Apple is about premium end.

No, no. You've bought in to Apple's marketing (as they want you to). Apple sells nice enough devices at high enough prices that they feel premium, but are still accessible to practically everyone. Their pitch isn't "we sell premium devices", it's "if you stretch a little more, and buy this phone, then you too could feel like you're premium".

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by gutnor on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @02:04AM (#14642882)
Apple devices are decently priced when they are refreshed. The premium marketing pitch or more precisely the focus on the premium experience however allows Apple to keep the release day price for the whole life of the product.

That alone is serious money. Up to 1 month before releasing a new version, an Apple product still has the same margin or more than on day 1.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by ballenf on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @02:26AM (#14642936)
All true, but if you factor in average usable life, Apple devices are cheaper than any competitor. In my opinion and experience -- thinking about phones and tablets in particular. Laptops might be a closer call.

All this assumes that the purchaser takes care of their stuff. Other people seem to actually want disposable gear and treat it as such.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by doikor on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @03:33AM (#14643202)
> but are still accessible to practically everyone.

Unless one is going for a used device I highly doubt this. I know a lot of people who truly can only afford the 50€ to 100€ phone that usually lasts them 2 to 3 years.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by acdha on Monday June 26, 2017 @07:08PM (#14641185)
It's an inherently loose comparison but they're both about solid value for the money – good design without luxury glitz. People like to parrot the trope about Apple being super high-end and overpriced but that's about reaffirming tribal loyalty rather than the product of rigorous analysis, just as some people like to joke about IKEA furniture being hard to assemble or crappy but they have millions of satisfied customers and their main challenge is keeping things in stock.
Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by davidy123 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @07:30AM (#14644353)
If you spend time with people who really have to make decisions before spending money, you'll find they don't use Apple gear because they can't afford it and to them it would be a luxury.

I'd also disagree about luxury glitz. Apple has continued to make devices with shiny aluminum shells. It's not importantly more robust (in fact it dents quite easily) and it's a lot heavier than other choices, whether plastic or magnesium and carbon fibre. It's all part of their image. There are many other ways Apple conveys a luxury image.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by acdha on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @09:59AM (#14645407)
Genuine poverty is a problem but it's not like we're talking about Bentleys here - an iPhone isn't free but anyone middle class can afford one, and they're about the same as comparable Android devices. The difference is that people on a budget buy the previous generation iPhone rather than a new but low-end Android device.

On the subject of materials, Apple makes quality devices which look nice but that doesn't make them high-end luxury devices any more than IKEA is selling luxury furniture because they have good designers make their products. For what the actual luxury market looks like, check out:

https://www.vertu.com/us/en/home/

https://gresso.com/smartphone-collection/

https://www.theverge.com/2015/1/5/7498785/88-tauri-tonino-la...

The contrast is obvious: most of that is showing expense for expense's sake, whereas Apple's designs are primarily focused on being functional rather than showing off your wealth.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by davidy123 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @10:25AM (#14645642)
You're talking as if there are only a few categories and we only care about "middle class." There are spectrums. I guess you don't see it, but I see many people; those who drive taxis, work in variety stores, are low income retired, etc who would definitely consider an iPhone a luxury item. There is a very low chance that anyone from those groups who needs basic smartphone features is going to buy an iPhone unless someone offers them a used one. Especially when you consider how much Apple wants to be an ecosystem, a device for every category that is expensive for every category.

If you really want to compare phones to cars, the iPhone is a BMW, it's still affordable to the middle class but that's about it. But the market is quite different than cars, by proportion and features the others you mentioned aren't luxury, they are exotic.

Along with the inappropriate image-conscious choice of materials, there is also the glowing Apple logo. It's a beacon to club members.

Apple just doesn't cater to the cost conscious consumer. Ikea does. They have $19 tables. There's absolutely no comparison in the Apple world, they don't even want to try to address that kind of market.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by dagw on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @10:35AM (#14645727)
the iPhone is a BMW

I don't know about the US, but here in Sweden you can get a brand new iPhone SE for $30-35/month on a contract. That, while not completely trivial money to many people, is very far from BMW territory.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by davidy123 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @10:54AM (#14645926)
I guess you don't understand people who don't have money (which isn't surprising considering you're in Sweden). To such people, $30 a month, $360 a year is not justifiable or sometimes attainable (for example having a contract plan). For some it's not the most rational decision, since their cheaper alternative may not last well or have shortcomings in its quality, but that's how people without money are forced to act, and saying they should have the mindset of someone who feels confident in long term choices is not realistic. For some, it really is the decision between having a "better" device (which is arguable, AR is one way Apple wants to avoid being part of a mature commodity market where everything basically just works), feeding or buying their children a gift, or some other more highly valued thing.

I would also like the point out the market reality, that while Apple dominates in some areas, primarily cheap Androids are the main element for these reasons, along with factors such as more expensive and proprietary accessories. This is because people make choices relevant to their situation.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by dagw on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @11:25AM (#14646232)
I get and agree with what you are saying. But we're still talking about people who can afford to go to IKEA and pick and choose among new sofas and kitchen counter tops. That is a relatively affluent group already.
Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by davidy123 on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @12:10PM (#14646684)
They really don't have any choice, and Ikea has some really cheap (in both senses of the word) items. Apple does not.
Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by the_duke on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @03:00AM (#14643029)
Sarcasm, right?
Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by santaclaus on Monday June 26, 2017 @07:08PM (#14641184)
> Apple is about premium end

Apple certainly has premium priced products, but they have been directly targeting mass market consumers since at least the original crazy colored iMac G3s.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by mandude on Monday June 26, 2017 @07:15PM (#14641223)
"Just the few"? I would say there are significantly fewer people with Tango enabled Android tablets than iPhones/iPads that ARKit can be run on.
Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by npunt on Tuesday June 27, 2017 @02:35AM (#14642965)
Yep, there are probably several thousand ARKit-compatible iPhones to every 1 Tango tablet in use out there. Tango's basically not a launched product, just a bunch of developer kits.
Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by bhouston on Monday June 26, 2017 @09:42PM (#14641952)
Ikea's AR catalog, which was released years ago, was based on metaio. So in a way Apple bought Ikea as a collaborator when they bought Metaio.
Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by lathiat on Monday June 26, 2017 @09:42PM (#14641949)
I may be skewed slightly because in Australia, Apple/iOS is overwhelmingly popular and is part of why we get first run of nearly every product even when the rest of that run is mostly only the USA.

But phone plans made otherwise expensive devices very affordable to even the average consumer, because the payments are deferred. That is also a model that was quite popular here in Australia before the iPhone, but I believe was a bit less common in the USA before the iPhone launch based on some other articles I read about that model basically being genius for launching the iPhone.

Re:Apple’s AR is closer to reality than Google’s by lowtolerance on Monday June 26, 2017 @06:59PM (#14641139)
Apple has sold iPhones to how many people? IKEA would be foolish to turn down such a potentially huge audience.