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Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by hyperion2010 on Monday June 19, 2017 @05:50PM (#14590722)
This is true even at a personal level. If you think you know why you act the way you do but you have never done an experiment to validate it you have a pretty good chance of being wrong. Even for simple things, like how fast you drive, is it the speedometer and you are looking at it, or is it how your engine sounds, and if turn up your music do you drive faster and is that because you are more aroused/excited, or is it because you can't actually hear how loud your engine is? Or maybe it is something else entirely.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by dwaltrip on Monday June 19, 2017 @08:45PM (#14591475)
Everyone is living in fairytale narratives that we spend decades crafting for ourselves. And doing so has some great benefits! But it is also can be very problematic at times.

I've been trying to figure out how to live while minimizing the extent of my personal fabricated narrative. It's a bit tricky... As with many things, I think basic awareness of the phenomenon is the first productive step.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by kingkawn on Monday June 19, 2017 @11:22PM (#14591968)
Why minimize your creative narrative instead of perfecting it? it seems that hewing toward a concept of objectivity only makes you a subject of the cultural whims of those who feel free to define it for themselves.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by ux-app on Monday June 19, 2017 @09:17PM (#14591576)
>I've been trying to figure out how to live while minimizing the extent of my personal fabricated narrative.

sounds interesting. Do you know of any suggested reading on the topic?

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by ingenuous2 on Monday June 19, 2017 @10:28PM (#14591793)
Over the last couple years, I've been exploring this. I can't provide any answers, but I've found all the usual recommendations useful. CBT, Watts, Stoicism, yoga, mindfulness.

Of those, the last -- mindfulness -- has been the most crucial.

I cannot usually control my reaction to stimulus, but the hardest part for me (and in others, now that I observe them) is the identification of the event trigger.

Once you identify what causes things to happen[0], it's much much much easier to adjust the behavior. The event notifier pattern has been most useful for me.

[0] after all, it's kind of ridiculous that a bad incident in traffic will affect my interaction with a colleague.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by sharkweek on Monday June 19, 2017 @11:41PM (#14592030)
Mindfulness, despite the recent buzzword-iness of it, has been an amazing tool for me. When I'm feeling any number of negative emotions (anger, anxiety, stress, etc.), or when my OCD flares up, it helps so much to simply pause, turn and face the emotion, address it, and say to myself "I am feeling this way because..." and calling out the trigger. It almost takes the teeth out of the negative feeling, making it pass a lot sooner.

Sounds a little hippy-dippy, sure, but for me it falls into the "it just works" bucket.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by nvarsj on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @03:54AM (#14592836)
Sounds like CBT! Other things I've found that help is more sleep, and less caffeine. It's not talked about much, but I'm convinced caffeine exacerbates the kind of negative emotions and anxiety that affect us perfectionists. I don't quite have the willpower to give it up, though.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by aktenlage on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @08:32AM (#14594064)
After very regularly drinking 1-3 cups of coffee per day for about 8 years, I stopped for the six weeks of this years fasting period. After a few days of headache and tiredness things normalized. I expected a big difference (whatsoever) but was underwhelmed. There might have been a positive effect of not drinking coffee, but I didn't notice anything significant.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by nf05papsjfVbc on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @06:52AM (#14593485)
I can not give up good coffee as long as I have access to good roasters and an espresso machine.

However, I will freely concede that caffeine does indeed seem to heighten feelings of anxiety. On days when something unpleasant is on my mind, it makes it worse.

On the other hand, it helps me start the day by doing something for myself - making good coffee. I enjoy the process and at the moment, making bad days worse is a price I gladly pay for it.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by kleer001 on Monday June 19, 2017 @10:23PM (#14591775)
5 dried grams of magic mushrooms. Or listen to 40+ hours of lectures from Alan Watts.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by ux-app on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @12:15AM (#14592150)
hehe thanks for the tip, but I don't trust my own psyche enough for those kinds of experiments, even though I'm deeply curious of what I'd experience.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by kleer001 on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @03:10PM (#14597530)
Listening to lectures is pretty benign and you can stop any time. And they're legal everywhere. Here's one to get your started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXvoYGrnuv8

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by myrandomcomment on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @02:00AM (#14592500)
Molly with friends.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by kleer001 on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @02:23PM (#14597122)
No, MDMA will give you exactly the opposite effect. It will encourage and cement connections to culture/s and social bonds. It just effects your serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine levels. What magic mushrooms (and other psychedelics like LSD) do is increase the communication between distant parts of the brain that don't normally communicate. That will lead you away from consensus reality, not deeper into it.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by vldx on Wednesday June 21, 2017 @11:13AM (#14604481)
Not necessarily. MDMA could potentially enable you loose any feeling of self-concern -- no fear, insecurity and self-consciousness; that feeling of being 5 year old on the Christmas morning.

This might be especially beneficial for someone who is communicating predominantly w/ machines since a kid, and who might have trouble empathizing or relating w/ people.

In this short video Sam Harris describes it very eloquently.

http://bigthink.com/think-tank/sam-harris-discusses-mdma-and...

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by lxmorj on Monday June 19, 2017 @10:44PM (#14591852)
5??????
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by ryanlol on Monday June 19, 2017 @11:05PM (#14591926)
You're right, 7 will work much better.

On a more serious note, look into 4-AcO-DMT. Essentially mushrooms without the unpleasantness of actually having to eat mushrooms.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by nojvek on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @01:57AM (#14592484)
How does one even get access to this?
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by ryanlol on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @07:45AM (#14593767)
Perhaps easier than the mushrooms, various "chemical supply companies" will sell it to you for "research" and not ask many question. There's a list of such companies on the "RCSources" subreddit wiki.

It's definitely a good idea to get any chemicals tested before consuming them. I doubt they'd intentionally send you the wrong chemical, but I guess shipping mixups could happen. Energy control runs an excellent testing service https://energycontrol-international.org/drug-testing-service...

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by baq on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @03:19AM (#14592741)
I'd try to Google a darknet Amazon.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by personomas on Monday June 19, 2017 @11:31PM (#14592001)
>> I've been trying to figure out how to live while minimizing the extent of my personal fabricated narrative.

> sounds interesting. Do you know of any suggested reading on the topic?

The Bible, there's no better. Jesus preaches and teaches truth, truth will erode this false fabricated narrative.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by ux-app on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @12:25AM (#14592193)
> truth will erode this false fabricated narrative.

ooh boy, that's a deep rabbit hole. I'm an atheist now, but I was raised in a deeply religious household (fundamentalist christian, family and entire social circle took the bible very seriously).

My experience is that everyone thinks they have the "truth", even though each sect's truth is mutually exclusive from all others (even though they all read from the same book). In addition I found that Jesus' teachings (mostly harmless, mostly obvious) didn't do much to "erode this false fabricated narrative", but rather layered over an additional set of narratives.

I never experienced any deeper insights than this despite a couple of decades worth of heavy indoctrination attempts.

I'm sure you mean well though, so I appreciate your comment.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by KGIII on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @06:25AM (#14593398)
Buddhist saying...

If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by 36bydesign on Monday June 19, 2017 @11:36PM (#14592018)
Minimize your personal fabricated narrative by abiding by a 2,000 year old fabricated narrative. Checks out.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by honestoHeminway on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @02:19AM (#14592557)
Well, lets say, you dont minimize it, you standardize it. Also christianity like all others martyrer religions (shia, judaism) has its benefits, as the usual mad inventor crowd in for some serious suffering before salvation, is part of the cultural accepted background.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by wvlia5 on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @12:45AM (#14592262)
Lol ;D
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by gaius on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @02:10PM (#14597001)
Right, this is like how prayer works. Not by the intervention of a deity but by forcing you to think through what you want and why you want it, thereby helping to create the mental preconditions for going about getting it. "God helps those who help themselves" in other words.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by Spearchucker on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @05:27AM (#14593172)
Do one thing at a time. Do it slowly and deliberately. Put space between things. Turn chores into meditating.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by Spearchucker on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @05:25AM (#14593161)
Not sure how (or when) it started, but I often catch myself asking why. Just that, about anything I might be doing - from being annoyed with my son to holding the door open for a janitor.

The answer is never just there, but it materialises a day, a month or year later.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by theseatoms on Monday June 19, 2017 @06:35PM (#14590958)
Not to mention major life decisions.
Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by andrei_says_ on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @01:41AM (#14592437)
I've been sitting with an Advaita teacher for a while.

One of the pointers is to observe one's own choices. I am still looking for this mythical free will thing people keep taking about.

Re:It’s Complicated: Unraveling the mystery of why people ac... by honestoHeminway on Tuesday June 20, 2017 @02:21AM (#14592561)
Oh, that was a translation error- if you medidate long enough you dont care about anything- you can do so naked. Thats when the free will... part comes into play.