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Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by pixelfeeder on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @10:39AM (#14445671)
Maker here. Side note: Took all the feedback from HN on my previous demo. Still working hard on a searchable database with a ton of curated newsletters. My goal is to make it easier for fellow creators to share their startup & side projects with thousands of potential customers. And to have newsletter owners monetise their emails. Creating a win-win situation for both sides.
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by estreeper on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @01:40PM (#14446997)
> Still working hard on a searchable database

This would be very valuable for us, because as far as I know there is essentially no systematic way to locate these. We have a product which is meant to be of use to many niche audiences, making them difficult to find. We are very early stage, and are just now getting some initial partners to work with and looking for ways to market the service to initial customers (in the thousands).

I would most prefer a marketplace where I would know up front how much it would cost to sponsor a newsletter. Without that, my concern would be friction in dealing with lots of small organizations directly, though we would still be willing to do this at our stage. If payments are happening through the site perhaps you would just take a cut, but alternately if this worked reasonably well and had a fair amount of newsletters for us to find, I would probably pay $10-15/month to use it.

Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by bluetwo on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @05:39PM (#14448754)
I think it's a nice idea. No doubt people need help with marketing here.

I'm a little fuzzy on the mechanics. If you focus on a couple quality offerings every week, won't those particular newsletters get inundated with requests?

Also, how do you plan on generating revenue?

Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by LukasRos on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:13AM (#14445913)
Promoting newsletter sponsorships as a vehicle for side project growth is a great idea. I think using an email newsletter itself is not the right format but looking forward to a searchable database.
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by pixelfeeder on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:15AM (#14445929)
The searchable database is the real product, but to protect myself from procrastinating on this I forced myself to launch quickly. Hence the v0.5 solution.
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by SyneRyder on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:46AM (#14446122)
So awesome. I was about to say the same about the searchable database, but I love this launch quickly / minimal viable approach. (I think I remember your previous iteration.) Still eager to follow this one!
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by LukasRos on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:19AM (#14445959)
Yes, I agree with that; MVPs and fast iteration!
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by garysieling on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @12:15PM (#14446343)
It is a good way to get newsletter owners to fill out their information
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by chrisfrantz on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @09:06PM (#14449816)
How do you plan to differentiate yourself against competitors like Paved? They already have a searchable database of newsletetters with open rates, CTR, etc.
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by lprubin on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:15AM (#14445932)
How will you validate active subscriber numbers so new buyers can ascertain the value of a particular newsletter?
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by pixelfeeder on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:18AM (#14445950)
Getting data (Open rate, CTR etc.) from a recent email campaign, should already give a good indication of the level of engagement each newsletter has.
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by lprubin on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @11:42AM (#14446106)
How are you going to get and verify that data on an ongoing basis at scale?
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by wastedhours on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @12:30PM (#14446477)
Not the OP, but how I'd do it: for a v1 there could be some manual outreach and take their word for it, v2 hook into the APIs any ESP provides (probably 2/3 of the big players for this should have outbound reporting APIs), and then the v3 would be a custom pixel that newsletter owners would integrate to be "featured" on the platform.

v4 could then offer manually created ad units, and v5 could be self serve.

Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by sah2ed on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @12:06PM (#14446273)
Scale is a nice problem to have but I think it is premature to be asking about that now when the business is just trying to get off the ground.

The project was previously featured under the name Mailman on HN [0].

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14107063

Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by lprubin on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @12:23PM (#14446408)
I'm still interested in knowing how they're going to do it even at the beginning. Are they going to request access to people's newsletter software for verification or are they just going to take people's word for it?
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by sah2ed on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @12:49PM (#14446610)
I would think that Upstart will evolve into a marketplace type of business where the onus is on the business (buyer) to do their due diligence before shelling out money to a newsletter (seller) in the hope of increasing their reach.

Of course if the feature of showing metrics (subscribers, open rates etc) proves to be popular enough they might consider ways to rank newsletters using metrics that are publicly verifiable or internal metrics from running Upstart after several months (that cannot be easily be gamed).

Hopefully @pixelfeeder will respond.

Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by lprubin on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @02:02PM (#14447173)
I'd be curious to know how one could do "due diligence" on the size and activity of a private email list. Does that mean contacting people who have advertised in that newsletter before and hoping they share with you their results?
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by sah2ed on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @02:52PM (#14447511)
Yes, emailing third parties for social proof is one way to go about it.

Then there's contacting the newsletter directly for proof of their actual numbers by making available current and previous month's screen shots of MailChimp campaign reports, for instance.

And as pixelfeeder mentioned, they'll also gather their own internal analytics based on how money changes hands on Upstart.

Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by pixelfeeder on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @12:59PM (#14446686)
Right now, it'll be a lot of manual effort, but you can imagine the data we'll be collecting along the way and eventually being able to rank newsletters and data based on a number of stuff. Including the experience of ad-buyers. With a variety of datapoints + an algorithm to make sense of it, we could eventually (hopefully) rank newsletters based on effectiveness. But I'm no were near that point, so first things first.
Re:Upstart – Find newsletters to promote your business or si... by lprubin on Tuesday May 30, 2017 @01:59PM (#14447154)
Thanks for the response. What does "manual effort" mean? Are you going to get access to their email software to verify? Or maybe they'll send you screenshots?