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Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by stinky613 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:04AM (#14316501)
Speaking of tech failings among airlines... Can anyone tell me what the hell the ticket scanning machines at the gate are doing? In the past week United sent a French woman 2,000 miles in the wrong direction; even though her flight had changed gates, when they scanned her ticket at the (now incorrect) gate it did a normal 'OK' beep and let her through. What in the world is the point of scanning scanning tickets at the gate if it isn't even checking to make sure the ticket matches the flight?
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by speedyapoc on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:24AM (#14316701)
Almost certainly human error.

Anecdotally, I had a standby ticket recently when my seat was reassigned to a paying customer, although I still had a boarding pass for that seat. I was halfway down the jet bridge before the gate agent realized that my ticket had been revoked.

I imagine it's second nature for gate agents to let passengers through, and one lapse in judgement can cause the United incident, despite the software showing that the ticket was invalid.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by lazyasciiart on Thursday May 11, 2017 @07:03PM (#14320236)
Multiple human errors. Once she was on the plane, she found (unsurprisingly) that her seat was taken. A steward on the plane looked at her boarding pass and found her another seat.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by thaumasiotes on Thursday May 11, 2017 @06:05PM (#14319899)
I bought a gift card at IKEA in Shanghai for 100 yuan once. Shortly afterward, I visited IKEA in Palo Alto and asked a cashier how much was on the card. She scanned it and reported a hundred dollars. I asked her to confirm that, which she did, and then she offered me a "receipt" of the scan, which I accepted.

The printout correctly showed that the card contained 100 CNY. I've thought of IKEA ever since as a store where the cash registers are smarter than the cashiers.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by Scoundreller on Thursday May 11, 2017 @09:19PM (#14320793)
Is the cashier "dumb" if their screen reported $100?
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by thaumasiotes on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:10PM (#14321140)
It didn't, though.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by seanmcdirmid on Thursday May 11, 2017 @10:14PM (#14320966)
I'm really surprised a Chinese bought IKEA card could be used in the USA anyways. These things usually rent transferable between countries.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by thaumasiotes on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:13PM (#14321151)
I can't guarantee that it was usable -- I didn't try to buy anything with it, and for IKEA US to sell to me in CNY they'd have to have an exchange rate set up -- but it was definitely readable.

On the other hand, when I asked the recipient (it was a wedding gift) about it later, he reported that his wife had recorded it as having an appropriate-given-the-exchange-rate quantity of USD, so I suspect it was in fact usable.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by seanmcdirmid on Friday May 12, 2017 @03:20AM (#14322044)
Strange. This is then a sure way around Chinese currency controls, given that the RMB isn't convertible.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by kalleboo on Friday May 12, 2017 @12:39AM (#14321481)
Interesting - the last time I tried to use their loyalty card ("IKEA Family"), it didn't work internationally.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by josemrb on Thursday May 11, 2017 @01:21PM (#14317743)
I've built a few systems for low-cost airlines in South America. There shouldn't be a lot of difference with bigger airlines around the world.

The boarding software usually checks that:

  - The boarding pass is valid (checksum)
  - The flight state is correct e.g. 'boarding' and 'open'
  - The passenger did check-in
  - The passenger haven't boarded yet
More advanced implementations can match the gate with the flight, this is optional.

The beep usually is a response from the reader indicating that the code has been read successfully.

The result of the operation is displayed in a screen and the attendant has to read it and act accordingly.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by kalleboo on Friday May 12, 2017 @12:46AM (#14321506)
> The beep usually is a response from the reader indicating that the code has been read successfully.

In Japanese domestic terminals, the gates are definitely more advanced - they play a different chime depending on your frequent flier status.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by kerryfalk on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:21AM (#14316678)
This is just a guess but I fly a _lot_ (~40 flights so far this year). My guess is that the software probably did its job, the gate agents are often just automotons and don't really check anything other than your boarding zone.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by freehunter on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:26AM (#14316735)
Even then, I often board with my coworkers who have higher status than me. If we're sitting next to each other and he's in group 2 but I'm in group 6, I'll generally board with him anyway and no one seems to care.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by pavel_lishin on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:52AM (#14316988)
The system may not be aware of something like boarding groups, especially since every airline does them differently.

It's entirely possible that the "check" is "is this boarding pass checksum valid.", especially given the stories of boarding wrong flights - it doesn't even flash red for "this is not the right pass for this flight".

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:28PM (#14317288)
Depends on an airline and maybe even airport, I guess.

Anecdotally, last time I was flying on a business to Germany with Lufthansa, my cow-orker did the Internet check-in for me without me knowing, and printed out the boarding passes. I later did the check-in for myself again, and picked a different seat. At the airport, the friend gave me the boarding pass he printed (with the old seat number), and so I thought, let's check if it still works on the scanners. I scanned it when boarding, and the scanner threw up an error that the seat on the pass does not agree with the one that's actually booked. I pulled the up-to-date boardin pass on my phone and continued on my way - but it seems that there is some actual checking being done, not just CRC.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by kerryfalk on Thursday May 11, 2017 @02:58PM (#14318592)
Higher status fliers are allowed to take guests with them into priority boarding. I do this frequently with friends and colleagues who don't fly much.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by qeternity on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:35AM (#14316826)
I have my friends do this when they travel with me. I tell them that if the gate agent says something, tell them you have a peanut allergy and need extra time to wipe the seat down. That line has worked every time.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by xaqfox on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:12PM (#14317161)
"tell them you have a peanut allergy and need extra time to wipe the seat" Another often overlooked travel tip is that you can park in handicap spaces to save walking 10 extra feet.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by TeMPOraL on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:30PM (#14317306)
A perfect example of a mild antisocial behaviour.

Makes me wonder if those are curable in humans, or are we doomed to forever not having nice things because of people acting this way?

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by kinkrtyavimoodh on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:15PM (#14317192)
Such abuse is why genuine, life-threatening allergies get trivialized in the public mind.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by ben_jones on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:12PM (#14317159)
That's not a life hack thats deliberately lying to someone whose job requires them to accommodate you to sometimes great degrees. Like not serving peanuts to those around you.
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Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by sctb on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:26PM (#14317274)
No matter what we're replying to, it's not OK to post like this.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by tyingq on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:08AM (#14316545)
That wouldn't be a global issue. Airlines each implement their own gate area boarding pass reader software.

So that's a airline specific design decision. It could be that for United, the beep indicates a valid boarding pass of any type, but a display shows the flight info...and the matching is manual.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by maxxxxx on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:22AM (#14316686)
I was wondering about that too. I once did the same thing. Went to gate 35A instead of 35B, scanned boarding pass, a person even looked at it. Nobody noticed until I saw the sign right above the door with the gate number so I turned around. What are they scanning and what are they looking at?
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by rhino369 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:34AM (#14316814)
This is second hand info, so I can't personally vouch. But I heard the scanners at gates with multiple jetways (for example 35 A and B) have software that is set up to accept tickets for both flights. Not sure why you would board both flights concurrently, but may that was a desired feature.

There is also likely a human error component. When you make someone manually scan 150 people they stop paying attention. They should have some kind of error message, but if it looks like other error messages (like the ask about emergency exit message), it's possible the human confused the error and cleared it.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by adam_gyroscope on Thursday May 11, 2017 @01:48PM (#14318019)
In some airports, airlines are essentially leasing gate space from the airport and any software the airline wants installed on the gate computer has to work in a very fixed set of constraints.

The shared gate agent computers are built from an industry-standard OS image (8 years or so ago this was Windows XP SP2, and not SP3, never SP3).

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by gregmac on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:55AM (#14317016)
This is why exceptional cases require exceptional responses, especially when a human that is going to get fatigued is involved.

Don't just beep the same way every scan beeps, make a different noise. Show a large red "STOP" sign on the screen along with the problem.

When you need to alert a human to an event that only happens once in every few hundred cases, you can't be subtle.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by douche on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:21PM (#14317239)
> When you make someone manually scan 150 people they stop paying attention

Bingo. This is not really a job that people, in general, are any good at. If there was an automated turnstile that didn't suck, that'd be a great place for one, so they could focus on the exceptional cases instead of being lulled to sleep by the happy path.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by nataz on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:50AM (#14316965)
My guess is that some planes can accommodate 2 jetways at once. One for first class/business, one for economy.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by rhino369 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:59AM (#14317059)
That is definitely true. 747's often have several.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by codegeek on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:25AM (#14316708)
Around 2005, they scanned my boarding pass and let me board a wrong flight. I didn't even check the gate properly as I was in a hurry but I found out only when I got to someone's seat asking him to leave because it was "my" seat.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by uxhacker on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:48PM (#14317463)
In Europe they are meant to check the name on the boarding pass against an id such as a passport.

I believe that the reader just shows your name.

I also think what the readers do is update the system to say that you are on that flight. This is for revenue reasons. Tickets can be issued by other airlines, and the revenue is not counted until you are on the flight.

Also in Europe the system matches you with your luggage. This is a security measure.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by pdelbarba on Thursday May 11, 2017 @01:20PM (#14317734)
It's also for manifest reasons. They need to have information on who and what is in the aircraft to calculate takeoff distance, power, flap settings, etc. and to account for everyone in the event of an accident or someone at CBP getting bored.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by mseebach on Thursday May 11, 2017 @01:14PM (#14317681)
I've was once "rejected" by the gate-machine when I accidentally gave them an old boarding pass - however, this was on EasyJet, an airline which actually runs on 21st century software.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by ska on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:27PM (#14317282)
Is the beep notifying "correct pass for this flight" or is it just notifying "code read successfully" and the agents job is to check that the ticket matches their flight?
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by lucaspiller on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:45PM (#14317433)
I changed my seat once after getting a boarding pass, and at the gate the scanner raised an error - so yes it does seem like there is some actual checking done.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by ska on Thursday May 11, 2017 @01:24PM (#14317789)
Interesting. This may also be region/carrier specific I suppose. I've seen some pretty old looking consoles in smaller airports.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by freehunter on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:20AM (#14316666)
Mistakes like that can happen, since it depends a lot on the gate agent to check the information, usually at the same time they're helping people gate-check their luggage or print new boarding passes or work with standby passengers. That's the reason every flight I've ever been on has the flight attendant say "This is a two hour flight to [city]. If [city] is not your destination, please disembark now".
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by lucaspiller on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:42PM (#14317410)
I was flying from Dublin once. They scan your ticket before security and at the gate, and use some sort of facial recognition to identify you in both places.

One woman was stopped as she entered the aircraft, as the attendent checking tickets saw that the flight on her ticket was for the day before!

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by javiramos on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:27AM (#14316752)
Funny- this exact same thing almost happened to my sister a ~week ago. She boarded the wrong airplane (although the scanner beeped without any errors). Luckily, after sitting in the plane for 5 minutes, she realized that she had boarded the wrong plane. Her flight had changed gates.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by caseysoftware on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:00PM (#14317066)
Which gets at the real question.. what is the scanner actually checking?

From the numerous comments here, it's not matching the boarding pass to the flight or gate. Is it just boarding group? Is it that "yes, this is a valid ticket" or something else entirely?

Seems like an easy way to "disappear" - basically book a fight going somewhere, look around until you find a flight with open seats (Southwest would be best as no assigned seating), and then... poof?

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by stinky613 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @01:17PM (#14317707)
> Which gets at the real question.. what is the scanner actually checking?

That's the question that's been nagging me since the day I read about this particular mistake. I wonder if there are any active public subreddits of airline workers; somewhere where I could hear a first-hand account of what those scanners are checking.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by dzdt on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:35PM (#14317343)
Cabin crew is supposed to do a headcount as well, so there is a good chance you get booted at that point.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by casta on Thursday May 11, 2017 @11:26AM (#14316728)
In my experience, when I tried to board the wrong flight, the scanner served its purpose making an alerting sound and making sure they'd prevent me from boarding on the wrong airplane.

This was with Delta (both my intended flight and the mistaken one.)

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by nhf on Thursday May 11, 2017 @10:38PM (#14321029)
Delta's IT is pretty decent for a large airline. Their scanners have little built in receipt printers. If you scan the wrong boarding pass (e.g. first leg of your flight boarding the second leg), it'll make the connection and pop out a little receipt telling you where to go. If your seat gets reassigned at the last minute or you get upgraded, you get a receipt giving your seat number.
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by joering2 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:32PM (#14317329)
Gates changes soo often it would be truly impossible to have the scanner check if you boarding correct plane. The mess would be disaster.

AFAIK, the scanner only checks "okay this is the airport you supposed to be inside within 48hours timeframe". That's all.

Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by stinky613 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @12:42PM (#14317413)
...and as the gates change the changes are reflected on screens displayed throughout the airport; it's not like the correct gate information is only stored in the minds of the employees working that day
Re:Air carriers are still failing people with disabilities by joering2 on Thursday May 11, 2017 @02:09PM (#14318195)
If you suggesting or thinking the screens are somewhat connected or talk with the same system that the gate scanners are running on, then that's incorrect. Totally separate rail.