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Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by pif on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:10AM (#14255304)
Why? What did he do, apart from letting the Greeks believe they could choose not to refund the debt?
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by andy_ppp on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:17AM (#14255360)
Morally it's on those who give out loans to make sure that they can be repaid. It's wrong that Greece took these huge loans as well, but also it's wrong to suggest that they have to pay them back. Everyone has the option to default when they are unable to pay and this was clearly the situation for Greece (and probably Spain and Italy, maybe even UK soon enough).
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by _pmf_ on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:37AM (#14255499)
Exactly. The (German) banks gambled on a bail out; I would not even call it a gamble, since the could be dead sure Schäuble would be standing at attention with the suitcases at the first sign of trouble.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by lmm on Thursday May 04, 2017 @04:40AM (#14263465)
Disagree. Default is something we allow out of grace, it shouldn't be treated as something you're entitled to.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by dragandj on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @02:42PM (#14258784)
And they ARE making sure the debt is going to be repaid.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by andy_ppp on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @03:20PM (#14259137)
Nope, they will almost certainly default on a large proportion of it.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by dragandj on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @04:12PM (#14259589)
That remains to be seen. Until now, it was quite the opposite.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by pvg on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:00AM (#14255665)
Morally it's on those who give out loans to make sure that they can be repaid.

Maybe when dealing with an unsophisticated or under-informed borrower which the sovereign states in question are not.

Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by andy_ppp on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:31AM (#14255957)
And you are proved wrong by the fact Greece's government clearly was (still is?) "an unsophisticated or under-informed borrower". I mean the outcome of this borrowing speaks for itself.

When I take out a loan a bank usually asks for collateral but these loans to Greece are unsecured and not worth paying back. The banking system should have been left to fail but instead we live in this world where governments bailed them out. Capitalism for the poor and Socialism for the rich.

Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by pvg on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:47AM (#14256112)
No, the fact someone takes out loans they can't repay doesn't 'prove' they don't understand the terms of the loan. I don't think any of the major actors in this look particularly great but it's not like the Greek government found a giant bag of money on their doorstep one day and nobody told them it came with terms.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by pm90 on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @03:35PM (#14259244)
Wait...what? The Greek govt. that took out the loans was incompetent, sure. But so were the lenders. Making a loan is taking a risk for both the lender and the receiver of the loan. It is in both of their interest to ensure that the loan will be repaid.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by RobertoG on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @02:00PM (#14258348)
So, I can lend money without worry and it always will be repaid?

And not only that, I will be morally right. What amazing times we live.

Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by pvg on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @02:37PM (#14258749)
I'm afraid I don't follow this trenchant rejoinder.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by gpvos on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:17AM (#14255359)
He made a good case that the creditors were culpable and therefore must release Greece from its debt.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by shkkmo on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:20AM (#14255382)
Varoufakis fought to find solutions that would allow Greece to actually be able to repay their debt. When that proved to be impossible, he refused to sit by and lend his name to a deal he didn't believe was in Greece or Europe's best interests.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by pif on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @10:18AM (#14255839)
> Varoufakis fought to find solutions that would allow Greece to actually be able to repay their debt.

Default is not a solution to repay a debt. You can choose to default, but you can't expect any credibility later. The message Varoufakis sent to Greeks was: "Let's just say we don't want to pay and everyone will forget about in a couple of years."

Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by atmosx on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @01:19PM (#14257909)
> The message Varoufakis sent to Greeks was: "Let's just say we don't want to pay and everyone will forget about in a couple of years."

The solution he proposed to the EU was rejected and the next day was applied by the letter on Ukraine.

Plus being accused of talking macro-economics on a Eurogroup should be like accused of liking basketball at an NBA playoff game. But then again, if the room is full of politician, who don't understand the first thing about economics and just blindly execute, that's what happens.

Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by hackermailman on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @11:59AM (#14256905)
Shredding the paper debt and defaulting has worked before for Mexico, Argentina and Solon of Athens.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by dnautics on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @11:23AM (#14256467)
Default is a solution if you have a plan to not ever incur sovereign debt. This however is impossible with neoliberal social state governing models.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by atmosx on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @01:21PM (#14257930)
Nope, history says otherwise. As long as the debt stands Greece will not be able to get any financing exactly because it's assured that it will not be repaid.

The only way to get financing is by debt restructuring. It has happened time and again. You'd be amazed how many countries defaulted the last century. I think Germany defaulted twice.

Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by pm90 on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @03:40PM (#14259298)
Yeah, I just don't understand how so many people fail to see the most obvious solution: default and stop paying interest. Sure, you're credibility will be lost for now, but then you can slowly build it back up again since you're no longer burdened with paying back the defaulted loans. Its not magical: as it currently stands, Greek economy is going to die a slow protracted death anyways.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by candiodari on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:16AM (#14255352)
Well he fell on his blade when it became clear Greece wasn't going to default.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by emptyfile on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:20AM (#14255379)
So quitting politics, in fact retiring, in fact bailing on Greece, to write books and give interviews to Sky is enough to make him an hero to Europe's working class?
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by sgift on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:39AM (#14255512)
> in fact bailing on Greece

When politicians stay it's always "bah, bah, no one ever takes responsibility". Now, someone took responsibility and it's "bailing on Greece".

Yeah. Sure.

Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by pweissbrod on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @11:24AM (#14256474)
Its a fascinating theme I see repeating in political news:

* Jah-Rule on fyre festival: "this is not by fault but I take full responsibility"

* Hillary Clinton on losing election: "this is misogyny and fake news fault but I take full responsibility"

* Heather Bresch on Mylan price gouging: "The real fault is in the supply chain but I take full responsibility"

Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by ferongr on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @09:45AM (#14255547)
What kind of responsibility did V-man take? He retired to an academic's cushy life of traveling around the world giving lectures and writing.
Re:Review of “Adults in the Room” by Yanis Varoufakis by atmosx on Wednesday May 03, 2017 @01:15PM (#14257857)
He resigned the night of the referendum, when he understood that the government is going to capitulate. Maybe in some countries that's nothing special - as it should be. When you're not on the same page with what the government does, you retire and let someone else who believes in the solution, implement it and then pay the piper.

In Greece, I know of NO politician in 50 years, who retired promptly when his views and gov's views stopped being aligned.

So regarding Greece, that's a huge deal and gives him alone more credibility that the last 10 Greek governments put together.