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Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by tomkinstinch on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @10:48AM (#14139238)
The price differences between domestic and international medicines can be truly outrageous. I just got back from a work trip to a hospital in Sierra Leone, where the anthelmintic medicine Albendazole costs the equivalent of $1 USD at a private pharmacy (or even less if you don't care about packaging). The same treatment in the US (a single dose) cost me $430 USD (before insurance). This medicine is out of patent; the R&D costs have been recovered. There's no reason for it to cost as much as is does in the US, apart from greed. It's more of a niche drug in the US than it is in sub-Saharan Africa, but it is shelf stable unlike say the antibodies of an immunotherapy, or the rabies vaccine, so it's not perishable. I trust the purity of the US version more than the version sold internationally, but that is probably an irrational fear. Even with added costs of laboratory purity testing and import tariffs, those in the US would still be better off if we could import drugs from overseas.

Some medicines are expensive for a reason: they're new and need to have R&D (and FDA) costs recovered (this is why we have patents), they have niche use and are produced in small quantities (cancer immunotherapies), they're perishable (biologicals), or all three. Many others are expensive because we have no regulatory protections against price gouging. Epi-Pens are another example. A 1mL vial of epinephrine costs ~$5, and the syringe to inject it costs pennies. Auto-injectors add some value, but not the $700 Mylan charges. They're fundamentally a pre-filled syringe a spring, and an injection molded case.

I wonder what the system would look like if we granted longer pharmaceutical patents (say, 30 years), with the change that upon expiration of the patents medicines would be produced by the government and sold at cost (or provided for free).

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by ams6110 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:05AM (#14139393)
> There's no reason for it to cost as much as is does in the US, apart from greed.

The reason is people don't "pay" for it. Insurance does, and so nobody cares.

Edit: Well, the insurance companies should care, but if it's something that's rarely prescribed, it might be easier to just pay the claim instead of devoting people to negotiating a lower price.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by HarryHirsch on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:18AM (#14139523)
In normal countries they have price controls. That approach works extremely well, in fact so well that price controls on pharmaceuticals in America are politically unworkable.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by ikeboy on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:22AM (#14139560)
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by HarryHirsch on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:28AM (#14139634)
The vultures that trade in small-volume generics do innovation now? Turing and Valeant do R&D?!

The bigger issue is the financing model that causes innovation to happen in all the wrong fields, but that is a different question and very complex.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:35AM (#14139716)
"Normal" countries also contribute very little to global pharma R&D.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by _jal on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:52AM (#14139851)
I don't know the parent's goals in trotting that out, but in general, I love how often this line is used as a defense of the "free market" in drugs.

Aside from the military[1], in what other categories of product do those waving that banner support mandatory payments to private entities supporting their preferred agenda[2]?

Never mind that the military is the best comparison to drugs in terms of regulation - the only products less "free-market" in the US than drugs are military weapons. In a way, there's a funny symmetry there.

[1] A huge amount of that money goes directly to private firms, just like pharma payments.

[2] Well, I guess one can opt out of medical care.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by swsieber on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:58AM (#14139902)
I'm not even sure you can call it "free market" because of the distortions that patents bring into it...
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by rayiner on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:07PM (#14139973)
Patents distort what would happen in the absence of patents, but so does every other kind of property right. Markets in the absence of patents exhibit free rider effects, which are themselves undermine market efficiency.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by theseatoms on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:17PM (#14140073)
The free rider effects you're referring to are exacerbated by how arduous the FDA approval process is.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:11PM (#14140010)
I'm not defending a free market in drugs. I actually don't believe such a thing can exist. I'm simply observing the price board does what almost all price boards do: maximizing short-term political gains. It's a response to parent pretending a complex discussion has one true answer.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by HarryHirsch on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:51PM (#14140437)
In Europe price controls have been in place since the War, if not earlier, and the pharma industry in Germany, France, Belgium, Switzerland and the UK did extremely well until the 1980s.

Pfizer opened their Sandwich site in 1954 and when they closed it in 2011 it wasn't because of the NHS.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by ksk on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @02:09PM (#14141296)
Pharma takes from publicly funded research (globally) and then turns around and milks the public while lining their own pockets. I work tangentially in the pharma world, and much of the complicated biochemistry, assays, fermentation protocols etc have been figured out at universities. The value that Pharma companies' R&D brings in, is primarily in jacking up the downstream product yield so they can make money, and sometimes, lower costs.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by refurb on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @04:05PM (#14142386)
Having worked in the industry, this is widly inaccurate. First off, a majority of drug discovered (~80%) are discovered by private companies.[1]

Of the 252 drugs approved from '97 to '05... 58% from pharmaceutical companies, 18% from biotech companies, 16% from universities, transferred to biotech 8% from universities, transferred to pharma

Second of all, discovering a drug gets you about 1/4 of the way to an approved, marketed drug. Typically the breakdown between research and development costs are 1/3 and 2/3. No academic institutions do the development part, where most of the cost is.

[1]http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2010/11/04/whe...

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by louithethrid on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @04:23PM (#14142547)
Oh, those discovered drugs. They are discovered like bathsalts are- glue a molecule here and there to a know compound, renew the patent.

I want to know how the R&D looks for compound group discovery. Everything else is just repackaging with a chemistry kit.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by refurb on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @08:57PM (#14144559)
Since you didn't bother to read the article, let me summarize it for you:

118 of the drugs during this period were considered to have scientific novelty (46%), and of those: 44% were from pharmaceutical companies. 25% were from biotech companies, and 31% were from universities (transferred to either biotech or pharma)

Of the 118 scientifically novel drugs (new MOA, etc), 69% were NOT from academia. That is, academia has zero to do with the discovery all the way up to the approval of the drug.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by ksk on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @02:03AM (#14145796)
>That is, academia has zero to do with the discovery all the way up to the approval of the drug.

Please don't insult our intelligence.The context for this discussion is about greedy companies using existing research for free and contributing nothing back. The linked article doesn't show which scientific research contributed to the product development. Universities are not all primarily engaged in drug discovery.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by refurb on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @11:14PM (#14153631)
The article show where the drug was discovered. And as I mentioned, almost 80% were discovered by a private company.

Now, if you'd like to claim that that discovery was based on science paid for by the gov't, I won't disagree, but continuing that line of thought we could claim that drug companies are greedy because they are taking advantage of organic chemists who did work 200 years ago.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by louithethrid on Saturday April 22, 2017 @02:50AM (#14171415)
The problem is that they have no incentive to actually cure. And near not incentive to provide cheap medication- which the patent system incentives you too, by running out after x Years. (Unless you are a frozzen Princess aka Disney) Lots of diseases are only researched at universitys. They have however a incentive, to sell anything expensive, to a audience desperate (that alone is a free market killer). And they do. I just try to understand how one can defend a held-hostage situation with free market rethoric.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by ksk on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @04:39PM (#14142691)
That has nothing to do with what I'm saying. OF COURSE the Pharmas spend money on product development. They can't expect that for free too!! They already benefit a lot from publicly funded R&D, and contribute very little back in terms of pure science R&D. I work in vaccine automation and lemme tell you, the secret sauce to getting high yield ain't leaving the company.. ever.

>No academic institutions do the development part, where most of the cost is.

Because they got for free all of the decades of scientific research.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by refurb on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @09:00PM (#14144580)
Because they got for free all of the decades of scientific research.

Yes, the scientific research that cost maybe 1% of the total cost of bringing the drug to market. Makes sense that the company should share some of the wealth.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by ksk on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:57AM (#14145774)
Incorrect. They contribute _zero_ to our understanding of science. Its easier to build a bridge after someone else has already figured out what does and doesn't work. I don't blame them completely for using public domain information since there is no point reinventing the wheel. But after they've built their company on the backs of taxpayers who funded the research, we'd be fine if they just said thank-you and went on their way, instead of turning back and gouging everyone.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by refurb on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @11:17PM (#14153648)
They contribute _zero_ to our understanding of science.

I definitely disagree here. There has been plenty of basic science discovered at private companies. I do agree they are hesitant to share it, but that's doesn't mean it doesn't happen. A great example of the Upjohn dihydroxylation reaction. Discovered at Upjohn Pharmaceuticals, freely disseminated through journal publications and now a key technology in organic synthesis.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by corford on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:28PM (#14140190)
The UK contributes quite a bit yet the NHS has price controls.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by maxerickson on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:38AM (#14139743)
How much are US generics contributing to R&D?
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by mistercow on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @07:20PM (#14143968)
> Well, the insurance companies should care

I'm not sure they "should", at least from a financial standpoint. The ACA basically put a cap on insurance company profits, as a percentage. It's not phrased quite that way, but it's the upshot (look up "medical loss ratio"). This is the worst provision I know of in the ACA, because it sounds like a nice idea, but if you think it through, it actually disincentivizes insurance companies from doing what they can to lower costs.

It basically says that the maximum amount that insurance companies can keep is 20% of premiums (assuming no administrative cost or other overhead). Say the average cost per person is $4000 / year, so the average premium is $5000 / year; they're able to make a $1000 profit, or 20% of the premium. Now suppose the insurance company negotiates costs down to $3000 per year. Well, the maximum premium they can charge now is $3750, so they lose 25% of their profit. On the other hand, if they sit by and let costs skyrocket to $6000, they can raise premiums to $7500, and make $1500 in profit.

Now, of course insurance companies also compete on their premiums, so in theory, they still have some incentive to negotiate lower costs. But it seems like that must be seriously mitigated by the profit cap.

I'm not an expert on this by any means, so if someone who is wants to set me straight, I'd love to hear it. But I'm just very confused as to why this provision was thought to be a good idea.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by bobwaycott on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @09:02PM (#14144593)
I'd need to go digging through old talking points, but this always seemed obvious to me as a provision added for the sheer political calculus/motivation that it sounds good to people. It's just an easy sell—we're going to cap the percentage of profits focuses the attention away from the real cost side effects, and the ability to increase profits by not reducing costs exactly as you described.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by mmjaa on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:06AM (#14139417)
Who pays for insurance? (Hint: its you and me, buddy.)
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by cmdrfred on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:56AM (#14139875)
A lot of those costs are taken indirectly via suppressed wages as many people get insurance via employment. It seems to me that a great deal of effort goes into hiding the costs of services and products from those who are paying them in this market.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by zulln on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:53PM (#14140457)
Yes, but the point is if regular people was faced directly with the cost people would be angry, when hidden by insurance cost it is not made as clear.

You expect the masses to think one step further, which will not happen on enough scale.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by credit_guy on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @06:04AM (#14146649)
Insurance companies don't care, period. If they somehow lose money one year, they raise the premiums next year. They don't even need to lose money. If their payments go up, they show that to their regulators, who allow them to charge us higher prices. And since the regulators allow them to have a certain profit margin, actually the insurance companies have the economic incentive to pay more.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by joering2 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:51PM (#14141107)
What truly upsets me is that not a single politician really knows or wants to see how to fix healthcare!

Right now its like pulling a rope - we keep Obamacare at cost of billions of dollars, or we lose it at cost of millions lives affected, eventually.

Meanwhile big pharma thrives and examples like yours prove how corrupted US system is!

I'm still waiting for one single politician (not its not Trump) to actually start fixing healthcare from the bottom up! Fix the cost of drugs, therapies, etc, and all of sudden we need 1/10,000th of the initial costs.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by rhizome on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @02:04PM (#14141246)
Lots of people are working on this, but there are also lots of moving parts. It sounds like you know how large the health industry is, do you have any idea how hard it is to change a multi-trillion dollar market?

Evergreen suggested reading: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2009/04/have-you-ever-legali...

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by joering2 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @02:49PM (#14141696)
okay I guess in this case since its such a big issue, let's leave it like it is and add another 10 trillion in debt because we need to pay 400x what other countries pay for the same drug.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by rhizome on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @06:43PM (#14143693)
Fallacy of the excluded middle, man. There's other options.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by HarryHirsch on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @10:56AM (#14139308)
You'd expect just that to happen. The domestic market for human-rated albendazole is so small that it will sustain just one manufacturer, it's effectively a monopoly, and the monopolist can set prices to whatever he wants. We know what to do in such a situation (turn the monopolist into a regulated utility), but the current political climate won't permit this action.

See the vet, get fenbendazole for huge dogs.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by devoply on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @10:59AM (#14139343)
This sort of rhetoric might work, but it doesn't in the face of Indian manufacturers who can easily be certified who will produce it for $1 and ship it to you the next day for $1 more. It's simply regulatory capture and a way of printing free money for people who already have money so they can rob the masses who don't. It's a scam, and it's stupid that we fall for it. The rich do get richer, and not for any other reason then they have money to affect regulatory capture. Generics should be nearly free. There is no reason for anyone to be making such large sized gains on generics.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by refurb on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:31AM (#14139663)
This is why we don't want to import drugs from India:

Thakur knew the drugs weren’t good. They had high impurities, degraded easily, and would be useless at best in hot, humid conditions. They would be taken by the world’s poorest patients in sub-Saharan Africa, who had almost no medical infrastructure and no recourse for complaints. The injustice made him livid. Ranbaxy executives didn’t care, says Kathy Spreen, and made little effort to conceal it. In a conference call with a dozen company executives, one brushed aside her fears about the quality of the AIDS medicine Ranbaxy was supplying for Africa. “Who cares?” he said, according to Spreen. “It’s just blacks dying.”[1]

[1]http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2013/05/17/a_l...

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by HarryHirsch on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:35AM (#14139719)
This link has some pretty hair-raisers: http://chemjobber.blogspot.com/search/label/warning%20letter...

Everyone loves to hate on the FDA until there's a compounding pharmacy that really messes up. A couple of years ago there was one that distributed some medication for injection that had a fungal contaminant, and there were several dozens of fatalities. You'd ask yourself what would happen without adult supervision.

This is the full story: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England_Compounding_Center...

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by _jal on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:56AM (#14139876)
And yet somehow the US imports mind-boggling quantities of other things we put in our bodies at safety standards that appear to generate no controversy whatsoever.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by cmdrfred on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:04PM (#14139958)
That's why you don't want to import from India. I do personally for my medications. I'm willing to risk it for drastically lower costs.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by devoply on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @02:43PM (#14141623)
One company is one company. There is no reason to think that India can not produce drugs up to par with the right financial and oversight incentive.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by refurb on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @09:26PM (#14144701)
Take a look at home many Indian drug manufacturers have had import bans slapped on them by the FDA. It isn't just one company.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by lenkite on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @12:09PM (#14148799)
There are 74 US FDA-approved manufacturing facilities in India, more than in any other country outside the U.S. (This I believe has increased further over the last year)
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by devoply on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:16AM (#14145603)
The point being there are or is at least one Indian drug company that exports to the that is not been censured by the FDA.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by rayiner on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:26AM (#14139608)
What's stopping generics from being "nearly free" in the U.S.? Why do we need to import them from India?
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by chimeracoder on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:29PM (#14140193)
> What's stopping generics from being "nearly free" in the U.S.? Why do we need to import them from India?

Pay-to-delay is a big one. https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/media-resources/mergers-comp...

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by lenkite on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @12:04PM (#14148734)
Ranbaxy has been banned by the FDA for one thing or another for a long time now. Please use FDA approved Indian manufacturers. There are several dozens of them.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by _jal on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:57AM (#14139890)
Sounds like textbook comparative advantage, and in any sane market, imports would be about as controversial as paint drying.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by chimeracoder on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @03:43PM (#14142215)
> Sounds like textbook comparative advantage, and in any sane market, imports would be about as controversial as paint drying.

This isn't comparative advantage, especially since we're often times talking about reimporting drugs (both brand-name and generics) that were manufactured in the US, but sold abroad for cheaper prices. The article doesn't make that very clear, and I wish it did, because it's an important distinction.

But your point is spot on - from a free market standpoint, this is a no-brainer. There is literally no reason to prevent US patients from buying drugs that were manufactured in the US from Canadian or European wholesalers. Except, of course, that this is a massive source of profit for pharmaceutical companies.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by _jal on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @08:58AM (#14147361)
It may be a regulatory ("artificial") advantage, but I'd still count it as a comparative advantage.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by antisthenes on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @06:37PM (#14143651)
> We know what to do in such a situation (turn the monopolist into a regulated utility), but the current political climate won't permit this action.

Or, guarantee single payer and become a monopsony, thus combating the monopoly effects with an opposite market force.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by rayiner on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:25AM (#14139591)
> This medicine is out of patent; the R&D costs have been recovered. There's no reason for it to cost as much as is does in the US, apart from greed.

So apparently this medicine is used for treating parasitic worm infections, which I imagine is a vanishingly small market in the United States. That means that the costs of tooling up to produce the drug (and producing it to the standards of safety and purity demanded of any medicine produced in the U.S.) must be amortized over a tiny population of customers.

To make a comparison: a commercial Common Lisp IDE runs nearly $1,000 for a hobbyist edition, while you can get professional versions Clion or Jetbrains for $100-400. But there's no patent or other protections limiting competition in the development tools industry. It's simply the economics of making a product that caters to a tiny niche of potential customers.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by chimeracoder on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:57AM (#14139892)
> So apparently this medicine is used for treating parasitic worm infections, which I imagine is a vanishingly small market in the United States.

It's incredibly common in veterinary medicine in the US.

Veterinary pharmaceuticals are oftentimes (though not always) manufactured in the same plants. Sometimes the inactive ingredients are not safe for human consumption, so that doesn't mean that you can always just take veterinary drugs safely, but sometimes (particularly in the case of antibiotics), they are literally manufactured on the same lines, and are simply packaged and distributed differently.

Given the massive difference in price between albendazole for humans and albendazole for animals, I'm willing to bet that this is another attempt at market segmentation (which we already know is rampant in the US pharmaceutical industry - that's how they make their global profits!), rather than a real necessity of the scale.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by johnchristopher on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:14PM (#14140043)
Even so, 430 times the lowest price shows how distorted the market is.

Unless it's okay because we can rationalize it as "it helps make the product accessible to poorer countries".

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by briandear on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:42PM (#14141018)
The US price subsidizes the Sierra Leon price. You also don't have multi-million dollar lawsuits in Sierra Leon.

Want to lower drug prices? Enact tort reform.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by sbov on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:57PM (#14141178)
Texas has tried pretty much every piece of trope certain political parties like to trot out to "fix" medical care, including tort reform. It hasn't done a damn thing.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by tasty_freeze on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @10:47PM (#14145074)
What percent of, say, Merck's annual budget goes towards paying out due to court cases they have lost where tort reform might make a difference? (I mean, ignore any lawsuits surrounding business practices, or from a competitor) Or pick any other pharma giant.

I tried to google it myself but didn't find anything clear on the matter.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by summarite on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @03:21PM (#14142022)
What nonsense. It's out of patent. There's no cost anymore except production and distribution. It's not a matter of recovering costs anymore, it's an oligopoly fixing the prices.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by unethical_ban on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:24PM (#14140805)
Then perhaps we should look at the benfits of having such rigorous purity standards, if it makes drug prices 10000% higher than in other markets that have wider use.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by maxerickson on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:33AM (#14139690)
It'd be really interesting to see their actual costs for whatever run size is justified by the US market (and some ancillary information like how much they throw away to keep the supply fresh and so on).
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by wheaties on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:20PM (#14140097)
Since my wife works in pre-fills and other things I can tell you for a fact that you still have to go through FDA approval. If you change something slightly, you go through approval. There are often clinical trials if the change is not incremental, sometimes even if it is. Change the packaging? FDA review. Change the color of the label? FDA approval. Change suppliers? FDA review.

So yes, the syringe and container themselves don't cost that much on a per unit basis (no clue but it's not nothing.) The regulatory costs are astronomical and have to be paid for over time. The general inanity of this stuff is mind boggling. The amount of paperwork insane.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by maxerickson on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:34PM (#14140244)
Mylan has a patent on some minor improvement to Epipens. So it isn't just the FDA, they pushed generics off the market.

Mylan flat out admitted that costs aren't any more than $150 per pen when they launched a generic version of their own branded product. Everything above that is clearly them working to get as much price differentiation as possible.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by pc86 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:46PM (#14140390)
So why not sell Epipens without those minor, patented improvements for $20? Surely if there's profit to be made another provider would come in and destroy the $700 marginally better Epipen market.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by maxerickson on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:00PM (#14140519)
I don't know why there weren't more competitors. Apparently part of it is that it is difficult to get right. Adrenaclick generics have been on the market much of that time for $150 or less.

One thing though, they would be epinephrine auto injectors, not Epipens, that's one of the things the patent did, it made it so that a prescription for Epipen could only be filled with Mylan's product.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by finid on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @06:07PM (#14143435)
If you happen to be in NYC (USA), stop by any major Chinese grocery store in Flushing, Queens. You'll find albendazole and other anthelmintics for about $10/pack.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by wereHamster on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:23AM (#14139568)
> The wholesale cost in the developing world is between 0.01 and 0.06 USD per dose. In the United States, however, it is very expensive as of 2015 at about 201 USD per dose.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albendazole

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by frost_knight on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @11:36AM (#14139728)
I volunteer at a rabbit shelter, and have performed rabbit care for years.

Albendazole is used to counter a rabbit parasite called E. Cuniculi. A complete 30-day Albendazole regimen, for a rabbit, is about $40.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by briandear on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:44PM (#14141029)
Rabbits don't sue you if they are harmed.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by xenadu02 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @02:50PM (#14141706)
Several states have passed tort reform laws, including Texas. It hasn't made any difference.

The big pharma players spend more on marketing than R&D. The smaller players like Mylan specifically try to find niche drugs so they can buy the rights and jack the prices. It's pure rent-extraction and a drain on our healthcare system and economy.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by overcast on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @04:30PM (#14142622)
Spent a month in India last year, about two weeks in got the Delhi Belly. Doctor visit + drugs = $8.
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by walshemj on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @03:38PM (#14142167)
There is wide spread counterfeiting of drugs are you sure you where getting 100% Albendazole ?
Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by bigtimeidiot on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:39PM (#14140983)
>This medicine is out of patent; the R&D costs have been recovered.

Do you think the financial analysis involved with a new drug stops at "costs recovered"? Why should it?

I find it completely bizarre that, instead of getting behind the fact that the US is essentially subsidizing drugs for the 3rd world, people think rich first worlders should be paying sub-Saharan rates.

Re:Nonprofit Working to Block Drug Imports Has Ties to Pharm... by ksk on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @02:04PM (#14141248)
>instead of getting behind the fact that the US is essentially subsidizing drugs for the 3rd world,

Could you explain more about what makes it a "fact" ?