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Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by harry8 on Monday April 17, 2017 @11:45PM (#14136296)
Curating your own newspaper and never even tweeting once yourself is a compelling, amazing and totally underrated use of Twitter. Any issue of particular interest to you, follow as many of the key players and observers who tweet and get all the important stories, not just one newspaper's. And all the reaction to those stories. It is only for adults who are capable of assessing a source. If that's you it's amazing. The brevity is it's strength.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by wsc981 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:41AM (#14136532)
I use Twitter mainly for the news, since Twitter enables me to get a much more complete picture of events compared to traditional media. But it took me a long time to really grasp that I could use Twitter in this way. Initially I just followed some work colleagues when I had to create a Twitter account as employee of a company I worked at. Otherwise I would have probably never created a Twitter account as I just didn't see the purpose.

I think one of the biggest challenges for Twitter is on-boarding new users.

With regards to the platform itself: it would be nice if Twitter would had some sort of article quoting mechanism. It's not uncommon to see a Tweet with text from an online article included as a picture. I also do this myself sometimes, since it seems to me people are more eager to click a link if they get a much better grasp the linked content and 140 characters is just too little for this purpose.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by theinternetman on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @08:45AM (#14138338)
>I think one of the biggest challenges for Twitter is on-boarding new users.

This is worse than ever, they invest most of their effort in getting you to follow their cherry picked celeb users for your country. Then they spend the rest of their effort trying to ban you.

- Don't give us an email > account locked

- Don't give us a phone number > account locked

- Don't change your egg avatar > shadow banned

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by manigandham on Friday April 21, 2017 @03:45PM (#14168802)
If you're a new user that they know nothing about, then recommending the "popular" users from your region is a good default option.

Also they don't lock out your account because of a lack of an email or phone number - you just need 1 of those to signup.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by CoolGuySteve on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:09PM (#14139996)
It would be nice if Twitter had something equivalent to multireddits, where different follows could be attributed to different tabs on an account. Then I could have one tab for news, one tab for comedians, one tab for math/programming stuff, etc.

From there it follows that Twitter might prepopulate a few tabs with News, Entertainment, Video Games, etc. for new users the same way reddit does a default front page.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by criddell on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:30PM (#14140208)
Can't you do that with Tweetdeck? I have a column for friends, a column for news, a column for tech, and a column for people I follow but are very noisy (ie people that would end up dominating one of the other columns).
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by manigandham on Friday April 21, 2017 @03:46PM (#14168812)
Tweetdeck should really be twitter's default UI. Simplify for new people but keep all the functionality.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by elechi on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @09:18AM (#14147459)
Isn't that what the lists for? You can make your own list of twitter accounts to follow for certain topics.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by manigandham on Friday April 21, 2017 @03:47PM (#14168822)
Yes but twitter handles lists poorly - barely any UI or workflow around making lists easy to use and browse. Most new users dont know anything about lists or how to use them.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by ci5er on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @05:24PM (#14143067)
> when I had to create a Twitter account as [an] employee of a company I worked at.

How does that work? Were you in social marketing? If not, a term-of-the-employment-agreement required this? If the latter, that's the most horrendous thing I've heard today (other than, you know, assault, rape, murder, mayhem, and war)

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by wsc981 on Wednesday April 19, 2017 @01:27AM (#14145646)
I can't remember exactly the context, but there was a new website up for the company and they wanted to add employee profiles to the website. I don't believe I was forced to create a Twitter profile, but somehow I was inclined to do it anyway.

I would think this functionality is removed from the site by now. After all, employees might state things on their personal Twitter profile that the company does not agree with.

These days I try to keep my Twitter account more or less anonymous, so I can be free to say the things I believe or want to say. I make sure my Twitter account can not be linked to my LinkedIn / StackOverflow / Github profiles.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by chrisan on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @06:16AM (#14137573)
> The brevity is it's strength.

My problem with twitter is exactly the opposite. Each tweet might be brief, but there are _so many_ tweets to scroll through, multiple sources as they can repeat themselves or retweet. Then you add in _personal stuff_ that gets thrown in from these key players adding more noise.

I just don't have time nor willing to put in the "effort" to make twitter work. It is just not worth it to me to be on the cusp of breaking news vs being slightly behind with a curated reddit. Even better is making use of multiple focused multireddits like:

/me/m/code/, /me/m/sports/, /me/m/games/, /me/m/news/.

To me, that is true brevity in my goal of getting a glance at current events in my fields of interest.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by digi_owl on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @09:34AM (#14138658)
Funny thing is that third parties provided the equivalent of multireddits back in the day, by parsing the stream and sorting them into columns, and Twitter eventually introduced lists.

But all this has since languished, as neither their site nor their official apps makes it easy to show lists.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by tkxxx7 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @03:23PM (#14142031)
Luckily Echofon gives lists the precedence they deserve. Been with it a few years now.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by jsz0 on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:59AM (#14136800)
When I have tried to do this in the past major news events blew up my feed with many pages of similar articles which totally drowned out everything else I have no clue if the right way to use Twitter is to follow a ton of people or very few. If it's very few I don't see the point. I can just goto the sites directly and not have to deal with the wall of noise. My impression of how Twitter works is similar to reading a huge forum thread backwards. So instead of reading oldest to newest it's newest to oldest. Is that fair to say? Maybe I am using it wrong?. Did I change a setting years ago that had some terrible unintended consequence? Is this how Twitter works for everyone else?
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by jobigoud on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @03:01AM (#14136986)
On the mobile app it will show the feed where you left it and you read it upward to catch up in chronological order.

For me I follow about 30 ppl and remove the too talkative ones inorder for the feed to stay manageable and provide the right amount of signal. That's about 10-20 tweets/day. I think people that follow a lot of accounts must use lists or something else.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by matwood on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @10:12AM (#14138936)
> I think people that follow a lot of accounts must use lists or something else.

What I have done is use Twitter as a real time newsfeed, and do not read all the tweets I missed. I open twitter and look at the current tweets, possibly scrolling back a few hours. If I missed something, who cares. If it was important it will likely show up here or some other aggregating new site I frequent.

Twitter is also great for real-time reactions when watching an event on TV. It's akin to people watching the Super Bowl for the commercials. For some shows, the tweets are better than the show and offer an additional level of entertainment.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by elmar on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @09:35AM (#14138660)
if you follow more than 100 accounts you have to use lists, you can even build lists without following the underlying accounts.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by aaron-lebo on Monday April 17, 2017 @11:55PM (#14136354)
Just about any story about Twitter mixes people who don't get it and then people who rave about it.

Perhaps it's just a different way of getting news. If there's a topic that is interesting, it's much easier to find a niche subreddit to follow or go straight to the source. I don't know what experts or subject areas avoids the inevitable "now let's show how clever we are", "share our personal life incessantly", or "argue with some Internet idiot over something really dumb with 140 characters".

If one of those experts has something really interesting to say, it's not the Tweet, it's a blog post, it's a site, etc that will bubble up through other sources already curated and Twitter can be skipped. Again, it's very possible there are specific subjects where it's great, but personally have yet to find them. I've never seen a Tweet that had value by itself and the site adds nothing of value to my Internet experience. I hate it when people link to tweets because you wonder what can really be said in that medium which isn't just some witty retort.

Do people just consume the net differently?

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by Chathamization on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @05:12AM (#14137372)
It really depends on what you're looking for. For instance, twitter can be good for niche areas. There's no subreddit for local politics in most places; even places that have one don't have one that's very active (look at the NYC politics subreddit). But it's easy to follow a few local reporters, politicians, and activists on Twitter to get a sense of what's happening.

It's also quite useful for up to date information. If I'm trying to find updates about what's happening at an even - especially if I'm trying to find information from multiple sources - Twitter is often the best venue. If I'm trying to find a summary of what happened days later, yeah, a blog post or article would probably be better.

Of course, you can emulate some of the functionality of what Twitter does on other platforms. But the same can be said for most of the web. Blogs are a good example - I'd argue that it'd be much easier to use a personal web page from 1994 to emulate what a blog does than it would be to use a blog to emulate what Twitter does.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by colmvp on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:30AM (#14136495)
I think of Twitter as a personal subreddit where only people I care about submit the links or self.submissions.

Subreddits are fine but they are also sometimes fraught with a subreddit specific bias that might be seriously off-putting.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by ako on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:07AM (#14136619)
I see Twitter mostly as the backend to apps like flipboard. It will go through my Twitter timeline and determine what is worth reading.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by jpindar on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:55AM (#14136789)
To make the most out of Twitter, you do have to choose who to follow, and who to unfollow. Some people either don't understand that or can't be bothered.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by JustSomeNobody on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @08:35AM (#14138296)
Twitter is basically a customizable, interactive news ticker.

The market for news tickers isn't as large as it is for some other types of social networks. People need to move beyond user count.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by RodericDay on Monday April 17, 2017 @11:51PM (#14136333)
This is what I do and it's amazing. I enjoy Twitter far, far more than any other social network tbh.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by yabatopia on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:52AM (#14136575)
If you use it that way, great, but it's not really a social network, but rather a personalized news feed with comments. Which brings us back to the OP: Twitter doesn't feel very social,
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by lenkite on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:23AM (#14136675)
I agree. Twitter is just RSS on steroids. And you don't really need steroids.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by pvdebbe on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:38AM (#14136736)
It's like RSS on a sugar rush.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by dade_ on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @07:38AM (#14137978)
And once promoted content started bombarding me in Twitter, I went back to RSS. Unfortunately sites are dropping RSS, though most WordPress sites have an unpublicized feed.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by felideon on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @10:20AM (#14138999)
Twitter via Bitlbee solves this problem for me: https://wiki.bitlbee.org/HowtoTwitter
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by kalmari on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @08:26AM (#14138238)
i used to use rss for podcasts too but most just use dedicated services now they are a lot harder to find these days and im sure your right about the rest.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by jpindar on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @10:58AM (#14139331)
Why should all networks feel the same? A news feed where I can ask questions and get personal answers from real journalists, politicians etc. feels very social to me.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by RodericDay on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @07:43AM (#14138014)
How is it not? The vast, vast majority of the people on facebook (I have like 1.2k friends) don't seem to ever post anything except maybe a pic once in a while.

Likes are similar to retweets.

Seems like such an absurd distinction.

Twitter is also fast and snappy compared to obese FB. It's basically noble in comparison.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by kalmari on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @08:22AM (#14138211)
its even categorized that way in most app stores. its how i used it too never found a news source that was not on twitter either.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by cookiecaper on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:33AM (#14136507)
I've always disliked Twitter but it does fill a very useful niche. News and sentiment will always bubble up first on Twitter. I think the potential of Twitter as a real-time stream of world events is, to this point, really untapped.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by massysett on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @04:53AM (#14137319)
In other words it's a replacement for Google Reader. That's great but it will always be a niche product.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by criddell on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @08:16AM (#14138184)
A niche product that has revenue in the billions and hundreds of millions of users. That's not a bad niche. I think Twitter should embrace this and do as much as they can to serve their fans and stop chasing growth.

Hacker News is a niche product. Should it branch out into celebrity news to grow their audience?

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by DoofusOfDeath on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @09:29AM (#14138623)
You mean have stories by Chris Lattner and Linus???

Man, I would pay 10x as much for that!

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by at-fates-hands on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @10:46AM (#14139214)
To a degree, yes.

I use my main Twitter feed for development news and info sec stuff so the people I follow are pretty visible in those industries.

My news feed is done through feedly, which includes more mainstream news, celeb gossip, architecture and other random topics I'm interested in.

If I combined the two, I'd go nuts in a day trying to sort through it all. I've learned over time to curate my own feed and to never "cross the streams" if you know what I mean. It works well and instead of trying to filter thought so much cruft, I have specific apps for the topics I want to keep up on.

Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by NoGravitas on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @08:46AM (#14138345)
A much better way to curate your own newspaper is to use RSS. Just saying.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by steveklabnik on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @01:38PM (#14140965)
Which Twitter used to provide back in the day.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by narrowrail on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:41PM (#14140326)
I've been thinking about a read-only Twitter client that doesn't require an account at all would be appealing for the exact use-case you laid out. I don't want to Tweet or have followers.
Re:Why Twitter Is Failing to Grow by schnable on Tuesday April 18, 2017 @12:22PM (#14140114)
I use Facebook this way and to me it's much better at it than Twitter. You get the content with more context and easier to use discussion.