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Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by vosper on Saturday April 08, 2017 @04:39AM (#14065990)
Clearly you didn't read the article at all: they left used condoms, tissues, and empty bottles of wine all over the apartment. The owner had to clean it up, which was probably quite gross for him. That actually seems to be a big part of his complaint - he even says that if they hadn't made a mess he wouldn't have known what had happened, and would have probably accepted a repeat booking.

I agree with your points, but consider reading TFA at least.

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by bambax on Saturday April 08, 2017 @04:59AM (#14066054)
> they left used condoms, tissues, and empty bottles of wine all over the apartment

No. From the article:

> I found used condom wrappers under the bed, I found the bin was overflowing with tissues and condoms.

Not sure what "overflowing" means exactly in this context, but you can't read in the article that there were used condoms all over the apartment.

A condom wrapper is just a piece of clean plastic, very different from a used condom.

Also, what's the difference when people are having sex in your bed, whether they're married, friends, or engaged in pay-for-sex?

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by johnchristopher on Saturday April 08, 2017 @06:57AM (#14066345)
> Also, what's the difference when people are having sex in your bed, whether they're married, friends, or engaged in pay-for-sex?

In the grand scheme of things there isn't but I suppose the plaintiff worried about being criminally associated with unlawful behaviour.

People aren't machines, they have feelings and sometimes they project those on their belongings. I consider it normal to feel something upon learning you have been deceived by people not coming upfront about what they really were going to use your home for.

I believe this has nothing to do with one's stance on prostitution.

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by pharrlax on Saturday April 08, 2017 @07:28AM (#14066439)
>criminally associated with unlawful behaviour

This is a crime?

If a prostitute brings a john back to a hotel room, the police can arrest the hotel owner?

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by protomyth on Saturday April 08, 2017 @07:35AM (#14066458)
Hotels have legal protections, Airbnb frequently violates the rules and I wouldn't want to be the person caught in the middle when a local prosecutor wants to make that point.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by johnchristopher on Saturday April 08, 2017 @08:36AM (#14066614)
I don't know about UK laws but where I live you would be suspected of helping and being active in a prostitution ring.

But you are misquoting me a little bit.

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by foldr on Saturday April 08, 2017 @01:50PM (#14068052)
>I don't know about UK laws

Probably best not to comment then?

This thread is already full of people making the inaccurate assumption that prostitution is illegal in the UK.

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by johnchristopher on Saturday April 08, 2017 @02:11PM (#14068163)
> >I don't know about UK laws

> Probably best not to comment then?

Quite the contrary.

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by dragonwriter on Saturday April 08, 2017 @11:27AM (#14067369)
> This is a crime?

Yes, most places where either prostitution or brothel-keeping is a crime, the owner of a property used in it is potentially (mental state is an issue) committing a crime as well.

> If a prostitute brings a john back to a hotel room, the police can arrest the hotel owner?

In the US, Aside from that risk (which is real but attenuated by the low probability of a conviction because of the high criminal burden of proof) prostitution-related offenses are second only to drug-related offenses in the eagerness of law enforcement to use civil asset forfeiture against properties, including real property, used in the offense.

For a regular commercial hotel, law enforcement would probably just use the possibility of such action as one among many tools to get the owner to actively cooperate with law enforcement, and it probably wouldn't get to actual seizure in a normal case.

Whether similar technically noncriminal consequences associated with criminal activity apply to this situation (in the UK), I'm not sure, though I wouldn't be surprised.

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by DanieI on Saturday April 08, 2017 @02:55PM (#14068367)
There have been cases in the US where a hotel gets a bad reputation mostly because it's in a bad area and the police use civil asset forfeiture to take the property away from the owner.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by smsm42 on Saturday April 08, 2017 @10:14AM (#14067001)
I found the "overflowing" part a bit strange - either they had a particularly tiny bin, or that was a helluva party and they actually did a decent job cleaning it up then. Or the owner slightly exaggerated - which I find understandable, cleaning up those disgusting things is no fun. But doesn't Airbnb allow to charge for that? I'm pretty sure I've been charged cleanup fees even though I never left a mess in Airbnb apt.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by uranusjr on Saturday April 08, 2017 @03:22PM (#14068522)
AFAIK cleaning fees are upfront. I host on Airbnb and have never seen an option to charge extra for the mess left behind by guests.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by dazc on Saturday April 08, 2017 @04:58AM (#14066052)
"... he even says that if they hadn't made a mess he wouldn't have known what had happened, and would have probably accepted a repeat booking."

Seems odd that they wouldn't have made an effort to clean-up since having a good profile is more or less essential to being able to rent another airbnb appt?

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by chrischen on Saturday April 08, 2017 @09:20AM (#14066763)
Only if you are a host. A paying user can get pretty much anything even with no reviews.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by zeroer on Saturday April 08, 2017 @05:13AM (#14066093)
I rent hotels and leave "condoms, tissues, and empty bottles of wine" all the time. That's what the staff is paid to clean up.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by foepys on Saturday April 08, 2017 @05:47AM (#14066193)
> condoms, tissues

Why don't you throw them into the trash bin that every hotel room has?

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by Dylan16807 on Saturday April 08, 2017 @06:07AM (#14066233)
Where did you get that implication? The article talked about them being in/on the trash can, and zeroer made no implication they had done anything different.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by joombaga on Saturday April 08, 2017 @11:06AM (#14067250)
"zeroer"? I haven't heard that term.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by zeroer on Saturday April 08, 2017 @05:55PM (#14069273)
I've never heard of a joombaga, so we're even.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by joombaga on Saturday April 08, 2017 @08:36PM (#14069844)
Ha! My bad. I took it to mean something like "grand-parent commenter" and never checked your username.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by tqkxzugoaupvwqr on Saturday April 08, 2017 @11:15AM (#14067308)
It's the username of a parent comment.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by petre on Saturday April 08, 2017 @04:46AM (#14066019)
It's part of the trade when you run lodging spaces. Hotels also clean up after their customers.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by csydas on Saturday April 08, 2017 @06:43AM (#14066310)
Well, strictly speaking AirBnB is not a hotel. Likewise, you're supposed to abide by house rules. I have no idea what the author had set for their rental, but I have yet to see an AirBnB posting that didn't ask that you please keep the place tidy.

Given the enthusiastic response I got from my last host when my partner and I took the time to give the apartment a once-over when we left, I'm guessing that this is a persistent problem where guests just leave a place trashed. Some cleaning is obviously anticipated by the cleaning fees; you wash the linens, still give the place a good scrubbing between guests, etc., but I think it's fair to expect the guests to tidy up a little if you're upfront that this is part of the agreement on the listing.

Likewise, even hotels will charge for outrageous damage or messes to their properties. Security deposits in the US for even really cheap hotels are pretty common, usually requiring a credit card with a $100 charge that is cancelled/returned later.

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by mirekrusin on Saturday April 08, 2017 @06:52AM (#14066335)
Airbnb has deposit/protection. They should just charge professional cleaning if it was a mess, no?
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by csydas on Saturday April 08, 2017 @07:06AM (#14066366)
Some do - I'm not really sure why it's relevant though, if you agree with the host that you'll keep the place tidy, and you don't, you're in breach of your agreement. It's not just a matter of throw money at it since it can impact business, especially for popular destinations or high tourist times when the places are booked solid for a few months. Having to be out a few days can throw off the schedule, which is crappy for the next guest and crappy for the host.

It's not just about the initial money - really bad messes can affect more than just the host and cause problems you can't just solve with money. Too high of a deposit and no one will rent, but if someone's mess disrupts, then the deposit isn't enough to cover losses.

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by prostoalex on Saturday April 08, 2017 @10:38AM (#14067111)
AirBnB has a concept of a cleaning fee that can be set by the owner. A reasonable cleaning fee, however, significantly raises the price for short-term stays (while amortizing better for longer stays), which leaves the AirBnB hosts with two choices:

1) Hire a professional cleaner, set cleaning fee, lose some short-term customers.

2) Do not set the cleaning fee, expect to do cleaning yourself, complain loudly in public when this turns up to be the case.

Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by branchless on Saturday April 08, 2017 @08:55AM (#14066665)
But it's not a hotel. This is a dynamic entrepreneur, imaginearing to a better future. Rentiers don't do work like picking up things. They just collect the profits.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by whiddershins on Saturday April 08, 2017 @09:19AM (#14066761)
HN guidelines request that you do not imply a commenter has not read the original article.
Re:'My Airbnb flat was turned into a pop-up brothel' by criddell on Saturday April 08, 2017 @09:52AM (#14066892)
Are you insinuating that he didn't read the guidelines?