Re:How to take a screenshot
by davidw on Saturday June 05, 2010 @05:29AM
(#1406674)
Being a site for hackers, and given that Android's source code is available, this is actually a challenge rather than just another internet dick-waving contest, right?
Re:How to take a screenshot
by chops on Saturday June 05, 2010 @03:02AM
(#1406529)
Non-savvy users really get lost at how screenshots work.
I have a buddy who's a programmer at publishing house, specializing in niche magazines, and they deal regularly with non-savvy older users. He's got this story about one such customer who was complaining that something wasn't working on the website and when asked to send a screenshot he proceeded to:
1) Press PrintScreen
2) Paste it into Word
3) Print it out,
and finally,
4) Fax it to the company.
I thought that was kind of related, and rather humorous.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by thinkbohemian on Saturday June 05, 2010 @03:47AM
(#1406596)
I REGULARLY receive photos from cameras of someones computer screen when asked to supply a "screen shot". It was kinda funny the first few times...now its just sad.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by fforw on Saturday June 05, 2010 @06:13AM
(#1406712)
One time, my kernel was crapping out and endlessly printing stuff I couldn't read because it was scrolling WAY to fast and ctrl+s did not work either, so I photographed my screen to be able to read what the kernel was trying to tell me (hardware defect).
Re:How to take a screenshot
by duncanj on Saturday June 05, 2010 @10:50AM
(#1406917)
Once, we had an issue with a single board computer that seemed like a hardware issue so we called support, and they wanted the output of a logical analyzer. Unfortunately, we didn't have an interface for our old analyzer, and so we set up a webcam to show the analyzer screen to the support guy over NetMeeting. It was kind of funny, but worked great.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by ams6110 on Saturday June 05, 2010 @11:54AM
(#1406988)
The best one I saw, though not really a screenshot, was a photo on Craigslist... someone had used his cell phone to take a photo of a car he was selling, then used a web cam to take a photo of the cell phone screen, and then uploaded that.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by timcederman on Saturday June 05, 2010 @03:15AM
(#1406552)
I am surprised at how useful what a seemingly superfluous feature is on the iPhone. I often find myself grabbing screenshots of things and sending it to friends, Twitter and Facebook. My location on a map. An amusing article I just saw. An SMS conversation. It's not obvious, but once you know how to do it, it's very handy and I'm surprised it's so difficult with Android.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by eam on Saturday June 05, 2010 @03:51AM
(#1406599)
This is what I call a handy-dandy screenshot.
Often I find myself using it as a "cropping tool." For example, if I save some image from the web and I want to only save a certain part of the entire image, I just zoom into whatever area I want and take a screen shot and voila I have a cropped image. ;)
Re:How to take a screenshot
by awolf on Saturday June 05, 2010 @03:35AM
(#1406576)
I love screenshots from the iPad maps application imported into SketchBook or some other drawing app. Very useful for whipping up driving directions to forward to a friend.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by thwarted on Saturday June 05, 2010 @05:46AM
(#1406691)
Why wouldn't you just forward them a link to the driving directions page? You lose all the functionality of the awesome Internet we have in 2010 by sending someone a static map. Anyone who can receive that would be in front of a computer connected to the internet, or if they are on the go, would be on a smart phone with internet access so they could look it up themselves. Might as well just carry around a paper map.
Unless you want to be a doormat like that guy in the commercials whose friends call him to ask him for driving directions and movie show times because your phone lets you browse the web while you're in a call at the same time. Let your friends look up their own directions.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by hrabago on Saturday June 05, 2010 @08:35AM
(#1406799)
I typically send all three. I send the link for the driving directions, I send my own summary which makes sense to local people, and a screenshot of a map, with my scribbles on there. "There's this landmark, here's where you turn, this is Xyz Lane which you'll see on your left just before the street you turn into, so be ready when you see it, here's our house on the left. If you're coming from the south instead of west, this is where you'll be coming from." As far as I know, no one's ever gotten lost this way.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by sounddust on Saturday June 05, 2010 @08:33AM
(#1406797)
I can't speak for the others, but I have lots of friends who have phones with no data plans (probably 90% of my friends, in fact). I can't send links to their phones, but I can send them screenshots via MMS. It's come in handy on many occasions.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by drivebyacct on Saturday June 05, 2010 @11:34AM
(#1406965)
Except that there are hooks in the OS to share all of those things natively in a data format that is useful to other people with phones... I'd be annoyed as shit if someone with an iphone texted a god damn picture of where they were instead of a mobile link that would open my maps application to your location allowing me to navigate there, etc.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by aptimpropriety on Saturday June 05, 2010 @03:17AM
(#1406555)
Windows 7 actually comes installed with a Microsoft-developed 'Snipping Tool', which allows the user to drag a semi-transparent box (or free form, or windows size, or full screen) over whatever part of the screen the user so desires. You can annotate, paste, or save the image wherever you like!
Re:How to take a screenshot
by thinkbohemian on Saturday June 05, 2010 @03:44AM
(#1406589)
Sadly though it still pails in comparison with fastStone capture. It is impossible to take a screenshot of a menu such as file >> Save As with the windows 7 too because focus goes to the tool when you select it, where as in fastStone it does not...plus you can annotate, add drawings, and when you save it automatically timestamps the filename for you so you don't have to rename all your freaking files...
In the interest of fairness i take a HUGE number of screenshots (tech support) so the win 7 tool may be adequate for most, i still find it sub par ( also for a mac shift+ctrl+cmd+4 saves a snippet to your clipboard...better than the windows 7 equivalent IMHO shift+cmd+4 to save as a file to your desktop)
Re:How to take a screenshot
by three14 on Wednesday June 09, 2010 @06:49AM
(#1416689)
From the help for the Vista version of the Snipping Tool:
Can I capture a snip of a menu, such as a shortcut menu or the Start menu?
Yes. Here's how to do it:
Click to open Snipping Tool.
On the Snipping Tool toolbar, click the Minimize button, and then open the menu that you want to capture.
Press CTRL+PRINT SCREEN.
Select the type of snip you want, and then capture the menu.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by rimantas on Saturday June 05, 2010 @03:45AM
(#1406593)
Or you can use cmd+shift+4 instead of cmd+shift+3. This allows you to select a region on the screen or you can press
spacebar, mouse over the window you want to copy and press enter.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by andrewtj on Saturday June 05, 2010 @09:39AM
(#1406852)
As far as I know you're right. Depending on what you're doing, Automator or the command line screencapture tool combined with a shell script or QuickSilver might be worth looking at to speed up your workflow.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by vault_ on Saturday June 05, 2010 @12:42PM
(#1407062)
You can also hit 'space' after cmd+shift+4 to get a little camera icon that takes a screenshot of only the window you click on. It works for any window, the desktop, the menu bar, any menu, and interestingly enough: all of the icons sitting on your desktop independent of anything else.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by ntoshev on Saturday June 05, 2010 @06:10AM
(#1406708)
I did't know how to take a screenshot on the iPhone but this would be useful. So I searched for other iPhone tips I'm missing, and here is a pretty nice collection:
Re:How to take a screenshot
by hiroprot on Saturday June 05, 2010 @04:25AM
(#1406638)
I find it interesting that this is so easy on iPhone and so hard on Android.
For some reason, I think of taking screenshots as a poweruser feature (which might or might not be the case), and that Android would make it easy, while Apple wouldn't make it available to regular users.
I wonder what the thinking behind those decisions were. Did his Steveness demand the easy screenshot functionality to capture UI feedback on the go?
Re:How to take a screenshot
by jsz0 on Saturday June 05, 2010 @04:32AM
(#1406643)
It is interesting considering the limited number of physical button combinations on the iPhone. It was definitely more than an after-thought. They introduced the feature in iPhone OS 2.0 at the same the SDK was released so I'm guessing they intended it mostly for developers then realized it was pretty handy for all sorts of things.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by bradleyland on Saturday June 05, 2010 @11:37AM
(#1406970)
"that Android would make it easy, while Apple wouldn't make it available to regular users"
What would ever give you that impression? Before I went full-geek (I wasn't always this way), I considered myself a Windows power user. The first thing I ever published online (back in the nineties) was a short article titled "How To Be a Power User". It included what I thought was an exhaustive list of shortcuts that I used in my everyday computing life. I couldn't understand how other people got by using their mouse for everything. I once used my Windows PC for three weeks without a mouse, just so I could force myself to learn more keyboard shortcuts. I was in to it.
Fast forward 15 years and I'm a Mac convert. OS X contains a lot more "power user" features than most people would think. Your perception of a platform has a lot to do with familiarity, and I'd argue that the view summarized as "Apple doesn't make tools for power users" is wholly based in a lack of familiarity of their products.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by mbrubeck on Saturday June 05, 2010 @10:27AM
(#1406896)
It is a bit of a power user feature, but it's important to two groups of power users in particular: reviewers and developers. These are two groups that it pays to help.
Apple certainly doesn't make third-party developers its first priority, but they are decent at helping developers when it doesn't get in the way of Apple's desired user experience. One way they do this is by providing good developer tools and workflows.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by nailer on Saturday June 05, 2010 @07:30AM
(#1406762)
My prob with using a Mac for he last two years is instructions that use the alt and cmd keys (which are labelled on my MacBook keyboard as alt and cmd) as something else - one is called 'option', the other 'apple' but there is no key labelled either 'option' or 'apple' on the MacBook.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by culturestate on Saturday June 05, 2010 @10:13AM
(#1406884)
The option/apple keys are the alt key - until a couple years ago, there was no 'alt' and the option/apple key was called 'open apple option' by most people.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by duskwuff on Saturday June 05, 2010 @01:09PM
(#1407102)
Wait, what? That's completely wrong.
There are four modifiers on a Mac keyboard: command, option, control, and shift. (Fn isn't a real modifier, but it likes to hang out with them on laptop keyboards.)
Option is also sometimes labeled "alt".
Command usually has a four-leaf-clover symbol on it, and sometimes also has an Apple logo on it. You might also hear it called "open-Apple" by people who remember the Apple II, which had open-Apple and closed-Apple keys which mapped to the joystick buttons.
All four of these modifiers have been on all of Apple's keyboards for over 20 years. (Control, the newest one on the scene, appeared on the Apple Extended Keyboard in 1987.)
Re:How to take a screenshot
by sjs on Sunday June 06, 2010 @12:54AM
(#1408026)
I agree. Calling the command key apple is falling out of use though. Most people these days call it command or use the cloverleaf symbol, and it says command and has the cloverleaf symbol on it. People have started calling option alt and I'm not 100% sure why that's so, but they key says option and alt, so it shouldn't really be confusing (except that some people might think you hold Fn to make it alt instead of option, or something like that).
Re:How to take a screenshot
by sjs on Monday June 07, 2010 @01:44AM
(#1409955)
Oh, must be a recent change. I don't like that they removed the text on the arrow keys as well. They used to say page up/down and home/end since fn-left is home, fn-right end, fn-up page up and fn-down page down. That's not obvious to switchers from any other OS.
I get that they want to be all zen and remove unnecessary stuff but some of this stuff is necessary. Not good for users.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by khangtoh on Saturday June 05, 2010 @01:09PM
(#1407101)
You have to realize that the android platform is years behind the iPhone. Developing for the iPhone was a nightmare when the SDK was first released to developers. APIs that did not work as described. Talk to iPhone developers that went through that stage of the evolution and you'll know.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by orangecat on Saturday June 05, 2010 @01:10PM
(#1407105)
It isn't a big deal, but it's a fair shot at a silly limitation of Android. Of course it's noteworthy exactly because it's an exception to the usual pattern; compare using USB storage or Pandora on Android vs iPhone.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by studer on Saturday June 05, 2010 @04:29PM
(#1407398)
No idea what the Android team's rationale is, but from a security perspective, I'm pretty happy that random applications don't have access to things written to the screen by other applications.
Not sure why it's not an OS level built-in, though.
Re:How to take a screenshot
by crocowhile on Saturday June 05, 2010 @11:17AM
(#1406943)
I find lack of universal copy (as in copy and paste) more disturbing. I wish I was able to select and copy text in just any application, or at least in browser and mail!
Edit. Like this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1406553
I have a buddy who's a programmer at publishing house, specializing in niche magazines, and they deal regularly with non-savvy older users. He's got this story about one such customer who was complaining that something wasn't working on the website and when asked to send a screenshot he proceeded to:
1) Press PrintScreen 2) Paste it into Word 3) Print it out, and finally, 4) Fax it to the company.
I thought that was kind of related, and rather humorous.
"Cntl-PrintScr" is not an intuitive command to most people. Pressing the shutter button on a digital camera is.
Maybe this is a larger UI point than the author intended -- I'm not sure that the PC, Mac, or iPhone commands are the best way to solve the problem.
Often I find myself using it as a "cropping tool." For example, if I save some image from the web and I want to only save a certain part of the entire image, I just zoom into whatever area I want and take a screen shot and voila I have a cropped image. ;)
Unless you want to be a doormat like that guy in the commercials whose friends call him to ask him for driving directions and movie show times because your phone lets you browse the web while you're in a call at the same time. Let your friends look up their own directions.
/end campus rep plug
In the interest of fairness i take a HUGE number of screenshots (tech support) so the win 7 tool may be adequate for most, i still find it sub par ( also for a mac shift+ctrl+cmd+4 saves a snippet to your clipboard...better than the windows 7 equivalent IMHO shift+cmd+4 to save as a file to your desktop)
Can I capture a snip of a menu, such as a shortcut menu or the Start menu?
Yes. Here's how to do it: Click to open Snipping Tool. On the Snipping Tool toolbar, click the Minimize button, and then open the menu that you want to capture. Press CTRL+PRINT SCREEN. Select the type of snip you want, and then capture the menu.
I used to use an old japanese program called screencut that while useful was an abomination man. Snipping tool is so much nicer.
Link to script: http://thirderror.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/snipping-to... (if you're running Vista or 7 x64: Run, C:\Windows\Sysnative\SnippingTool.exe)
Gyazo (gyazo.com) is also very quick (automatically uploads the images for you).
Other than capturing windows and full screen shots, it would also be nice to have some KISS solution for doing selections, like in Mac OS X.
http://iphonetoolbox.com/news/ultimate-list-of-iphone-tips-a...
I can't do that on my Android phone without rooting it (at least, according to the screenshot apps in the market).
For some reason, I think of taking screenshots as a poweruser feature (which might or might not be the case), and that Android would make it easy, while Apple wouldn't make it available to regular users.
I wonder what the thinking behind those decisions were. Did his Steveness demand the easy screenshot functionality to capture UI feedback on the go?
What would ever give you that impression? Before I went full-geek (I wasn't always this way), I considered myself a Windows power user. The first thing I ever published online (back in the nineties) was a short article titled "How To Be a Power User". It included what I thought was an exhaustive list of shortcuts that I used in my everyday computing life. I couldn't understand how other people got by using their mouse for everything. I once used my Windows PC for three weeks without a mouse, just so I could force myself to learn more keyboard shortcuts. I was in to it.
Fast forward 15 years and I'm a Mac convert. OS X contains a lot more "power user" features than most people would think. Your perception of a platform has a lot to do with familiarity, and I'd argue that the view summarized as "Apple doesn't make tools for power users" is wholly based in a lack of familiarity of their products.
Apple certainly doesn't make third-party developers its first priority, but they are decent at helping developers when it doesn't get in the way of Apple's desired user experience. One way they do this is by providing good developer tools and workflows.
It lets you market Apple's product for free. Of course they are going to allow that.
Usually I use The Gimp for screenshots.
Anyway, this thing should be easy to fix for Android.
There are four modifiers on a Mac keyboard: command, option, control, and shift. (Fn isn't a real modifier, but it likes to hang out with them on laptop keyboards.)
Option is also sometimes labeled "alt".
Command usually has a four-leaf-clover symbol on it, and sometimes also has an Apple logo on it. You might also hear it called "open-Apple" by people who remember the Apple II, which had open-Apple and closed-Apple keys which mapped to the joystick buttons.
All four of these modifiers have been on all of Apple's keyboards for over 20 years. (Control, the newest one on the scene, appeared on the Apple Extended Keyboard in 1987.)
If the key is labelled alt, call it alt, if it wants to be called steve, then have the documentation refer to it as steve.
It's a keyboard. It shouldn't be this complex.
I get that they want to be all zen and remove unnecessary stuff but some of this stuff is necessary. Not good for users.
1) Root* your phone or install Froyo
2) Install ShootMe (http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-bw-picme-loc...)
*: If you're reading this thread, and you have an Android but it isn't rooted, you're doing it wrong...
if not, I suggest someone file it (I dont have Android.. yet).
[Edit: renamed to fan.]
Screenshot pimp: I use the non toolbar buttons in the options. It lets you select the area in the browser you want to capture.
Works in mac, too (but not sure about other linux distros)
Not sure why it's not an OS level built-in, though.
It's right under the "More" menu entry man, dunna how you didn't look there. Also, lmgtfy.