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Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by sfilargi on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @02:00PM (#14044114)
I don't think privacy and business mix. Personally, I have switched to uBlock Origin.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by Flammy on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @03:13PM (#14044710)
Agreed. If you haven't been following adblocking news in the last few years, Adblock Plus has been charging advertisers to get on a whitelist, as well as a few other less-than-ideal moves from a privacy perspective. There has also been issues with performance impact, which uBlock Origin seems to pretty consistently beat Adblock Plus on.

uBlock Origin is my recommendation as well.

Links:

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpa...

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin...

https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/ublock/

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by Rainymood on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @03:51PM (#14045011)
From a hustler perspective its genius. People install your add-on to block ads and then you SELL advertisers the right to get whitelisted. Genius move.

That being said, I also switched to uBlock and I owe Adblock plus nothing.

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by cat199 on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:19PM (#14045251)
protection rackets are not really a novel invention..
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by Flammy on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:07PM (#14045639)
Yup, and not new... In the tech space, that is what Yelp does (Pay $, suppress bad reviews). I'm sure there are other examples out there...
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by mifreewil on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:22PM (#14045742)
I don't think this is true. This may have happened in the past, but I don't think they do this, at least currently.

https://www.yelp.com/advertiser_faq

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by Flammy on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:33PM (#14045827)
It may no longer be happening. Googling "Yelp extortion" will get you plenty of news hits, but this may have caused them to change their practices.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by Throwaway23412 on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @06:20PM (#14046194)
It's actually extraordinary how many "Yelp extortion" claims I've seen without a single bit of proof. It's not at all difficult to record a telephone conversation with a Yelp representative.

I've seen some thoughts about this:

- Some of the businesses claiming "Yelp extortion" actually deserve their bad reviews.

- Some of the businesses claiming "Yelp extortion" posted fake positive reviews. Unbeknownst to them, Yelp bots automatically detected and removed the fake reviews. Later, after rejecting a call from a Yelp rep asking to advertise, the business owner decides to check their Yelp page and sees that their fake reviews are gone, incorrectly deducing that Yelp is extorting them.

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by dhimes on Thursday April 06, 2017 @08:16AM (#14049853)
It's not at all difficult to record a telephone conversation with a Yelp representative.

I was at Radio Shack just yesterday looking for a way to do this. They didn't have a solution. Also, it's illegal where I am unless I advertise it.

So if I were to get a call right now from somebody and needed to record it I'm not sure what to do. Any suggestions?

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by Throwaway23412 on Thursday April 06, 2017 @04:57PM (#14054531)
I personally use an app called TapeACall. You could also just put your call on loudspeaker and record it with another device.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by eli on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @06:43PM (#14046354)
Google "chemtrails" you get lots of hits too.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by nickysielicki on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:36PM (#14045382)
Most of the people who read HN are probably knowledgable enough to also find uMatrix very useful (from the same author): https://github.com/gorhill/uMatrix

In short, it allows for much more granular controls over what does and does-not load from any given domain. By default, it breaks a lot of websites. But with about 30 seconds of work, you will generate a policy for the domain, you hit save, and then that domain will be unbroken on every subsequent load. I find it useful as a noscript replacement.

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by tnorthcutt on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:31PM (#14045805)
+1. uMatrix is a bit of a pain the first few weeks, but once you get it configured for the sites you frequent, it's quite nice – and a nice side effect is that in general, pages load faster as you're not waiting on fifteen extra tracking scripts to load.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by M_Grey on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @07:01PM (#14046490)
uMatrix is just the perfect union of script controls and ad blocking, and honestly even without knowledge the point-and-click interface would probably be very forgiving.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by def_true_false on Thursday April 06, 2017 @05:40AM (#14049145)
> Adblock Plus has been charging advertisers to get on a whitelist

For anyone interested, more details here: https://adblockplus.org/about#monetization

TLDR: it's for "unintrusive" ads only and you only pay if being on the whitelist gives you >10M extra ad impressions/month

The whole acceptable ads thing has an opt-out checkbox in the extension.

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by spraak on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @07:48PM (#14046752)
I'd definitely prefer to use uBlock Origin for that reason, but Adblock Plus just seems to work better - I still see some ads using Origin, where with ABP I don't..
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by gorhill on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:21PM (#14046912)
> I still see some ads using Origin, where with ABP I don't

Given that both Adblock Plus and uBlock Origin ("uBO") uses EasyList to block ads, this is a dubious claim, requiring at least some evidences.

Now add to this that uBO supports filter syntax not available on ABP[1], this makes your claim even more dubious. Feel free to provide actual examples.

[1] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Static-filter-syntax#...

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by diesal11 on Thursday April 06, 2017 @12:12AM (#14047880)
It's not a dubious claim, just his personal experience. I switched to uBlock for a few years ago and had the opposite problem, it just seemed to break a few websites. I didn't really dig into it, but from memory it seemed to be blocking a lot of requests it shouldn't resulting in things like Facebook Messenger breaking. So it's interesting that you point out they both use EasyList.

Perhaps I'll give it another try, but honestly, i don't notice any adverts with ABP so i tend to forget it's even there. I definitely noticed when uBO was installed.

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by gorhill on Thursday April 06, 2017 @09:28AM (#14050284)
> It's not a dubious claim

The claim:

> still see some ads using Origin, where with ABP I don't

... is definitely dubious. I still have to see such vague claims to be substantiated, with actual examples of where this happens.

Once in a while someone will provide a URL in support, but it turns out upon investigation that ABP also suffers the issue. I can readily provide URLs where it's actually the opposite, uBO works where ABP does not. For instance, try:

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Internet

    http://kissanime.ru/Anime/Demi-chan-wa-Kataritai-Dub (click on an episode link, start the player)
I absolutely don't mind if people prefer ABP (or whatever else blocker) over uBO, but I will dispute vague baseless claims made about uBO. Surely one can prefer ABP without resorting to spreading misinformation.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by pcr0 on Thursday April 06, 2017 @01:08AM (#14048074)
That sounds quite atypical, I can't imagine UBO/UB causing problems with FB Messenger of all things.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by Markoff on Thursday April 06, 2017 @06:13PM (#14055156)
if someone is concerned about privacy they sure should not use Opera browser
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by losteric on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @03:11PM (#14044699)
Me either, but I'm curious to see where this goes.

Ads suck but they are the defacto revenue model for the contemporary internet. Micropayments struggle partially because of the network effect... websites don't integrate because there aren't enough customers, and there aren't enough customers because most websites don't offer micropayments!

ABP could help establish a sustainable micropayment model for the broader internet, and ultimately help increase privacy by addressing that root cause (revenue). Their customer base is significant and the value proposition of "micropayments vs nothing" is much more compelling than "micropayments vs ads". Imagine if Google adopted the same standard with Google Wallet, Youtube, and native Chrome/Android support...

That said, I will continue using uBlock Origin in the mean time. Much faster than ABP :)

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by elorant on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:50PM (#14045968)
Ads don't suck per se. I could find them useful if they were related with the content I'm currently viewing and not with a search I did a week ago. It's profiling that makes things suck big time, because it's intrusive.

+1 for uBlock Origin.

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by sfilargi on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:30PM (#14045336)
> Ads suck

I don't agree with this blanket statement. It is not ads that suck.

What sucks, for me, are ads that track me, ads that try to install malware, ads that are data and cpu hogs, ads that try to get my attention in anyway possible, ads that try to deceive me, etc..

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by freshhawk on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @05:03PM (#14045608)
> ads that try to deceive me

This is basically all ads, just a matter of degree. It's been a long time since ads where "Hello, I'm the spokesman, our product does X and Y, costs Z and I recommend it heartily".

Effective modern marketing is using a lot of psychology and statistics to tune the message to be as effective as possible without regard for facts (beyond what being caught obviously lying would cost you). It's all deception.

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by hashmymustache on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @08:19PM (#14046900)
The new disgraced Pepsi ad for example. It's all about brand perception, not product quality.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by Fezzik on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:44PM (#14045448)
Exactly. The Deck had great, non-intrusive adds. And they generally plugged good products. I clicked on just about everything I saw on Daring Fireball, both out of support for Gruber and because I was often introduced to new and interesting products. If done right, even an add agency can establish dedicated customers.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by rayiner on Thursday April 06, 2017 @01:04AM (#14048058)
I use uBlock Origin and find that more and more content is blocked. Which frankly I don't mind--most content online is a waste of time. Even stuff like NYT or WSJ isn't worth much more than the headline.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by cat199 on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:21PM (#14045266)
> Imagine if Google adopted the same standard with Google Wallet, Youtube, and native Chrome/Android support...

major industry players charging us all for per-youtube, etc. views of everything? hmm

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by jacques_chester on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @07:25PM (#14046618)
I developed a protocol for recording visits specifically designed to prevent publishers from piggybacking on it to identify users. Essentially, one less place for a supercookie.

However, it relies in part on a particular HTTP header, so from an information theoretic standpoint it will dramatically narrow the pool of candidates. Good enough for an individual who doesn't want to be profiled for advertising, not good enough for someone worried about advanced persistent threats.

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by a3n on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @03:57PM (#14045054)
You could say the same thing about Windows, especially now that they show ads (really?) in their product. Personally, I have switched to Linux (years ago).
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by M_Grey on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @02:55PM (#14044571)
Having run into this the other day: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14032410

I'm inclined to agree. Clearly we're not alone in that sentiment, if you check the responses to their ill-conceived Twitter poll.

Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by eli on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @06:42PM (#14046344)
I don't think privacy is the main motivation for most people installing ad block. I think HN is not representative of the market.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by swinglock on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:20PM (#14045260)
uBlock Origin is superior technology, there is no reason not to switch.
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by id122015 on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @04:58PM (#14045567)
When I replied "me too" to previous poster who mentioned ublock I got 4 downvotes. Unbelieveble..
Re:The company behind Adblock Plus is acquiring micropayment... by id122015 on Wednesday April 05, 2017 @02:14PM (#14044248)
+1 mee too.